I am still of the opinion a straight up reboot would ave been the better choice. It old have eliminated this navel gazing argument about canon. It would be a take it our leave it proposition.
Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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I am still of the opinion a straight up reboot would ave been the better choice. It old have eliminated this navel gazing argument about canon. It would be a take it our leave it proposition.
Proper
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A little choppy, but I certainly stayed awake. Thanks!
It's not arrogance or douchy to expect better for what used to be a super-positive and in TOS's time a very original portrayal of humanity's journey to the stars nor is remaining silent about it.
Again, their up against the five year mission now right?
Is it more battles and beatdowns without anything that makes us ponder beyond our petty concerns today or is it to actually perform that bold mission statement? Because it wasn't just fictional mission statement, it challenged the writers to live up to it.
Trek inspired people once to make that optimistic portrayal of humanity's future real, because it was a better future open with possibilities.
It was optimistic, right? That was the big word so often used to describe Trek once.
Would it hurt Abrams to try to channel a little of that Roddenberry fire a third time out on that five year mission?
Time for some positive stuff here and some compelling content that stays with you years to come as TOS did, not just "look a tribble!" and call it Trek.
Which completely disregards all the Trek fans who cn watch the new movie and enjoy it and see all of it's accomplishments and potential. So if I like this film I clearly don't understand Gene's vision, have no grasp of Trek's ideals, have thrown all that out te window. Sounds pretty douchy to me.
What's funny is I sit here swatting those that would tell me I can't possibly understand old Trek if I like new while watching DS9 on Netfix...
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I was almost 1 when Trek premiered.
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I was almost 1 when Trek premiered.
Would you agree that this is the most violent Trek product yet?
The positive vision is what made it special and still does.
How rare are they? Very. Most future portrayals are horribly dismal visions of the future. Dystopian is the norm. Abrams
took Trek "Into Darkness". Like every damn other sci fi flick.
So the optimism isn't trapped in 1969 by any means, it's timeless and needed.
I need it.
Not necessarily to be honest. I think film Trek has had a lot of violence. Again this is film Trek we are discussing, a very different product then TV Trek. As such I think all film Trek has reflected the sensibilities if the time it was made as much as a slavish devotion to what had come before, especially on the small screen. As such new Trek doesn't register as excessively violent considering the modern summer action film construct. And I think all previous Trek films have similarly mimiced the construct of the time they were made.
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That's on you. The responsibility of the film maker is create a more egalitarian movie going experience for as many as possible, not just you. Fan sense of self entitlement, there's another discussion worth having.
Self entitlement? When I enjoyed most of the Trek products before?! I have expectations of a brand like anything.
Well I hope in a few years, times will change yet again and the next film's tone will have changed for the better.
And I have no illusions that a brand should remain stagnant. But I too hope you can find the joy you seek in future content.
And I have no illusions that a brand should remain stagnant. But I too hope you can find the joy you seek in future content.
And honestly, it sucks not being on the same page with you guys! LOL
I can tell you part of what this new Trek fun for me us seeing my friends who aren't fans becoming fans. And my wife like sit, that goes a long way.
SSgt Burton
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Cessna, while I do agree with the point you are making, I also believe that the utopian themes of Trek (best portrayed in my opinion by the TOS and TNG) is better suited for episodic television and not a summer block buster.
Look at Trek's "film" record- the optimistic future is downplayed. Every Trek film has had an element of impending danger or a clear cut villain. In fact the one film that comes closest to the theme of the Original Series of exploration into the unknown was Star Trek V !
Also please appreciate that this is coming from a long term Trek fan who started watching reruns in the 70s (and let me tell you... that M113 Salt Creature scared the ever loving bejeesus out of me as it wrapped its suction fingers around Kirk's face causing him to let out a scream in agony! )
Kevin
Look at Trek's "film" record- the optimistic future is downplayed. Every Trek film has had an element of impending danger or a clear cut villain. In fact the one film that comes closest to the theme of the Original Series of exploration into the unknown was Star Trek V !
