JoMamma_Smurf
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What an absolute horrid show. The women characters act NOTHING like their animated characters. Hayden is the only thing that carried this crap because of member berries. Complete trash. Mauler nails this.
Star Wars Ahsoka (tv series)
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KRUGER88
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As a big Star Wars fan who grow up with the movies, books and games I dislike Ahsoka as a character because she dose not fit in the SW universe. She is very important character and done big impact in the SW, but however she is not mention in any of the original Star Wars movies. In fact if you watch the entire 9 movies for first time you will never know that she even exist! As we are talking about her TV show I am very disappointed! First of all again, if you never watched "Rebels" you will have no idea of who is Thrawn and Ezra, really bad presentation of characters and they had plenty of windows to fit time to do that, but they decided to not do.
Rawktrooper
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Personally, i dont think that is a problem. With billions of beings in this galaxy, having never mentioned one of them in the original 9 movies does not mean they dont exist or dont fit. I would rather that many characters were not just thrown in and mentioned all the time like some are for no reason other than to mention their name. You can still make a difference in a timeline and not have your name mentioned by a random group of people.
I dont mind the character of Ahsoka in general. I think she was much more effective as a child padawan or a runaway jedi in the late Clone Wars. Having to just create a new way for her to be involved after the purge is what drives me up the wall. Luke was told "the last of the Jedi will you be" and then he meets Ahsoka later? That is the problem that doesnt fit to me. Unless Yoda simply meant that there were no surviving jedi who had been through the trials and been labeled as Jedi Knights as per the council. Apparently there were random padawans who escaped in some way.. No jedi masters though? sure.. So who really knows. No one really dies in this galaxy. Except Mace.
I dont mind the character of Ahsoka in general. I think she was much more effective as a child padawan or a runaway jedi in the late Clone Wars. Having to just create a new way for her to be involved after the purge is what drives me up the wall. Luke was told "the last of the Jedi will you be" and then he meets Ahsoka later? That is the problem that doesnt fit to me. Unless Yoda simply meant that there were no surviving jedi who had been through the trials and been labeled as Jedi Knights as per the council. Apparently there were random padawans who escaped in some way.. No jedi masters though? sure.. So who really knows. No one really dies in this galaxy. Except Mace.
Rawktrooper
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sure she can say she isnt one.. but her whole life was training and its just a part of how she lives after that.. even in the mando series.. she is what she is. and how does a non-jedi use the underworld thing? and why does Anakin tell her to keep going? Its like learning a martial art and then saying she doesnt hold to what those teachers believed, but she still uses all the training in her daily life. She may not "be" a jedi in belief, but she is one in purpose and action. And then she takes a padawan in Sabine... what non-jedi does that? 
Jedi is a title. It's always capitalized. If she left the Jedi Order, she's not one. Anakin left the Order as well and joined the Sith. Is he a Jedi still?
The martial arts comparison doesn't apply, because "black belt" is a level of achievement, not a leadership role.
As for taking Padawans, so did Baylan Skoll. Is he a Jedi?
The martial arts comparison doesn't apply, because "black belt" is a level of achievement, not a leadership role.
As for taking Padawans, so did Baylan Skoll. Is he a Jedi?
Rawktrooper
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i guess thats the discussion.. is it, or is it not, Jedi to do those things associated with the training?.
Can you really unlearn what you learn your whole life? like Ahsoka lived from a child.. and she has the force.. and she still uses it. And her sabers too.
i dont equate Jedi with black belt, thats what knight, padawan, master indicate. Jedi applies to all those.. its more like Judo, Karate, Ninjutsu.. its more the style of the craft and not the rank of the learned.
So if you quit ninjutsu are you still considered ninja? I would think so. But then again, if you renounce the beliefs associated with it, then what? If you practice the training, or more rightly, the training is a part of how you live or operate, then are you still even though you clam not to be?
interesting direction. good thoughts.
Can you really unlearn what you learn your whole life? like Ahsoka lived from a child.. and she has the force.. and she still uses it. And her sabers too.
i dont equate Jedi with black belt, thats what knight, padawan, master indicate. Jedi applies to all those.. its more like Judo, Karate, Ninjutsu.. its more the style of the craft and not the rank of the learned.
So if you quit ninjutsu are you still considered ninja? I would think so. But then again, if you renounce the beliefs associated with it, then what? If you practice the training, or more rightly, the training is a part of how you live or operate, then are you still even though you clam not to be?
interesting direction. good thoughts.
