Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

[SmilingOtter]

EXCLUSIVE: Harald Belker's STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS & OBLIVION Concept Art

Film Sketchr: Exclusive: Unseen STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS Klingon Ship Concept Art by Harald Belker

An intriguing design shift from the Klingon point of view. It says "If the humans can't tell which way our ship is facing, we can sneak up on them easier." (Translation: I have no idea of what that thing is supposed to be.)

 

[Proper]

E. A Star Trek fan I cannot understand.

Well, that's self-evident. Yet, there he is. So, without necessarily understanding him, how do you 'splain him? In your mind, that is. Don't wuss out on me now, be brave. Shirley, you must have an opinion:

a) Less of a true Star Trek fan.
b) Less Trek-intelligent and doesn't know it.
c) Less Trek-intelligent and knows it but doesn't care.
d) Just plain desperate for a good date-movie.

Would you like to use another lifeline and poll the audience?

 

[Mola Rob]

Well, that's self-evident. Yet, there he is. So, without necessarily understanding him, how do you 'splain him? In your mind, that is. Don't wuss out on me now, be brave. Shirley, you must have an opinion:

a) Less of a true Star Trek fan.
b) Less Trek-intelligent and doesn't know it.
c) Less Trek-intelligent and knows it but doesn't care.
d) Just plain desperate for a good date-movie.

Would you like to use another lifeline and poll the audience?

How about this:

e) Just a Star Trek fan who enjoyed the new movie.

I don't think that's so hard to understand. I am a life long Trek fan and I enjoyed the movie as a fun summer action movie I just don't see it as great Star Trek. What the hell is wrong with that? Whether you love it, hate it, or fall somewhere in between it doesn't make someone any less or any more a fan than anyone else.

There seems to be overreaction in this thread and the other STID thread from those who enjoyed the movie towards those that didn't or have some criticism in one area or another. It's not that big a deal people so stop personally attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you.

 

[Proper]

How about this:

There seems to be overreaction in this thread and the other STID thread from those who enjoyed the movie towards those that didn't or have some criticism in one area or another.

How about this:

And vice versa. Yes, indeed, there does seem to be an overreaction.

But let's be fair here. I'm addressing, reacting to and defending the same tired, over-the-top, personal attacks toward the movie and JJ Abrams. It's one thing to not like the movie, and another to vigorously invent allegations, to mis-characterize and to use epithets such as "brainless, lazy, stupid, etc, etc, etc." I'm speaking in general terms and not pointing out just any one post here.

 

[Mola Rob]

How about this:

And vice versa.

Let's be fair here. Personal attacks? I think not. Just addressing, reacting to and defending the over-the-top, personal attacks toward the movie and JJ Abrams. It's one thing to not like the movie, and another to vigorously invent allegations, to mis-characterize and to use epithets such as "brainless, lazy, stupid, etc, etc, etc." I'm speaking in general terms and not pointing out just any one post here.

On that we agree. As fans we have no idea what motivations led the creators to make a particular decision but I personally would not call them lazy, brainless, etc. They created a very fun movie that obviously took a lot of effort. Their interpretation of Trek doesn't sit well with some but that's no need to get personal.

 

[JD]

I saw it for the second time last night and still really enjoyed this movie. I've seen all the previous Trek movies with varying degrees of enjoyment. I think Abrams has the basics right even if some of the plot lines, characters and such don't line up exact - these are still popcorn movies made to be enjoyed by the masses.

The thing that caught my eye this time around was Kirk's death/Khan's blood. They've got 72 "supermen" frozen in sick bay, Bones makes the call to unfreeze one of them to put Kirk in cold storage - while telling Spock they need Khan alive. Why do they need Khan alive? They have 72 other people that they can draw blood from.

This and other flaws did not stop me loving the movie. I still don't like Pine as Kirk and the design of the Vengeance was just meh, way too Next Gen.

 

[CessnaDriver]

Well, that's self-evident. Yet, there he is. So, without necessarily understanding him, how do you 'splain him? In your mind, that is. Don't wuss out on me now, be brave. Shirley, you must have an opinion:

a) Less of a true Star Trek fan.
b) Less Trek-intelligent and doesn't know it.
c) Less Trek-intelligent and knows it but doesn't care.
d) Just plain desperate for a good date-movie.

Would you like to use another lifeline and poll the audience?

Answer was given. I don't understand the appeal of Abrams Trek to long term fans of Trek especially TOS, because I too am a long term fan of Trek and I find so much of what he has done with something I love repugnant.
Your trying to box me into answers that are insulting to other fans. I'm not doing that because I don't know why, I would expect
the anger that I feel. I can barely grasp people so accepting of throwing out forty five years of canon! much of which was thoughtful meaningful content. All that is supposed to be what Trek is right?
If you want an answer based on your choices, I'm sure they apply to some.


I am still willing to look at the next film... IF they get back to the core message and substance.

Though I am not betting on it.


They made people bored with Trek watch again, they have their version of "TOS Begins" and packed theaters.

Now deliver the substance with the five year mission!

Blow my mind Abrams or whoever takes over. Give me Sci Fi, Make me see things in new ways like good Trek always has.

 

[DARTH SABER]

loved the way Abrams knew there was going to be moaning about the Enterprise underwater and had Scottie deliver the line-- "a Starship under water!...do you know how ridiculous that is?!"

 

[Bryancd]

I just love we get to talk about STRA TREK in a contemporary, relevant manner, even if this Trek isn't your cup of tea.

 

[Proper]

I don't understand the appeal of Abrams Trek to long term fans of Trek especially TOS ...I find so much of what he has done with something I love repugnant.

