Star Trek Voyager

Luke Skyvader

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So back in 98 we purchased our home.

We kept putting off the cable install mainly because of the hassle and after a couple of months we decided that we really weren't missing anything so we never got a hook-up.

One show I missed was Voyager. I watched it every Thursday(I think) but I missed out on the last season or so.

Lately I've been catching up with Netflix on my tablet & I wonder what I ever saw in the show.

One phrase that keeps rolling through my mind and makes me chuckle as I watch is:

"By Grabthar's hammer you shall be avenged!"
 
What?! Voyager was awesome! I still watch it when it gets rerun on Space channel. And I have all the seasons saved on my external hard drive.
 
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I too love Voyager. It does very well with Character bonding and development. It also does very well with the captain who has to make very hard decisions and such to try to keep the crew alive and the ship operational and such.
 
Voyager is one of my favorite all-time shows also. I only wish there had been a few more seasons!

Same here, I loved Voyager. I could never get into DS9, even though I ended up watching most of the Episodes. I never watched Enterprise until after it was cancelled and then found that I liked it.

What is funny is that I never watched TNG after the first hour of Encounter at Farpoint. I thought it was really stupid and of course the only real Star Trek was TOS. My mother got into Trek and started watching everything there was and it got me to start watching all of the TNG episodes and now I love it.
 
Only one I don't like is Voyager. Too much "mid-life crisis" kind of crap.

TOS & Next Gen are great. Enterprise & Animated are good. DS9 is okay. Voyager is just painful.

Has it's moments though.
 
I loved Voyager. Can't deny it had some really bad episodes in it and really hated the fact that they turned Species 8472 into a bunch of namby pambies in that Starfleet Academy mock up training ep' (can't remember it's name).

I also found Janeway quite hot at times. She has a really nice smile! :confused :$ :love
 
I think Tuvok was a big reason I enjoyed the show.
He actually acted like a logic driven Vulcan of old and was quick on the draw with the phasers.
 
I think Tuvok was a big reason I enjoyed the show.
He actually acted like a logic driven Vulcan of old and was quick on the draw with the phasers.

Until recently, I always thought the Tim Russ character in Generations was Tuvok until I realized he didn't have the ears. I had just assumed because Tuvok was on the Excelsior with Sulu in the flashback episode, he was playing the same character in Generations even though they were years apart.
 
When it comes to discussions about favorite series or franchises, my number one answer is always Star Trek. But I never leave the answer that simple because I always follow it up with "It's my favorite, but I hate half of it". Voyager represents a sizable chunk of Star Trek that I hate.

To compare a series like Voyager to my favorite series Deep Space Nine was made very simple thanks to SFDebris. 9 times out of 10, Deep Space Nine took risks. 9 times out of 10, Voyager did not. It's kind of funny when a show about a small science vessel being stranded light years away from home can become one of the most predictable Star Trek shows ever when compared to a show where stuff does actually happen even on a station that doesn't go anywhere.

And despite the fact that this series is the only Star Trek "thing" to have a female character as the head of the show, Janeway as a character comes out really hollow. While she does have her moments at being strong and capable, she is seriously close minded, runs the ship like a dictatorship with the Prime Directive as her absolute rulebook, and almost never comes up with a Plan B. Most disappointing is that she doesn't come off as the kind of person who took great pains to get to where she is now but more like a spoiled child who's daddy talked to a few people into letting her take command of her own ship when every single psychic test puts her in the red. Now that could have been an interesting concept in having a character so inexperienced and thrown into a situation where she must make choices that no one in Starfleet has ever made before, but that's not the case. Every decision she makes is treated as absolute even when it's gut wrenchingly stupid. Example.

There is a station that has the power to take them back home. This station also has the power to eliminate a particular race of beings that live in an underground environment. In the series, Janeway sees only two options. She can Destroy the station, saves the alien race and be stranded 75 years from home, or use the station, get everyone home but doom the entire species.

Funny story. Voyager is equipped with a couple of these things called TORPEDOES. These torpedoes can be programmed to detonate without being fired from the ship's launcher. And since Voyager is dealing with a space fairing race who can't find water even though Voyager runs into a dozen planets with water in the first season, it's not outside the realm of possibility that they won't be able to defuse the torpedoes. To make this even more insulting, you could place dozens if not ALL of their torpedoes around various sections of the station to go off at the same time, thus reducing the likely hood that the bad guys will find them let alone defuse all of them in time. Does she consider this plan? No. Is this important? Yes. I'll explain later.

And this is the pilot. The episode that introduces us to the show and it's characters. And the number one thing that I walked away with after the episode was done was the thought that Janeway screwed up royally, and she was darn proud of it.
 
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After the pilot, the show's writers were hoping the audience would think "Wow. Janeway gave up the chance to get her entire crew back home to save an entire species from being wiped out. I'm glad she did because that race was so special" Yeah, but when you take a look at this species, well, it's kind of embarrassing.

The Ocampa are a race of humanoids who live only nine years and are biologically doomed to extinction. Why? Because they can only mate once in a life time and it only results in one offspring. So unless the males can also reproduce (which is never mentioned or asked and would only maintain a zero population growth), every generation of the Ocampa population will be cut in half. Great save their Janeway. How long would it have taken to get back home? 75 years? They'll probably be long dead anyways.

And it's not like the Ocampa lead productive lives. They pretty much spend most of their lives underground watching movies of nothing but mountains and clouds while only eating Chile. That is it. And Janeway, who only knew them for less than a day, decided that they were more worthy of saving than her entire crew.

Now most of you are probably thinking "Jeyl, you cold blooded bugger. How can you come up with justifications on leaving an entire race to die?" To which I answer, I wouldn't. I would beam a crap ton of torpedoes on the station and time them to blow up after we use the stations power to get us back home. But let me digress. If you were ever put into a situation where you had to let an entire species die out of all the friendly species we've seen in Star Trek, there is no reason why the Ocampa shouldn't be close to if not the #1 species on that list. They are non-productive, are isolated underground, live only nine years, and are DOOMED TO EXTINCTION.

Janeway's decision to strand the crew is equivalent to saving your pet hamster over your girlfriend.
 
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I loved and still love Voyager and I have to say Janeway is my favourite, but I would say the writers didn't seem to know what direction to take her in at time. The addition of 7 of 9 saved the show in my opinion and gave Janeway's character something to work with.
 
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