Star Wars blu ray in September

micdavis said:
See you are clueless about what really happens.

Do you even know what THX stands for?
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For Lucas? Sex.
What it most likely means? Tomlinson Holman's Experiment.

But why should that matter? I mean, look at this.

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THX
FOR SUPERIOR SOUND AND PICTURE QUALITY

It was once owned by Lucas Film, and that's exactly what they slapped onto their products. This is the standard that they built and later abandoned when the original unaltered versions were brought into question post 1997.
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at. They were at the time they were released in THX. The argument you're making is like saying a television marketed in 1990 that was said to have superior picture and sound quality was lying because other versions of televisions have been produced and marketed since.

It's not making sense in my head... but then again, I am sick right now.
 
darthgordon said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at. They were at the time they were released in THX. The argument you're making is like saying a television marketed in 1990 that was said to have superior picture and sound quality was lying because other versions of televisions have been produced and marketed since.
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Well, if that company's newer TV sets had less quality than the other TVs that were being released and yet they still label them as having "superior picture and sound", yeah. Not only were they obviously lying, but the reason behind it is worse. They no longer cared about the quality of their product that they wanted their fans and supporters to buy.
 
Jedi2016 said:
Yes. Yes they were.
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Incorrect. Look at the documentary "Empire of Dreams" and note how the original opening text scroll is presented in Anamorphic widescreen with no evidence of zoom ins or enlargements. Those unaltered DVDs were non-anamorphic. Now why is that?
 
Jedi2016 said:
By "those folks", Timmy, are you referring to the 0.1% that actually notice things like these changes, or the other 99.9% that will be buying it on day one regardless?

Boycott and complain all you want, it won't make a lick of difference. LFL won't miss your money.
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Is that honestly all you think about? That this is somehow about trying to keep money from Lucasfilm? I never claimed that I was trying to bring down "the man". It's not like this is a march on Skywalker ranch to demand justice. Not sure how you seem to have come to that conclusion if someone says they're not buying. Oh, wait, no I get it, you've got a little strawman there. That's so cute!

I'm not buying but I know equally well that this release is going to be a massive sale for Lucasfilm, I don't expect to "make a difference" whatever that means, just as I've said in the other thread for me, I've hit the SW wall after 30 years, and I'm done. I don't hate SW, I don't hate Lucas, I've just decided that there's nothing left for me with where the company is taking this property. I don't trust a word of what comes out of there anymore, but more importantly I've stoped caring. They obviously are giving a big "lap it up, fanboys!" to the lot of us with this release, just like with the last few releases, expectant that most people will continue to fork over their cash for anything with the SW logo on it (SW Toothbrushes? Seriously?) and I'm tired of it. Probably makes no sense to a guy wearing a jedi costume in his sig, of course you're going to buy whatever they put on the shelf, but eh, what the hell.

The time and energy spent on this package could have been dedicated to actually, you know, presenting a decent product, but no, they were more interested in painting more arms on R2. And yes, it's all trivial bullcrap not worth worrying about until you stop to think that the stuff which should have been fixed wasn't becuase they spent the time, money, and energy on this nonsense instead. I'll say that again. To me the bulk of the new changes are plain irrelevant. What they represent is crucial to understanding the priorities of that company. So no, I don't think I'm changing anything, I don't recall anyone saying "yeah, let's show Lucasfilm!". To put it so crudely as either you try to hurt their pocketbook or you buy the set is silly and your snide comments about not affect their bottom line is specious. I'm not tilting at windmills, I'm just saying **** it, I'll happily watch my exisiting copies with my boys, but I'm done with caring about anything they do from this point on because they obviously have a totally different idea of what's important than me.
 
Jedi2016 said:
Because they were encoded in a non-anamorphic ratio. I would have thought that was obvious.
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But why encode something in non-anamorphic widescreen when 99% of all widescreen movies released on DVD at the time (including the original Star Wars trilogy DVD release) were presented in anamorphic widescreen? Why would they purposefully downgrade the technical aspects? What possible benefit is there? I can at least answer that one.

NONE
 
Timmythekid said:
...I've stopped caring.
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When why, in the name of all that's holy, are you in this thread right now? No, don't answer that, I'll tell you why. It's because you do care.

You've had pages of rants on this subject so far, which is pretty impressive for someone who doesn't care about the release, but you haven't changed a single person's mind. You seem to need everyone to understand your position, when it simply doesn't matter to any of us. We don't care either.. about your opinion, that is. That's the whole thing with opinions.. unless someone specifically asks, we only care about our own.