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Rawktrooper
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You could even say there are two main paths of the force.. the Jedi and the Sith.. so which path did you learn?
Granted you could learn either and not practice the entire 100% of how a jedi practices.. or 100% how a sith practices.. but you have been taught one or the other. Was there anything in the middle anywhere? Some were considered Grey JEDI.. but were still Jedi. So when does the middle not equal one of the sides?
At some point you could say i am no longer Jedi. in the way they practice. but your influence comes from that. So if you stray from one or the other, does that mean you have gone to the other side? How different are they really? in terms or in practice? How far do you stray from one to end up at the other? or can you start at one and create your own in the middle somewhere? Apparently not so easy.
Yoda seemed to teach that if you left the Jedi, or rather gave into those things that made the sith at all, you would forever be dominated by the dark side. Could it have been a scare tactic? that is possible that he needed to scare Luke so he would not stray since he was apparently the last of the Jedi. So where does the truth lie? Good questions.
Granted you could learn either and not practice the entire 100% of how a jedi practices.. or 100% how a sith practices.. but you have been taught one or the other. Was there anything in the middle anywhere? Some were considered Grey JEDI.. but were still Jedi. So when does the middle not equal one of the sides?
At some point you could say i am no longer Jedi. in the way they practice. but your influence comes from that. So if you stray from one or the other, does that mean you have gone to the other side? How different are they really? in terms or in practice? How far do you stray from one to end up at the other? or can you start at one and create your own in the middle somewhere? Apparently not so easy.
Yoda seemed to teach that if you left the Jedi, or rather gave into those things that made the sith at all, you would forever be dominated by the dark side. Could it have been a scare tactic? that is possible that he needed to scare Luke so he would not stray since he was apparently the last of the Jedi. So where does the truth lie? Good questions.
Indeed, all good questions. Maybe even questions our protagonists themselves don't know the answers to or have perhaps decided to answer for themselves. And that's why I can accept her having a presence post-purge. It seems she was stranded for some time on Malachor during the Galactic Civil War, which explains why no one knows about her. Yoda's views on the Jedi Order could preclude him from reaching out to Ahsoka via the Force; at best, she might help, but she's more likely a wild card that could make things worse. At worst, she might join her former master (in Yoda's view). But we know more about her than Yoda does.
Joek3rr
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Eh, act like a Jedi, walk like a Jedi, talk like a Jedi. Your kinda a Jedi. Heck the trailers even called her a Jedi.
Riceball
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But that's almost certainly meant to simplify things for the trailer and the audience. There's not enough time in the trailer to say, "Ahsoka, former padawan of Anakin who was about the become a fully fledged Jedi but left the order before that could happen. Now she wanders around acting like a Jedi but without really being an actual Jedi.".
Say I went to some big martial arts school, and I trained and learned all the stuff to a pretty decent level. But before I reached the stage of being inducted, we got pissed at each other and I left. I never got the Big Martial Arts School belt that would make me a, I dunno, I'll make an acronym out of it, a BMAS.
I could not claim to be a BMAS, and would correct those who said I was one. Even if I had most of the BMAS skills and teachings.
I could not claim to be a BMAS, and would correct those who said I was one. Even if I had most of the BMAS skills and teachings.
Titles don't mean anything. The forces is the force, you either know how to use it or you don't. I think QuiQui understood that the best the way he acts in EP1.
Precisely. So when Yoda tells Luke he's the last Jedi, he means Luke is the last representative of the Jedi Order. He does NOT mean Luke is the last Force user, or even last semi-trained Force user. That's how you explain Ahsoka, Ezra, etc.
I guess on that technicality you could say Luke is the last Jedi but, thematically it undermines the drama that he's the last hope for the galaxy as well as the Jedi order. Why? Because we see Ahsoka is still very much in the fight; Jedi or not. While she may have shunned the title and the order, she's still living the life of a Jedi as a guardian of peace and justice or, more accurately in the time of Rebels, fighting to restore those ideals. For all intents and purposes, she's still a Jedi. If she had 'retired' and truly walked away, it would be consistent with Luke being the last one. As it stands, her and the other Jedi Knights that survived and were fighting in someway during the civil war only devalues the importance of Luke having to succeed as he's no longer the only hope left.
Better than nothing I guess lol.
"Force user" ≠ "Jedi"
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