greatwazoo42
Master Member
Oh and for those prepping an argument against this please keep in mind that left and right are relative terms to the observer so I'm reporting my observations here.
Enjoy.
Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)
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Oh and for those prepping an argument against this please keep in mind that left and right are relative terms to the observer so I'm reporting my observations here.
Enjoy.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Which again, set's the precident of an altered timeline, not a parallel universe. Spock Prime knows that the life he lived, will not be the life that his younger self will now live. All events have been changed and he remembers what had been for him, since he was the 'center of the storm' so to speak. Now that it has, and Vulcan has been destroyed, it is still HIS Vulcan as this is still his reality (Just changed by Nero's time messing).
It would be the same as if he had lived his life, got sucked back in time 129 years by accident, without Nero messing with the events of time. He would still be there, the next 129 years would still happen, but nothing would have changed from his life's memories unless he directly interfered.
The fact that Nero came back and changed everything means that the timeline has now changed, so again, this is his Vulcan, so he would be effected by all the lives lost and the never-will-be's now. For all we know, Tuvok will not be born to serve on Voyager, will never go undercover with the Maquis, Voyager may never get sucked into the Delta Quadrant, which means they will never meet Seven of Nine. Janeway from 25 years into her future will never go back defeat the Borg Queen, ending the Borg race.
Even so, by the time this timeline cathces up, Voyager will be 3500 feet long and 136 decks....
Oh, never mind!
Lol... All I'll add is "ya, pretty dumb". :lol
SSgt Burton
Sr Member
So? The whole point behind the "multi-verse" theory is that everything that "can" happen, "does" happen.
So there is a reality in which Nero arrives first, Spock second.
There is a reality in which Spock arrives first, Nero second.
One where Nero doesn't arrive in the same universe as Spock.
One where Spock doesn't arrive. And so on.
Again- why? "Everything" that can happen does happen in parallel realities.
If you believe the "one" timeline theory- fine. But there is nothing in the film that confirms this. That is the beauty of the "catch all" alternate reality theory. It could be looked at as being a lazy way to rewrite the entire history of Trek, or damn clever.
If you were to ask me what theory I believe, my answer would be: "Time travel is not possible." :lol
Kevin
Which JJ has said on numerous occasions "It's a brilliant script". And everyone wants him to be a part of every freaking IP in the known universe.
There's nothing in the film that denies it either. The only way for the multiple realities thing to be proven is if characters from the Nu universe travel to the Prime universe, or vice versa. One is missing a Romulus, the other is missing a Vulcan. That's pretty much the only way to do it, because if we just took character's words to heart, you'll end up believe that a person can evolve and that fish are amphibians.
SSgt Burton
Sr Member
What a brilliant way of debating...
"We've caught the killer."
"Huh? There's no evidence he did it."
"Well there's no evidence he didn't do it either!"
It's not the "only" way.
Scotty's Beaming theory.
Spock gives Scotty the Beaming equation that Spock says Scotty came up with himself.
Spock did not invent the theory and then give it to Scotty (thereby "changing history") he merely gave Scotty his "own" Beaming equation a little "ahead" of time.
If you believe the "one" timeline theory this becomes an "ontological paradox": The Beaming equation has no origin. Spock learns the equation because Scotty invented it- Scotty is able to invent it because Spock gave it to him.
However the multi-verse theory would explain that in an aletrnate timeline Scotty would have come up with the equation on his own without Spock's help (because in that universe Spock never travelled into the past). In this case the equation "has" an origin. In this reality Spock learns the equation from Scotty's teachings.
When Spock travels into the past he creates another parallel reality in which Scotty does not come up with the equation on his own by giving the theory to him.
So put simply- in the "alternate universe" Spock departed from, Scotty invents the Beaming equation. In "this" universe Spock "gives" Scotty the equation.
Kevin
To a person unfamiliar with Trek it very well may be. It did do well at the box office. I however am a big Trek fan so I respectfully disagree with JJ on this one.
Based on the backlash in numerous other threads I'd hardly say everyone. It does seem that many studios do though!
Yeah. This is what we call altering the course of history. That's what Spock did. That's been done in time travel stories before where time travel does affect a singular time line.
That's what I meant. When he gets involved with so many properties in so little time, it does feel like everyone wants him to do it. I'm still wondering when he's going to produce the Samurai Jack movie.
It's like that summer when Orlando bloom was in everything. Now I don't recall the last film I saw him in.
The thing is, an actor can do many different roles in a whole year. JJ Abrams is not an actor, but a writer, producer and director. THAT is a much bigger commitment than an actor. Unless he does something that makes the studios utterly despise him, he'll be in this for the long term.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
But I say that Spock Prime is in the past which is the Prime universe! One universe, which has been changed due to time travel!
So using the multiple universes and TNG First Contact movie, there is a universe that is still overrun by Borg. Picard and crew NEVER made it back to their (preset present) time! When they went back in time, they left theirs behind, so the 'universe' they left carried on as a Borg universe without the Enterprise E in it.
The future that that they went 'back' to was a New Universe that they created!
DS9, Sisko goes back in time 104 years, meets Kirk and Tribbles, goes back to a New Universe that he created!
Of course, none of those now happen as Nero and Spock went back and created Another New Universe.
I believe that there is only one universe, period, and it has changed due to the 'adjustments' made to it.
Except for the Mirror Universe with bearded Spock and a lesbian Kira...
To quote Miles O'Brien, "I HATE temporal mechanics!"
So using the multiple universes and TNG First Contact movie, there is a universe that is still overrun by Borg. Picard and crew NEVER made it back to their (preset present) time! When they went back in time, they left theirs behind, so the 'universe' they left carried on as a Borg universe without the Enterprise E in it.
The future that that they went 'back' to was a New Universe that they created!
DS9, Sisko goes back in time 104 years, meets Kirk and Tribbles, goes back to a New Universe that he created!
Of course, none of those now happen as Nero and Spock went back and created Another New Universe.
I believe that there is only one universe, period, and it has changed due to the 'adjustments' made to it.
Except for the Mirror Universe with bearded Spock and a lesbian Kira...
To quote Miles O'Brien, "I HATE temporal mechanics!"
No argument from me. JJ does have talent but my biggest worry is that he'll dilute himself to a point that he can't focus on one project and then all of them will suffer.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Well he turned Star Trek into Star Wars, and now that he has Star Wars too, we might get a Star Trek, Star Wars crossover movie. How cool would it be to have the Enterprise warp into a region of space and come across a Star Destroyer! We could see Kirk and Vader battle it out, and best of all.....
All of us 'Trek vrs Wars' nerds could finally hold a summit and sign a peace treaty!
All of us 'Trek vrs Wars' nerds could finally hold a summit and sign a peace treaty!
NO. No no no no no no no.
...
No.
From what I've seen there's already peace. I know I love both and most of my friends do as well. :thumbsup
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Riiiiight...I'll be watching Doctor Who, thanks.
Yet another love of mine... :thumbsup
I hear JJ Abrams is going to be taking it over next season! :lol
Riceball
Master Member
Too late, he's already done that, just go to IMDB and see how many eggs he has cooking this year and are planned for next year. LOST was a mess, Alcatraz turned out to be a flop, and Fringe, while a fan and Fox favorite, never got high ratings after its first couple of seasons, Super 8 was hardly a run away success, and let's not mention Cloverfield.
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