Star Wars blu ray in September

[tgreco]

Not to mention that the story of apocalypse now was georges doing but he passed on making it to make star wars

um...no
not even close.

Apocalypse Now - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the only loose connection is Lucas was going to direct, but dropped out to do American Graffiti (that was 71) the film we know was released in 79

It was written by Francis Ford Coppola and John Milius, adapted from Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness

frankly, George is a hack, and his best ideas are borrowed...if not outright stolen

 

[darth_myeek]

Did Coke have a right to change the formula? Sure.

 

[robo3687]

um...no
not even close.

Apocalypse Now - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the only loose connection is Lucas was going to direct, but dropped out to do American Graffiti (that was 71) the film we know was released in 79

It was written by Francis Ford Coppola and John Milius, adapted from Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness

frankly, George is a hack, and his best ideas are borrowed...if not outright stolen

and thats where you're wrong...

George co-wrote the first draft of the apocalypse now script with John Millius and had shopped it around to various studios but they all turned it down because vietnam was too controversial. Eventually Columbia showed interest in it and wanted it to be Georges next movie after THX 1138.

Then columbia got cold feet and backed out leaving Apolocalypse sitting on the shelf for a while (they'd already scouted many filming locations for it). So instead George moved onto Star Wars and adapted several ideas he'd had for Apocalyspe Now into the fantasy realm for Star Wars.

George had put 4 years of pre-production work in on Apocalypse Now up till 1974 when he had to choose between doing it or Star Wars. He chose to do Star Wars first then he was going to make Apocalypse Now after it, but when Star Wars took off the way it did he went on to work on ESB instead and handed Apocalypse Now off to Francis.

I guess it just goes to show that wikipedia doesn't know everything....

EDIT: also....when has anyone ever come up with a truly original story idea in the last 100 years? there's hardly anything that i truly "original" these days

 

[tgreco]

and can you show me any documentation on that?
he developed it, which is to say he was going to film it in California with a 2 million dollar budget using real soldiers... one source says 1971, and left to do American Graffiti, and the other says he planned to do it after Star Wars

Writing credits as listed on imdb


Joseph Conrad (novel "Heart of Darkness") uncredited

John Milius (written by) and Francis Ford Coppola (written by)

Michael Herr (narration)

even the starwars wiki doesn't say squat about GL writing Apocolypse Now...
George Lucas - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki

so sorry, after the prequels, you'll never convince me that GL could produce anything that was as character driven as AN is

and John Millius wrote the script originally in 1969... titled The Psychedelic Soldier....and rewrote it with Francis Ford Coppolla so sorry, but still no

nowhere in GLs writing credits is Apocalypse Now even mentioned (not even "story by")

and here's Milus talking about writing AN... no mention of GL
YouTube - Screenwriter John Milius on Apocalypse Now

so you're going to have to have some pretty compelling evidence to convince me GL had anything to do with it. According to an interview on SW.com it claims it was originally his idea... and yet his name appears nowhere on it.

I know he has talked about Viet Nam influencing Star Wars and he worked with Coppola and was part of American Zeotrope... so I ask, was Apocalypse Now his idea? or did he just plan on doing a Viet Nam film... Coppola in the 70s was a powerhouse, and a character study film maker... GL then and now... not so much. And I submit, if GL had done AN, it would NEVER have been the movie it IS.


and with that I'll let you all get back on topic of the overhyped release of SW on BR that I won't be buying unless it's the original versions

 

[robo3687]

i got all that info from a book (yes a book...not user contrubted information sites like wiki or imdb), specifically "the making of star wars" by jw rinzler

The Making Of Star Wars

the book was put together entirely from interviews from the period (ie late 60's through to the late 70's) that were found in the lucasfilm archives

the early chapters go over what george was planning on doing before star wars and the things that led him to do star wars, in part his work on and development of apoclaypse now...

who knows why he's not credited maybe he figured after handing it over he'd let it be francis's film entirely...who knows maybe nothing of what george wrote (with millius) is in the final movie...I'm just saying he put 4 years worth of work in on it

i'd also say lets get back on topic but that ended a few pages ago when people started whinging about the SE and the prequels....lol

and remember kids, you can't believe everything you read on the internet....

 

[Zombie Killer]

But come on man , he read it on the internet and on top of that Wikipedia. It MUST be true. WTH is a book?

 

[DarkKnight]

well makes perfect sense now GL has gone psycho just like that fat guy in AN. I hope this set will have the unadulterated films, I'd love to see some bonus material on the special effects, maybe some kind of picture archives

 

[Weequay]

Should Picasso have painted only what his fans wanted?

Should Bob Dylan have stuck to folk music because his fans wanted it?

I'm not saying you've got to like the SE versions, but I don't understand people demanding George make changes because "the fans" want it.

It is what it is, and at the end of the day, it's George's universe to do with as he pleases.

First off, im not someone who believes that GL owes me something. He doesnt. He made a film, charged me to see it, and I either enjoyed it or did not. Simple.

What I think really annoyes people is how isolated GL seems to be from public perception. My guess is he has very little idea how disliked the SE editions are.

