Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)
- Thread starter ghostryder
- Start date
Ask in the AHSOKA-BACKGROUND ITEMS & PROP ID thread. I asked for screenshots on their bokken & had pics posted pretty soon after.
It IS odd that they haven't been discussed that much. LOL
To be honest they looked like Galaxys edge sabers and looked kind of meh
Bloop
Sr Member
I have some thoughts, just skimmed through the last 8 pgs or so to try to get up to speed...
I'm halfway through ep 3. I feel like this show is too beholden to the CG animated shows. I only watched a handful of Clone Wars, never watched Rebels (maybe the 1st ep), so I feel like I'm missing any connection to the characters. I understand - if this is to be a direct follow-up to those shows, there's obviously some backstop I'm missing that would be hard to present in a new series without getting bogged down. But it still feels like there should've been more of an attempt to get new viewers up to speed.
I agree with some comments about the characters seemingly flat - the acting & writing both seem to blame. No offense, but it feels very much like a cartoon that has a younger intended audience. The story and dialog thus far ate rather basic and don't seem particularly compelling to me. I find myself comparing it to Andor, a series I very much enjoyed, which I felt had more "adult" themes - I don't mean sexual, but more complex political themes and relationships. I keep referring to Andor as "Star Wars for Adults," where they were able to elevate the Star Wars genre. Again, no offense to anyone that enjoys Ahsoka or hated Andor. Just my point of view.
To go along with that, I find the character designs uninspired, like they're trying to make these live action characters too cartoon like. The costumes in particular not only look rather "flat" in design, but some of them look like the construction is lacking. Comparing it to Andor again, the Andor costumes were intricate and reflected the characters better. Mon Mothma's costumes in Andor (as has been discussed here) were a reflection of her role as a diplomat and member of high-society-cultural-elites. To reiterate, her look had been "elevated" from the simplistic look of the OT. I believe George Lucas had said the OT costumes were intentionally simplistic basically so he wouldn't have to think about them, since he had so much else to worry about. The prequels changed that. Ahsoka's costumes seem to have regressed somewhat to that simplistic design.
I don't mean to equate "simplicity" to "bad." There's ways to make simple things well. Even the relatively simple Imperial uniforms in Andor were given a level of polish (imo). I think there were slight alterations to the original designs, and they also appeared to be very well tailored. Ahsoka's costumes look like they suffer from too little imagination in taking (intentionally) simplistic designs from an animated program and trying to replicate them in live-action. Same with the make-up. Maybe the problem is also because they are live-action designs based on an animated shows designs that were based on a decades-old live-action movie. Somethings get lost in translation. Like making a photocopy of a photocopy. Plus, as I mentioned before, the actual construction of the costumes looks a little iffy at times. It could be a budget issue as well.
I'm halfway through ep 3. I feel like this show is too beholden to the CG animated shows. I only watched a handful of Clone Wars, never watched Rebels (maybe the 1st ep), so I feel like I'm missing any connection to the characters. I understand - if this is to be a direct follow-up to those shows, there's obviously some backstop I'm missing that would be hard to present in a new series without getting bogged down. But it still feels like there should've been more of an attempt to get new viewers up to speed.
I agree with some comments about the characters seemingly flat - the acting & writing both seem to blame. No offense, but it feels very much like a cartoon that has a younger intended audience. The story and dialog thus far ate rather basic and don't seem particularly compelling to me. I find myself comparing it to Andor, a series I very much enjoyed, which I felt had more "adult" themes - I don't mean sexual, but more complex political themes and relationships. I keep referring to Andor as "Star Wars for Adults," where they were able to elevate the Star Wars genre. Again, no offense to anyone that enjoys Ahsoka or hated Andor. Just my point of view.
To go along with that, I find the character designs uninspired, like they're trying to make these live action characters too cartoon like. The costumes in particular not only look rather "flat" in design, but some of them look like the construction is lacking. Comparing it to Andor again, the Andor costumes were intricate and reflected the characters better. Mon Mothma's costumes in Andor (as has been discussed here) were a reflection of her role as a diplomat and member of high-society-cultural-elites. To reiterate, her look had been "elevated" from the simplistic look of the OT. I believe George Lucas had said the OT costumes were intentionally simplistic basically so he wouldn't have to think about them, since he had so much else to worry about. The prequels changed that. Ahsoka's costumes seem to have regressed somewhat to that simplistic design.
