Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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NakedMoleRat
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I got it! Just sort of went off track after thinking about it. On the one hand, in the 23rd century one would simply beam cat poo into space, on the other hand cleaning the cat box could be a reference to Kirk and his two young lady friends from the beginning of the film.
No one has commented on the JJ Enterprise D either!
Kerr Avon
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It was absolutely a reference to the two feline ladies Kirk had in bed at the beginning.
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You mean the Enterprise DD?
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You mean the Enterprise DD?
I have seen at least one picture where someone is making a model of it by taking a TOS version and using a pair of hair driers for the warp nacelles.
NakedMoleRat
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In, depending on price...
No, but he's in love with Shania Twain. :lol
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
That is at least manageable!
fifthchamber
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Having just seen it (just released here in Japan)... I have to say I loved it... Not classic Trek by any margin, but that was never in debate. The new movies aren't those....And I am more than happy to watch both and enjoy both for different reasons..
The homages thrown into Into Darkness were cool, and added a fair bit to the movie, and the movie itself matches what I'd expect in the 21st century....A new vision, and a different take on it, but interesting and fun, and emotional for that...Even more so since the connections to the older movies are fun to catch and spot too....
I bloody loved it......No, it wasn't the classical Star Trek....But it was a great movie, and although I'm still annoyed I had to wait 5 months until I could comment on it, I am very happy to have seen it....
Very good movie in my opinion.....
The homages thrown into Into Darkness were cool, and added a fair bit to the movie, and the movie itself matches what I'd expect in the 21st century....A new vision, and a different take on it, but interesting and fun, and emotional for that...Even more so since the connections to the older movies are fun to catch and spot too....
I bloody loved it......No, it wasn't the classical Star Trek....But it was a great movie, and although I'm still annoyed I had to wait 5 months until I could comment on it, I am very happy to have seen it....
Very good movie in my opinion.....
kialna
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Well, it seems Khan's backstory is explained in this comic series.\
Star Trek: Khan #1 (Subscription Variant) @ ForbiddenPlanet.com
Star Trek: Khan #1 (Subscription Variant) @ ForbiddenPlanet.com
Remember how Nero needed not one, but TWO WHOLE SEPARATE COMIC RUNS (Star Trek Countdown, Star Trek Nero) just to understand out what the heck was going on with his character?
But I'm glad STID cemented the fact that this is a totally different reality from the Prime Universe in that things were much different even before the Narada screwed things up.
Mola Rob
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I thought it was abundantly clear in the first JJ Trek that it wasn't the Prime Universe to begin with. The problem is, according to the story it was supposed to be the Prime Universe and events were altered by Nero's incursion. Yeah right...it reminds me of a line from The Outlaw Josey Wales, "Don't **** down my back and try to tell me its raining."
Update for censored word - Just insert pee pee where you see ****. :lol
Solo4114
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I think he means it's a problem because it's not clear whether this is a rebooted Prime Universe, or whether this is an alternate universe, or what. Like, did the Prime Universe get erased because of the time travel, or does it still exist and the JJ-verse is something different?
I mean, functionally, I think this only really matters if you harbor some hope that the "Prime" universe will return in a way that ignores or sidesteps the JJ-verse. And I don't see that happening any time soon. For that matter, even if they say that's the case now, you can always make the argument later (and someone will, if they decide to return to the "prime" universe and ignore JJ years from now) that the JJ-verse was always an alternate reality.
Mola Rob
Sr Member
Because it was supposed to be the Prime Universe to start off with in the beginning of Trek 09. If they had come right out and said "This universe has no connection to the Trek you have known all these years" I would have been fine with that but they decided to pee on us and tell us it was rain dammit!
It was just a lazy and insulting way to hit the reset button. No big deal I just prefer honesty over total BS. :lol
jlee562
Sr Member
Well, now you're contradicting yourself:
So, was it, or was it not clear at the beginning that it was supposed to be an alternate universe?
Let's be clear about what the films show though. The beginning of the film in ST09 is the point where Nero intrudes and, to borrow Doc Brown's language, skews off into an alternate Trek universe. Although this isn't necessarily made immediately clear by the film, this ambiguity is in service to the story.
The film does make it abundantly clear that it is an alternate universe. They use it in dialogue. Young Spock has that line about "whatever our lives might have been....."
That's not peeing on your leg and telling you it's raining, that's bashing you over the head with "THIS IS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!!!!!"
I never watched the oldies but I thought it was quite clear. Thing is. For someone who has watched the older films. Its as easy as 2 and 2 to work out . Films dont have a lot of time to explain things that are pretty obvious.... they have to concentrate on the story. And if u haven't watched the old ones and dont get it even though its explained. . then why would you care if it was alternate. As you never knew the original one.
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