He has spent many years surrounding himself with people who will work his 'way', and that has had a seriously negative effect on the quality of his work.

I would love to know if when the SE's were produced, whether ANYONE, actually stood up and said ''er george, this really isnt very good''.

If so, I would also like to know whether that person still has a job.

Star wars is a funny old thing. If everyone who disliked the SE edition voted with their wallet, we would quite likely get what we really want.

When you combine the fact that anything GL releases sells + his highly sheltered understanding of public percetion, we will ony ever get the SE's

Oh well...wheres my wallet??...:lol

weequay

 

[defstartrooper]

Should Picasso have painted only what his fans wanted?

Should Bob Dylan have stuck to folk music because his fans wanted it?

I'm not saying you've got to like the SE versions, but I don't understand people demanding George make changes because "the fans" want it.

It is what it is, and at the end of the day, it's George's universe to do with as he pleases.

Actually i think what most fans would like is no changes, as in they want to see the film they saw in 77.

 

[jlee562]

Actually i think what most fans would like is no changes, as in they want to see the film they saw in 77.

To which my statement still applies. Why should George feel compelled to do anything the fans want just because the fans want it?

 

[Prop Collector]

Lucas has sad over and over that the SE versions ARE his original vision...

You respect that? :lol

There is no way you can ever convince me that Greedo was supposed to shoot first. That is not something that he had intended. It's all a load of BS.

 

[cboath]

There is no way you can ever convince me that Greedo was supposed to shoot first. That is not something that he had intended. It's all a load of BS.

I seem to remember someone having a sig line quote from Mike Verta saying something like: "Not only did Han shoot first, but he shot him in the balls!"

Seems appropos right about now

The only thing i'd like to see them do to ANH/E4/SW/Whatever you want to call it is to add an alderaan shot. If you going to blow a planet to smithereens and want to make people really free it, you've gotta see the planet before it goes. 30 seconds at the end of E3 doesn't cut it. I'd like and unaltered original release, too, but I don't think we'll ever see it.

 

[Elvis]

Well after the 3D versions come out in theaters... we should get the 3D blu-ray. Then in 2025 we are supposed to get the 4D holo rainbow-ray binnary loadlifter anniversary edition.

After that I'd day GL's great grandkids will be working on a final edition of the SW saga. Sometime in 2100. :angel

I'm looking forward to the scruffy nerfherder edition myself

 

[Mola Rob]

George owes the fans nothing really and I don't think anyone is really saying he does. All we are saying is at least give us the chance to choose which version we want to watch in glorious HD. Will it hurt his feelings if the original releases outsell the SE's?

 

[clancampbell]

Maybe this is nothing, but, when asked if Star Trek the motion Picture SE would be out on BD, we were told that, because the redos were only done in SD, they wouldn't be able to transfer the master to 1080p....i wonder if this is the case with the 2004 dvd redos, and we'll be obliged to see improved efects, different stuff etc.

Oh, and please stop moaning about Han and Greedo....

Rich

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

We should turn this into a "how many versions of SW do you own?" :lol

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

BTW, You can order 1-3, 4-6, or get the complete box set of 1-6 for $89 through Amazon so I just pre-ordered the whole box set.

I guess I have 9 months to save up and get a Bluray player and a 1080p flatscreen tv.

 

[JediG60racer]

if someone came and put a bunch of cgi blue monkeys into the wizard of oz to make the scene "more terrifying" and made the wicked witch splash dorothy with cgi water first (so as not to make her so cold-blooded), most would implode with outrage.

The ses exist. Fine. Love them all you want, but stop the godforsaken apologizing. To deny the original version of the film ever existed is pure cinematic heresy. I'm not boycotting -- i'm just refusing to buy a revisionist piece of **** made by a man who lost his creative marbles sometime around 1982.

best.
Rpf quote.
Ever.

 

[Jedi2016]

The thing that worries me the most about this is what they're going to look like. George has this odd idea of what a "perfect" movie looks like, and I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to destroy the films visually.

The biggest example I can think of is film grain. George seems to hate it, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had told Lowry Digital back in '04 to scrub ALL of the grain from the OT during the remaster. That process has a bad habit of also taking a lot of actual detail with it, so you end up with a very flat image that's not much of an improvement over the DVDs we already have.

Second, most of the studios have already learned that HD masters from a few years ago are no longer good enough for Blu-ray. They were mastered in HD, sure, but it was done for DVD. Now that they're actually releasing what's effectively the HD master itself, the flaws become much more apparent. There are already several releases where the studio has responded to customer complaints about image quality by going back and remastering films again so they can release a higher-quality Blu-ray.

George isn't going to do that. I have a feeling the remasters from seven years ago are "good enough" to his eyes, and they won't do anything else with them.

So what we're going to end up with is a crappy, soft transfer with poor color, no detail, rife with excessive DNR and edge enhancement, because George thinks it "looks better that way".

The only films that will actually look good visually will be AOTC and ROTS, because they were shot digitally to begin with, so those will be a straight digital-digital transfer with no remaster required.

 

[TheStig]

I'm getting the whole box set deal. Hopefully 4-6 will look good on my tv, at the very least I might have something new to complain about.