Believe it or not, I'm an extremely tolerant man when it comes to other people's opinions. Where I draw the line is when people start pushing those opinions on me. That pisses me off to no end.

So no, I'm not trying to change your mind about this release. It's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. We're just tired of hearing about it over and over and over again, is all. I think we'd all be perfectly happy if you'd just shut up.
 
Jeyl said:
But why encode something in non-anamorphic widescreen when 99% of all widescreen movies released on DVD at the time (including the original Star Wars trilogy DVD release) were presented in anamorphic widescreen?
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Do you honestly not know the answer this one, after all this time?

They didn't downgrade anything. The laserdiscs were encoded at 4:3 non-anamorphic with letterbox widescreen. This same encode was dropped as-is onto the DVD. There has never been a higher-quality version of the original unaltered films. And *shocker* there probably never will be.

What you mention as visible in Empire of Dreams was not part of the laserdisc encode, and is not relevant to the conversation. Anything that was edited into the documentary was made anamorphic as a result of the encoding of the documentary itself. You don't honestly think they edit in anamorphic, do you? It's not made that way until the very last step.
 
Jedi2016 said:
There has never been a higher-quality version of the original unaltered films. And *shocker* there probably never will be.
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You really believe that Lucas deliberately destroyed all of the original unaltered versions of Star Wars? If that's the case, why is it that he kept the laserdisc copies lying around? And yes. Higher quality copies of the unaltered trilogy do exist. Haven't you been paying attention? And believe me, that is not the only one that exists.

thedigitalbits.com: In any case, neither the man himself nor senior Lucasfilm executives are willing to admit that they exist, because as Lucas has said many times in the past, "They no longer exist." So what we get are excuses and bogus claims: "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD." Right. Guess they didn't look too hard. Give us two days here at The Bits and we'll make some calls. We'll find you good quality source materials outside of the Lucasfilm Archives that could be presented in high quality on DVD... and in anamorphic widescreen too. All it takes is the money and the will to get it done right the first time.
 
No, a rant is a dip**** in a bathrobe saying "I'm a tolerant guy, but..." and proceeding to tell people just how wrong they all are because they don't agree with him. What I've said has been responses to snide questions posed directly to me. Someone asked how I knew what the release looked like when i stated that the video is no better than it was. I answered. Someone felt a need to take me to task because my hundred bucks does't matter in the grand scheme of things, and obviously I just didn't understand that. Did I ever say "you must not buy these!"? No, you asked and I explained. You want 'em, knock yourself out, you can spend your money however you like.

I keep posting here because you keep being a complete assclown, and stupid me, I keep coming back feeling a need to respond to that ass-clownery. But you know what, that's a never-ending circle. I'm heading back to the main part of this site to go build stuff and hopefully forget how ugly these two discussions got over space movies. Enjoy whatever Bon mot parting shot you take. ******, I come here to relax, not to listen to immutable, intractable jackasses scream at each other.
 
Jeyl said:
All it takes is the money and the will to get it done right the first time.[/i]
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Yet that STILL hasn't happened.

All the chest puffing, whining and complaining on the internet yet nobody's done it.

WHY?

Too busy whining on the internet.

GO organize something tangible.

When Star Trek got canceled year after year, we contacted Gene Roddenberry and lied to him about how many of us were out here watching, which in he in turn lied to the studio about and they believed us.

We got three years instead of one.

Do something useful.
 
Jeyl said:
For Lucas? Sex.
What it most likely means? Tomlinson Holman's Experiment.

But why should that matter? I mean, look at this.

attachment.php


THX
FOR SUPERIOR SOUND AND PICTURE QUALITY

It was once owned by Lucas Film, and that's exactly what they slapped onto their products. This is the standard that they built and later abandoned when the original unaltered versions were brought into question post 1997.
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THX is a standard for the equipment the video is mastered on, not the video itself.

If THX is on the case it means that the equipment used to make the video met a set of stringent minimum standards. If the person put in charge of it made a mess of it and the video looks awful it can still (providing a license fee is paid) use the logo.

It is also a marketers wet dream. It sounds impressive without really telling you anything.

You really believe that Lucas deliberately destroyed all of the original unaltered versions of Star Wars? If that's the case, why is it that he kept the laserdisc copies lying around? And yes. Higher quality copies of the unaltered trilogy do exist. Haven't you been paying attention? And believe me, that is not the only one that exists.
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That is a dye print. They are very dense so aren't really much use for scanning. As they don't fade they are an excellent colour reference. When a scan is made they use low contrast interpositives or the negative itself.
 
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