I don't mean to equate "simplicity" to "bad." There's ways to make simple things well. Even the relatively simple Imperial uniforms in Andor were given a level of polish (imo). I think there were slight alterations to the original designs, and they also appeared to be very well tailored. Ahsoka's costumes look like they suffer from too little imagination in taking (intentionally) simplistic designs from an animated program and trying to replicate them in live-action. Same with the make-up. Maybe the problem is also because they are live-action designs based on an animated shows designs that were based on a decades-old live-action movie. Somethings get lost in translation. Like making a photocopy of a photocopy. Plus, as I mentioned before, the actual construction of the costumes looks a little iffy at times. It could be a budget issue as well.
Last edited:
Exactly, holy moly. Chills.
All we are is dust in the wind - Marrock aka RamRock
Wow, with all the other nice design work they've done for this series, that Hayden / Anakin sure did look ROUGH. It's like they put a phone cartoon filter on Hayden's face.
But this is BIG for the Star Wars canon, because it means that we are bringing back Anakin, post Vader. Did anyone think this would happen? Wonder if they will try to redeem Anakin further.
I guess we COULD have seen it coming, because the Obi-Wan series brought back Qui-Gon pre ANH, and indicated that Qui-Gon instructed Obi-Wan while self exiled on Tatooine, waiting for Luke to grow up.
But this is BIG for the Star Wars canon, because it means that we are bringing back Anakin, post Vader. Did anyone think this would happen? Wonder if they will try to redeem Anakin further.
I guess we COULD have seen it coming, because the Obi-Wan series brought back Qui-Gon pre ANH, and indicated that Qui-Gon instructed Obi-Wan while self exiled on Tatooine, waiting for Luke to grow up.
Last edited:
I mean you could say he’s already come back as a voice in TROS but yea this is different. I’d think he would be him his ROTJ style spirit robes but eh. Will be interesting to see if he mentions what happened in ROTJ.
Anyone else think Ahsoka went a little dark side there when she thought Sabine was dead? That felt a bit vengeful what she did to Shin.
Also curious what Baylan meant about Ahsoka not keeping her word to Sabine, and how it lead to her family dying on Mandalore.
So given the map is gone, gonna guess Ahsoka either gets to the other galaxy by following the whales, or through the world between worlds.
Anyone else think Ahsoka went a little dark side there when she thought Sabine was dead? That felt a bit vengeful what she did to Shin.
Also curious what Baylan meant about Ahsoka not keeping her word to Sabine, and how it lead to her family dying on Mandalore.
So given the map is gone, gonna guess Ahsoka either gets to the other galaxy by following the whales, or through the world between worlds.
Last edited:
I think the push has been that Ahsoka is basically a Gray Jedi. So no, I wasn't surprised.
Exactly! Just defend your viewpoint. Or don't defend it. After reading a post of mine or anyone's, there should be one of three responses:
1. That was a good point (and move on)
2. That was a bad point (and move on)
3. Challenge my point (Like Riceball did)
As far as George saying it's for kids, I think it's one of those revisionist takes on Star Wars that he's had over the years that's been given far too much significance. I don't believe for a second that when he made Star Wars that he only intended it for children. Were the westerns, samurai films, and serials he based it on all intended for children as well? Maybe you could say Flash Gordon was. I'm sure he intended it to be for all ages. And even if it is for children, they appreciate good storytelling too.
I don't disagree totally. "Why continue consuming something you find distasteful?" For myself, I'm here for analytical purposes. I find it interesting to break down why I think one version of something works while the other doesn't. Interesting you bring up yelp because while reviews can be helpful, I do find the food reviews to be mostly obnoxious and Karen-like because independent restaurants can have bad days sometimes and it's not fair to judge them based on one experience. However, when it comes to the big chains (which I would equate Hollywood studios to) where the assembly line food is consistently good or bad, I think they're fair game.
Do some of us fans believe we have somewhat of an authoritative view on the franchises we've invested in? Well, I do think there is a standard by which movies/shows/games are held to. We're all going to differ on what criteria meets those standards but I don't think those standards are 'malleable' if you will. I don't think because one fan is cool with how a certain element is portrayed that it's automatically acceptable. And I don't think because one fan has a problem with a certain element that it's automatically unacceptable. But, both fans can't always be right. So, each fan makes their case and moves on. Do we get obnoxious about it? Well, if you come into the conversation with nothing more than "THIS SUCKS!!!", then yeah, it's pretty obnoxious. Speaking for myself, I hope I come into these threads with something insightful to say. Sure, I might take a cheeky jab here and there but it's nothing to get worked up over. I see this place (theRPF) as pretty laid back and I hope we don't take each others' posts as anything to fight over. Like I'm not butthurt over Lord Boron saying I'm "crying". Whatever, it's fine lol. But, that attitude is funny to me. Believe me, I've read the positive posts that others have made so far and I'm flabbergasted at the reasons why people like the show but I leave it at that. I don't think it's justifiable for me to reply to one of them and tell them all the ways they're wrong and call them cheerleaders or shills or they're too forgiving of the material. In other words, I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. But yeah, if I think something is terrible, I'll point it out and talk about it. That seems to bother people and I'm not sure why. I guess they feel like I'm spoiling their good time? Or being negative for the sake of it (which I can tell you I'm not). It is a discussion thread after all. No one should allow anything I say, or anyone else says, to ruin their enjoyment.
