Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

[Kerr Avon]

Kirk is less a womanizer and more of a romantic - about everything - his passions were contagious which is why his crew is so damn loyal. Orci and Kurtzman pen these films like fanfic ( and I've read better fanfic).---

Plus the REAL Kirk was an intelligent, educated man. He could quote philosophers, make parallels in history, strategize.

This Kirk? He's a punk who's every action is based on 'instinct' which sorry, is just not enough when you have the lives of hundreds of crew members in the balance, not to mention worlds. I doubt he's ever picked up a book.

 

[SSgt Burton]

I doubt he's ever picked up a book.

"Star Trek" Bar Scene-

Kirk: "So, you're a cadet, you're studying. What's your focus?"

Uhura: "Xenolinguistics, you have no idea what that means."

Kirk: "The study of alien languages. Morphology, phonology, syntax."



Sounds educated to me. :rolleyes


Kevin

 

[Probe Droid]

No, seriously how? Because it has one character with the same name as the antagonist in WOK? Or because they flipped the "save the ship, die in the process" sequence? Oh and someone screams KHAAAAAAAAAN?

Same baddie, same scenes, and identical dialog (there's more than just the KHAAAAAAAAAN) simply lifted from the previous script. Shame on these guys. Show us something new.

This Kirk? He's a punk who's every action is based on 'instinct' which sorry, is just not enough when you have the lives of hundreds of crew members in the balance, not to mention worlds. I doubt he's ever picked up a book.

Agreed. And, come on, this huckleberry who thinks with his fists and his tackle is the one tapped to be the first to meet new civilizations? Nope.

 

[Jeyl]

Sounds educated to me. :rolleyes

Student: You know nothing of Evolution.
Teacher: I know that evolution is a very long, complex form of adaptation that a species goes through based on their environment.

There. Not only did I just make someone sound educated, I actually made this conversation more plausible since a teacher is more likely to know about evolution than a farm boy who doesn't give a crap about Starfleet or aliens knowing about xenolinguistics.

 

[rodneyfaile]

After the bar fight in the first one, Pike made the comment that Kirk's aptitude test were "off the charts."

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Okay, to my surprise, my wife wanted to go see this movie, so we did over the weekend. As far as it goes.....

Well, it was a good popcorn flick, plenty of action and fisticuffs.

It was a poorly constructed script. It was forced and contrived (As so many have said) I think Paul summed up pretty well what was wrong with the story, no need to write it all out again.

I wasn't a bad 'movie', but it was a very poor script. So many things done just to prove that it is Trek. The only thing truly re-booted about this 'alternate timeline' Trek is that Spock is emotional. Will cry, be in love, have expression clearly on his face.

I would have rather NOT had Nero and old Spock in the first movie. Just start telling new stories from the beginning and be on with it....

 

[NakedMoleRat]

"Star Trek" Bar Scene-

Kirk: "So, you're a cadet, you're studying. What's your focus?"

Uhura: "Xenolinguistics, you have no idea what that means."

Kirk: "The study of alien languages. Morphology, phonology, syntax."



Sounds educated to me. :rolleyes


Kevin

I can tell you that the study of geology is about rocks, rock masses, the impact of minerals in soild and rock, the shifting land mass and effect it had on continental drft, the impact of erosion to the environment, etc.

Doesn't mean I understand any of it, or would have the slightest clue what to do if ever I was asked to form a concise opionion about it.

But I do "know" what it is about......

No one on this board would ever argue I was educated because of it......

Just saying......

 

[Bryancd]

Arguments trying to portray this film as a failure just aren't borne out by it's 92% Rotten Tomatoes audience rating and it's current box office. It just crossed $200m domestic and $376m Worldwide. The '09 film did $385 total gross, it was stronger in the US but Into Darkness is doing better internationally. This is Trek, it's not and never will be a mega franchise but this film is an unqualified success.

 

[Riceball]

Except if JJ does another one, he'll probably just steal more material from the original series or movies because he's demonstrated no ability to create something new himself.

Except that JJ did not write the script or come up with the story, he only directed the movie. If you really want to blame someone for the story then blame Lindeloff and his co-writers Kurtzman & Orci, both of whom worked on the previous Trek movie a well as on Fringe & Alias.

 

[Jet Beetle]

Arguments trying to portray this film as a failure just aren't borne out by it's 92% Rotten Tomatoes audience rating and it's current box office. It just crossed $200m domestic and $376m Worldwide. The '09 film did $385 total gross, it was stronger in the US but Into Darkness is doing better internationally. This is Trek, it's not and never will be a mega franchise but this film is an unqualified success.

And McDonalds has sold a gagillion burgers - doesn't make them the best or even good. And the rating system at RT reflects the reviewers not audiences - believe it or not. Disney used to flood the reviews with fictitious reviews to boost garbage like Lion King 2 and other direct to video smudge.

I've heard from a few people they are not making another one - believe me Paramount does not view this as a success - not even close. Check the numbers on Tron 2 - still considered a flop. Movies have to over perform nowdays to be considered viable.

The prequels made a lot of money -- and -- um -- yeah.