Also please appreciate that this is coming from a long term Trek fan who started watching reruns in the 70s (and let me tell you... that M113 Salt Creature scared the ever loving bejeesus out of me as it wrapped its suction fingers around Kirk's face causing him to let out a scream in agony!
)Kevin
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Proper
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It never crossed my mind to weigh that. And it never will. Are you adding that to your list of JJ-negatives? Real life is violent. Some of my favorite movies are violent: Braveheart, Saving Private Ryan, Gladiator. The Enemy Within is Violent. Tom and Jerry is violent. Who cares? I don't.
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Cessna, while I do agree with the point you are making, I also believe that the utopian themes of Trek (best portrayed in my opinion by the TOS and TNG) is better suited for episodic television and not a summer block buster.
Look at Trek's "film" record- the optimistic future is downplayed. Every Trek film has had an element of impending danger or a clear cut villain. In fact the one film that comes closest to the theme of the Original Series of exploration into the unknown was Star Trek V !
Also please appreciate that this is coming from a long term Trek fan who started watching reruns in the 70s (and let me tell you... that M113 Salt Creature scared the ever loving bejeesus out of me as it wrapped its suction fingers around Kirk's face causing him to let out a scream in agony!
Kevin
That is where Trek does best I think where it was born on TV. I think of another time I was completely out of sync with many fans....
I was not a fan of Burton's 89 Batman because he killed people, and some other issues I had, but it was massively popular, "rebooted" the character and got people interested in a serious portrayal. And because of that it caused The Animated Series to come to be which was fantastic and even it's own theatrical movie in time.
I enjoy many movies that portray violence to a high degree, but I don't see people killing each other on the space station which is of course real life.
I don't think future generations are going to need to be so violent out there in the stars, should our species be fortunate to learn how to go there.
Mola Rob
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Trek has had its moments of violence in the past. The most violent part in a TV episode that I can think of is in the TNG episode conspiracy when Picard and Riker blow the guys head off. The Trek movies have had more violence on the whole. WOK had the Ceti Eel, First Contact had Picard gunning down the Borg with a tommy gun and Worf cutting off Borg limbs, Insurrection had the evil Admiral (yes it's been done before) getting his head split open with the face lift machine.
I don't think Into Darkness is any more violent it's just the way the violence is portrayed. The action and violence is typical super hero/action movie violence that has little impact because we see it in every blockbuster movie released nowadays. Which in my opinion is a problem, violence in a movie should have more of an emotional impact but that's not what Hollywood does these days.
RougeAvenger81
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Finally got to see it in 3D last night. My son and I really enjoyed it. Very cool movie and a lot head nods to the old films and OS.
Now, Kirks death scene had me choked up a bit. The thought of Kirk dying for the Enterprise the way he should. Once it was obvious that it was basically a mirror of WOK scene I was happy with it, but also kind of like, it's too early for some reason. Maybe because that was their second encounter with Khan. No big deal. Good acting in the scene, but I wish they would have done a little make up on Kirk, kind of like they did with Spock in WOK to kind of illustrate the radiation exposure. Minor complaint.
Over all I thought it was pretty well done and the addition of even more Star Trek lore made it even better for someone who grew up with watching the OS.
Now, my prediction or hopes for the next one is they have a cool Klingon villain. I like how evil and "warrior" like they made the Klingons look in this. Very cool.
Now, Kirks death scene had me choked up a bit. The thought of Kirk dying for the Enterprise the way he should. Once it was obvious that it was basically a mirror of WOK scene I was happy with it, but also kind of like, it's too early for some reason. Maybe because that was their second encounter with Khan. No big deal. Good acting in the scene, but I wish they would have done a little make up on Kirk, kind of like they did with Spock in WOK to kind of illustrate the radiation exposure. Minor complaint.
Over all I thought it was pretty well done and the addition of even more Star Trek lore made it even better for someone who grew up with watching the OS.
Now, my prediction or hopes for the next one is they have a cool Klingon villain. I like how evil and "warrior" like they made the Klingons look in this. Very cool.
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