See, I don't agree with this. Whether it be fantasy OR Sci-Fi, once the rules of the world/universe are established, they have to be adhered to. While a lightsaber in our world is a fanciful thing, it's real in the Star Wars universe and as such, it has to have a consistent logic in how it works. That also goes for the force, spaceships, etc. If you're going to change an element of a world or universe in this case, you have to make sure it doesn't have contridictory implications for that universe. Take Star Trek 2009... Teleporters are just as fanciful as lightsabers. Scotty uses a teleporter to beam onto the Enterprise while it's moving at warp speed. As far as I'm aware, that concept has never been introduced in any other Star Trek media. The writers couldn't figure out how to get Kirk back onto the ship so they implemented a tactic that has HUGE implications for that universe. If you can beam onto a ship traveling at warp speed, can you also beam onto interstellar planets? You can because he explicitly states that you can. Or intergalactic planets maybe? Why is it never used again? Most beings would no longer need a starship to travel. But of course, making ships in Star Trek obsolete is not very "Star Treky".
A lot of people might not care about inconsistencies like this and as I said before, when they're minor, it might be workable. Some things though, are so impactful they retroactively contradict what came before.
Remember when Vader pulled down and tore apart that transport ship as it was taking off? Probably should have done that to the Falcon in ESB huh? It's implementing something "kewl" at the expense of the overall narrative.
Absolutely. But as you acknowledge later on, the characteristics of a lightsaber are different than that of a real-world sword...
The thing is, we have to establish just how powerful a lightsaber is, what kind of damage it can do, and stick to that standard.
A plasma sword that can cut through a passing starfighter, with only the strength of the wielder propelling it, as well as bracing it against the momentum of the fighter, has to have a serious amount of power in it. It must be emitting TONS of energy. We know this because if Ahsoka tried to cut that ship with a metal sword, it wouldn't have done a thing because obviously she couldn't possibly have the physical strength necessary to cut it with one. No one in Star Wars could. So, if a lightsaber can do that, it would surely be devastating to stab someone with it just by virtue of the intense heat it radiates.
I'm not asking for realism here. As Drinker said in his video, applying real-world physics to a lightsaber would mean it could possibly vaporize a person that was hit with it. I think we all agree we wouldn't want that to occur on-screen as it wouldn't be very cinematic. I don't even have a huge problem with being able to cut a ship's wing in half (Though that scene was poorly conceived and executed). But, a weapon that can do that should be deadly in a stabbing situation as well. Sabine should be dead. If your intent is to keep her alive, then have her receive a grazing wound instead. All these characters surviving what should be fatal blows not only diminishes the impact of lightsabers as other-worldly weapons, but it also removes tension because a lightsaber fight doesn't have to end in death anymore. That's my take anyway.
By the way, apologies for not responding to eveyone yesterday in a timely fashion. I got preoccupied.
Last edited:
nwjedidave
Sr Member
I think that was the ultimate Vega$ payout.
I'm not up on all my books/comics reading - DUST?!?!
nwjedidave
Sr Member
Rewatched
Green tint to the "dusting" and sounded like screams (Dathomir witches?)
I'm guessing that as well. I imagine that was not the last we see of Marrok, as I think he's some sort of physical construct.
Wolfsburg
Master Member
As usual, spoilers abound so beware...
I didn't comment on last week's episode mainly because it didn't really impact me much one way or the other nor did I have much to say about it. I wasn't the biggest fan of it but didn't feel compelled to say much.
This episode was much more interesting and feel like we're getting into some potentially juicy stuff.
