Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

[Mola Rob]

All they really had to do was include something like one of these before the opening and it would have cleared things up...

 

[Bryancd]

Star Trek Into Darkness Honest Trailers

THOLIANS!

I have to be honest, I thought that would be better.

 

[Robinson]

or they could say:

nero altered the timeline and created an alterate.


oh wait, they did say it.

 

[Jeyl]

or they could say:

nero altered the timeline and created an alterate.


oh wait, they did say it.

This is no longer an issue regarding timelines. This is about Nero entering a completely different reality that would not have been like the original even if he didn't change things.

 

[Robinson]

but you dont know that.


there could have been a design breakthru 3 years after kirk was born on the kelvin that would make everything look simple and non funtional. Then you have the look of the original universe.

 

[Jeyl]

I have to be honest, I thought that would be better.

As the honest trailer stated, there's not a whole lot new to work with since STID and Trek09 are the same film.

 

[Jeyl]

but you dont know that.

I know Ricardo Montalban is not a caucasian englishman.

 

[Robinson]

but you guys werent talking about the ethnicity of the characters. They were talking about the designs of the ships and the look not falling in line with the prime universe.


and as far as i know the original khan wasnt a latin american.

 

[Zombie_61]

...and as far as i know the original khan wasnt a latin american.

Assuming you're referring to the actor who played Khan in the original series, it was Ricardo Montalban (who reprised the role in The Wrath of Khan).

However, if you're referring strictly to the character, you're right; Khan Noonien Singh was Indian (i.e., from India, not an American Indian).

 

[Robinson]

i know who played him.

My point was that if a latin guy could play someone with an indian name, then so could a caucasian englishman.

 

[Mola Rob]

but you dont know that.


there could have been a design breakthru 3 years after kirk was born on the kelvin that would make everything look simple and non funtional. Then you have the look of the original universe.

The destruction of the Kelvin altered starship designs, both exterior and interior, changed phaser, communicator, and tricorder design, changed the location where starships are built, caused Chekov to be born years earlier, caused shield technology to vanish, made Spock a player, made Scotty an irresponsible fool, and conveniently caused the original crew to be brought together seven or eight years earlier than they had before. That is one hell of an alteration and highly unbelievable.

They should have just skipped all the altered timeline crap and did a straight reboot like Bryan said awhile back.

 

[Jeyl]

My point was that if a latin guy could play someone with an indian name, then so could a caucasian englishman.

That just sounds weird. So if someone were to cast Tyler Perry to play the French native Jean-Luc Picard in the next incarnation of TNG, that'd be totally acceptable because the original actor who played Picard, Patrick Stewart, isn't french himself. At least Johnny Depp tried to convince movie-goers that he was part native american.

Robinson, I think you're missing the bigger picture here. The whole entire point of the original Khan's background was that he came from a nation that does not have an indigenous caucasian population. If they casted a caucasian actor for the role, they would have blatantly missed the point. And while Ricardo is not indian, he certainly delivers that foreign vibe and completely OWNS the role of Khan. Benedict does not.

 

[kialna]

That just sounds weird. So if someone were to cast Tyler Perry to play the French native Jean-Luc Picard in the next incarnation of TNG, that'd be totally acceptable because the original actor who played Picard, Patrick Stewart, isn't french himself. At least Johnny Depp tried to convince movie-goers that he was part native american.

Robinson, I think you're missing the bigger picture here. The whole entire point of the original Khan's background was that he came from a nation that does not have an indigenous caucasian population. If they casted a caucasian actor for the role, they would have blatantly missed the point. And while Ricardo is not indian, he certainly delivers that foreign vibe and completely OWNS the role of Khan. Benedict does not.

Considering that part, I posted a link that leads to a video that explains this entire 'problem'. So instead of just bashing, maybe just listen to wat JJ has to say about that for once. He knew people would notice and he even says that benedict was 'SO not the khan he knew'. He wasn't even the first one to be casted. In fact, Benedict tells how it went and he didn't even KNOW who he played before they started.

 

[Jeyl]

So instead of just bashing, maybe just listen to wat JJ has to say about that for once.

I've tried taking JJ at his word before and trust me, it doesn't amount to much. Unless you're speaking of a different JJ Abrams who didn't say things like how he declined to be involved with Star Wars early on because of his, and I quote "loyalty to Star Trek", or that there was "equal skin" in STID when it was really 1/3. While a man can certainly change his mind about doing Star Wars and have questionable ideas when it comes to equal gender representation, I don't think his word means all that much when the finished product is such a mess.

 

[Bryancd]

Robinson, I think you're missing the bigger picture here. The whole entire point of the original Khan's background was that he came from a nation that does not have an indigenous caucasian population. If they casted a caucasian actor for the role, they would have blatantly missed the point. And while Ricardo is not indian, he certainly delivers that foreign vibe and completely OWNS the role of Khan. Benedict does not.

What are you basing this on? That is pure conjecture.

 

[Jeyl]

What are you basing this on?

The fact that they casted a non-caucasian actor for a non-caucasian part. Or is there some speculation out there that believes Ricardo Montalban is actually caucasian?

 

[Bryancd]

The fact that they casted a non-caucasian actor for a non-caucasian part. Or is there some speculation out there that believes Ricardo Montalban is actually caucasian?

No, your contention that somehow there is a narrative meaning behind Khan being from a non-Caucasian nation. There is nothing in Space Seed or TWOK to suggest that has any bearing on his story. It' your "point" you are trying to make in the post I quoted.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

On a minor note, the word is cast, not casted.

They cast the actor to play the part...

The actor was cast into to role...

He was cast to play the part...


Every now and then the english major part of me must break through. :lol


And I still don't buy the alternate universe theory. In the movie Uhura and Spok talked about their destinys being changed by Nero coming back and changing the timeline. They never said he came form a alternate universe.

Spock Prime stated that he and Nero were sent back in time....not into an alternate universe.

I accept the alternate universe as nothing more than a fans reaction trying to placate himself that a make believe universe is still untouched by the events of a follow up make believe movie.

 

[Jeyl]

No, your contention that somehow there is a narrative meaning behind Khan being from a non-Caucasian nation. There is nothing in Space Seed or TWOK to suggest that has any bearing on his story.

Alright. Let me take a look.

MARLA: From the northern India area, I'd guess. Probably a Sikh. They were the most fantastic warriors.

*Khan sees a rough painting of a man in a Turban*
KHAN: I am honoured. Thank you. But I caution you. Such men dare take what they want.

KIRK: Name, Khan Noonien Singh.
SPOCK: From 1992 through 1996, absolute ruler of more than a quarter of your world. From Asia through the Middle East.

Are you sure there's "nothing" to suggest that Khan is from a non-Caucasian nation?

 

[Bryancd]

No, he is but you are suggesting that is an integral part of his story. That there is some "point" to him being from a non-Caucasian nation that is integral to his character that us somehow lost by him being portrayed by a Brit. Your simply making that crap up.