 

[Bryancd]

They may not but a combined $750m+ for two films for what I really a TV franchise, well dollars o outs CBS and Paramount look to bring this Trek back to the small screen where Trek really belongs. But evn without Bad Robot, wih this cast I say we will see another film. And trying to discredit RT is silly, has th film preformed poorly there the detractors would be trotting out the numbers. They simply don't support your position this time.

And the McDonalds analogy is terrible and you know it. Come on.

 

[Kerr Avon]

After the bar fight in the first one, Pike made the comment that Kirk's aptitude test were "off the charts."

All that means is the character has the ABILITY to learn, not that he has the actual knowledge. Even having the ability to learn, he's wholly incapable of Captaining a Starship without the actual training.

 

[Jet Beetle]

And trying to discredit RT is silly, has th film preformed poorly there the detractors would be trotting out the numbers. They simply don't support your position this time.

And the McDonalds analogy is terrible and you know it. Come on.

Everything I say against this film or your sources is silly in your POV.

But RT is and always has been what is known in the industry as a "flood site" where numbers can be changed. Disney was caught (or a guy who works for Disney) doing just that. Not much came of it because other studios were doing it as well. There are maybe less than 20 credible film critics that post there - when the site first popped up ANYONE could review on it. But this isn't about RT - this is about ST

The studio expected much more from this movie but were cautious ( which is why the shelves of Target are toyless) There was a target number set which wasn't met - even if this movie pulls a miracle out of it's aft thruster - it didn't flip right out of the gate - and that's what matters.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

I never liked the original ST. The reboot is awesome IMO, the characters and effects are great. The wife and I just watched into darkness and we both enjoyed it immensely!

 

[Zombie_61]

...The only thing truly re-booted about this 'alternate timeline' Trek is that Spock is emotional. Will cry, be in love, have expression clearly on his face...

Not true. You're forgetting that the Enterprise can now operate in both planetary atmospheres and salt water oceans.

 

[Apollo]

I beg your pardon? :facepalm

Now you are being silly :lol

Trek was the Franchise that kept that studio greased for years, it WAS the sacred cash cow once they figured out how to cash in on it.

Right or wrong The suits are disapointed in this one.

Time will tell if they will do another but usually they announce that they are doing another one by now and the have not.

It does not look good for the franchise right now.

This is Trek, it's not and never will be a mega franchise but this film is an unqualified success.

 

[Jeyl]

Arguments trying to portray this film as a failure just aren't borne out by it's 92% Rotten Tomatoes audience rating and it's current box office. It just crossed $200m domestic and $376m Worldwide. The '09 film did $385 total gross, it was stronger in the US but Into Darkness is doing better internationally. This is Trek, it's not and never will be a mega franchise but this film is an unqualified success.

Well I certainly won't argue that STID has been a success both critically and financially. However, it is not an overall improvement from the last movie. While the foreign numbers have certainly improved (Thanks to one actor), STID is actually trailing behind the last film in terms of domestic gross. This is pretty important because domestic gross is where Star Trek usually excels at and it's the one area that didn't improve. And these are numbers that include inflated 3D ticket prices, something that the last film didn't even have. So when you have the writers, the studio and even the folks who named the film hoping that this movie would be their "The Dark Knight" in terms of how well it would perform, it crashed and burned. The Dark Knight made over 700 million dollars MORE than Batman Begins, and it did it without the film being in 3D or everyone involved with it declaring "You don't need to see the last movie to get this one".

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Not true. You're forgetting that the Enterprise can now operate in both planetary atmospheres and salt water oceans.

Somehow I had blocked that one out. Ironically enough, while in the theatre, during that scene, my 13 year old daugher turns, looks at me, see's the expression on my face and nugdes me in the side with a whispered, "It's just a movie!" At that moment, JetBeetle's prophecy rang in my head and I realized how close it had come to being true!

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Well I certainly won't argue that STID has been a success both critically and financially. However, it is not an overall improvement from the last movie. While the foreign numbers have certainly improved (Thanks to one actor), STID is actually trailing behind the last film in terms of domestic gross. This is pretty important because domestic gross is where Star Trek usually excels at and it's the one area that didn't improve. And these are numbers that include inflated 3D ticket prices, something that the last film didn't even have. So when you have the writers, the studio and even the folks who named the film hoping that this movie would be their "The Dark Knight" in terms of how well it would perform, it crashed and burned. The Dark Knight made over 700 million dollars MORE than Batman Begins, and it did it without the film being in 3D or everyone involved with it declaring "You don't need to see the last movie to get this one".

True, but I would argue that most of the 700 Mil was people who otherwise had little interest in it going to see Ledger's final performance.

 

[Jeyl]

True, but I would argue that most of the 700 Mil was people who otherwise had little interest in it going to see Ledger's final performance.

Than how would you explain The Dark Knight Rises that grossed just short of 100 million more dollars? I don't think anyone died in that film, and I don't think anyone was really all that excited about Bane as they were about the Joker.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Than how would you explain The Dark Knight Rises that grossed just short of 100 million more dollars? I don't think anyone died in that film, and I don't think anyone was really all that excited about Bane as they were about the Joker.

I think the case with that was:

- Ledger dies, meaning more people see TDK.

- TDK is a great movie, that added exposure leads to loads more fans.

- Those fans then go to see TDKR due to their enjoyment of TDK.