I lol'd at Marrok's demise(?). Once again all the theories were seemingly just dead wrong, although it did raise the question of what the heck happened there. I suppose the inference is that he was just a suit of armor animated by Morgan's magic? Or was he some sort of summoned undead ghost? Wha? In any case, it would've been kinda neat if the helmet had flown off or he had been "decapitated" only for nothing to be there. Regardless, it was an unexpected "wtf..." moment and I kinda liked that. It also occurred to me that a shallow slice across the chest is more deadly than being impaled, even for whatever supernatural being he seemingly was supposed to be. Lol
Once again, Baylan is probably my favorite new character. So well acted and I really like the scenes with him, even though they did make it seem like he's just been standing around that henge wistfully staring out at the horizon for days. lol I liked his Vadery "deal with the devil" scene with Sabine. Was also surprised at how relatively easily he defeated Ahsoka.
Ahsoka's "death" was interesting although I still don't know how I feel about all this "world between worlds" stuff from Rebels. My inclination is that it's pretty cheesy although I'm undecided. I agree with the above that Hayden should've been in the RoTJ robes and the deaging seems a little heavy handed.
Watching this show, I still lament about how much better (in my book) it would've been if the major players had been our Big 3 characters. Ahsoka=Luke, Hera=Han, and Sabine=perhaps Leia? or some other new apprentice for Luke. Naturally Jacen would've been Han's son (per the EU). Speaking of, I really am puzzled how canon Jacen is a human/Twi-lek mix. He just looks human? I feel like lekku of some sort should've been present, even with that head of hair. Regardless, a reworking of this show seems like it would've been better fodder for the sequel movies than what we got. Maybe even throw in Palps if they wanted to do some sort of canon hybrid of Heir to the Empire and Dark Empire. Wouldn't have been such a stretch for Thrawn to be motivated to bring Palpatine back into play and actually succeed. Maybe Thrawn is seeking to find "Palpatine Prime", the true puppetmaster of his own clones seen in the PT and OT, in the Unknown Regions, like the fan theories had posited (as opposed to it just somehow being a resurrected Palps that somehow returned). Anyway, I digress...
I didn't comment on last week's episode mainly because it didn't really impact me much one way or the other nor did I have much to say about it. I wasn't the biggest fan of it but didn't feel compelled to say much.
This episode was much more interesting and feel like we're getting into some potentially juicy stuff.
I lol'd at Marrok's demise(?). Once again all the theories were seemingly just dead wrong, although it did raise the question of what the heck happened there. I suppose the inference is that he was just a suit of armor animated by Morgan's magic? Or was he some sort of summoned undead ghost? Wha? In any case, it would've been kinda neat if the helmet had flown off or he had been "decapitated" only for nothing to be there. Regardless, it was an unexpected "wtf..." moment and I kinda liked that. It also occurred to me that a shallow slice across the chest is more deadly than being impaled, even for whatever supernatural being he seemingly was supposed to be. Lol
Once again, Baylan is probably my favorite new character. So well acted and I really like the scenes with him, even though they did make it seem like he's just been standing around that henge wistfully staring out at the horizon for days. lol I liked his Vadery "deal with the devil" scene with Sabine. Was also surprised at how relatively easily he defeated Ahsoka.
Ahsoka's "death" was interesting although I still don't know how I feel about all this "world between worlds" stuff from Rebels. My inclination is that it's pretty cheesy although I'm undecided. I agree with the above that Hayden should've been in the RoTJ robes and the deaging seems a little heavy handed.
Watching this show, I still lament about how much better (in my book) it would've been if the major players had been our Big 3 characters. Ahsoka=Luke, Hera=Han, and Sabine=perhaps Leia? or some other new apprentice for Luke. Naturally Jacen would've been Han's son (per the EU). Speaking of, I really am puzzled how canon Jacen is a human/Twi-lek mix. He just looks human? I feel like lekku of some sort should've been present, even with that head of hair. Regardless, a reworking of this show seems like it would've been better fodder for the sequel movies than what we got. Maybe even throw in Palps if they wanted to do some sort of canon hybrid of Heir to the Empire and Dark Empire. Wouldn't have been such a stretch for Thrawn to be motivated to bring Palpatine back into play and actually succeed. Maybe Thrawn is seeking to find "Palpatine Prime", the true puppetmaster of his own clones seen in the PT and OT, in the Unknown Regions, like the fan theories had posited (as opposed to it just somehow being a resurrected Palps that somehow returned). Anyway, I digress...
Last edited:
Yes, this was like a live action version if when we saw a certain someone die in Clone Wars. This certain someone was imbued with magic from the witches of Dathomir, so it seems Marrok was the same.
It seems possible hes 8th brother resurrected now. He always looked very similar.
Similar threads