I can barely grasp people so accepting of throwing out forty five years of canon! much of which was thoughtful meaningful content.

I am still willing to look at the next film... IF they get back to the core message and substance. Though I am not betting on it.

Now deliver the substance...

Really? In this post of yours alone your colorful descriptions and or insinuations of the Star Trek that Abrams was instrumental in creating include:

Repugnant
Thoughtless
Meaningless
Insubstantial
Lacking a core message
Throwing out 45 years of canon

And you don't understand why that's sounds over the top and insulting...

You have every right and left to express yourself in that way. Just don't act so shocked when someone says, "Wait a minute, pal, not so much chocolate pudding..."

 

[DARTH SABER]

throwing out forty years of canon?

didnt Abrams go out of his way to create an alternate reality to side step anything that would mess with the past forty years of canon?

 

[firesprite]

According to the writers, Khan wasn't the original plan:

Star Trek Into Darkness Villain Reveal Wasn't Planned | The Mary Sue

“The biggest addition was Benedict Cumberbatch,” said Orci. “In terms of his character, we wanted to make sure that the audience did not need any previous knowledge to understand him. So the big debate was: should he or shouldn’t he be Khan?” Kurtzman added, “Our challenge was to define a story that doesn’t rely on previous knowledge, or love of Khan or ‘Star Trek 2.’ We thought if we can do that, then we can think of using that great character Khan.”

That sounds a little strange to me, but here’s where the really interesting details come in – the writers already had a story, they shoehorned Khan in. “Once we had that standalone story, we wondered: are there details from Khan’s history that fit?” Orci told Yahoo, ”If we can use the details of Khan’s backstory given our structure to make the movie more specific and more relevant, then that works.”

Seems a bit... odd... to start out not knowing who your antagonist of the story is going to be, but it kind of explains a lot for me.

 

[DARTH SABER]

for those complaining about how the new trek is nothing like the old trek, keep in mind that when a tv show, with a smaller budget, makes a transition to the big screen, the eye candy or action or both has to be ramped up in order to justify a movie goer plunking down $11 to watch the film.
the isnt anything new and Wrath if Khan proved this....after TMP tried to be too cerebral with its second rate 2001: A Space Odyssey story.

if you think Abrams or the writers of the new trek franchise arent calable of capturing the formula of the old trek tv shows then i suggest you watch Fringe. one of the best sci fi shows ive ever seen, and in many ways reminds me of TOS. not just in the characters approah to a sci fi dilemma but the comradery of the characters themselves.

 

[Mola Rob]

loved the way Abrams knew there was going to be moaning about the Enterprise underwater and had Scottie deliver the line-- "a Starship under water!...do you know how ridiculous that is?!"

I wonder if the Enterprise submerged farther away from the village and moved to the location just off shore or if they turned all the lights off and did it at night? The village appeared to be less than a mile away and I'm sure the Enterprise makes a bit of noise using thrusters to maneuver around so chances are they would be heard at the very least. Why the heck didn't they just submerge a shuttle? They must have about ten thousand shuttles in that massive hanger deck.

Kirk really wasn't prepared for command if he came up with a plan that dumb.:lol

 

[SmilingOtter]

That makes sense:

Star Trek 2 (Khan)
x
Star Trek 6 (Elements of Star Fleet wanting war with the Klingons)
=
Star Trek 12

 

[Proper]

for those complaining about how the new trek is nothing like the old trek, keep in mind that when a tv show, with a smaller budget, makes a transition to the big screen, the eye candy or action or both has to be ramped up in order to justify a movie goer plunking down $11 to watch the film.
the isnt anything new and Wrath if Khan proved this....after TMP tried to be too cerebral with its second rate 2001: A Space Odyssey story.

if you think Abrams or the writers of the new trek franchise arent calable of capturing the formula of the old trek tv shows then i suggest you watch Fringe. one of the best sci fi shows ive ever seen, and in many ways reminds me of TOS. not just in the characters approah to a sci fi dilemma but the comradery of the characters themselves.

Exactly. I literally felt like nodding off during the most boring Star Trek sequence ever to me in TMP: the endless "up V-ger" scene.

 

[DARTH SABER]

I wonder if the Enterprise submerged farther away from the village and moved to the location just off shore or if they turned all the lights off and did it at night? The village appeared to be less than a mile away and I'm sure the Enterprise makes a bit of noise using thrusters to maneuver around so chances are they would be heard at the very least. Why the heck didn't they just submerge a shuttle? They must have about ten thousand shuttles in that massive hanger deck.

Kirk really wasn't prepared for command if he came up with a plan that dumb.:lol

the movie says they came in at night.

 

[MooCriket]

I could not agree more. I'm just happy Trek is still alive. Love or hate him JJ brought Trek back. There was enough in both films for me to enjoy. As mad as I was with the job Lucas did on the prequels, I don't know. I just surprisingly don't feel the same about JJ. Sure it's not exactly Trek, but it is entertaining, and it's pretty cool to see a different take on characters that I consider to be "old friends".

I just love we get to talk about STRA TREK in a contemporary, relevant manner, even if this Trek isn't your cup of tea.

 

[SmilingOtter]

I suppose the volcano might have drowned out the sound of the Enterprise entering the atmosphere.

 

[jlee562]

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Alex: We couldn't use Khan just as a gimmick, as an excuse to get fans into the theaters. Once we developed the story, suddenly the details of Khan's life became an even better way to tell it. Only when we decided that Khan really does fit here - and the fans know that Khan is to the series what The Joker is to "Batman" - that's when we decided we earned it.

(bold mine)

See? Exactly what I said.