Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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SmilingOtter
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While I wasn't entirely thrilled with the Klingon ships (which, admittedly, looked more Klingon than the Narada looked Romulan) I had no real problem with either the Klingon costumes or makeup. Starfleet has gone through a number of uniforms, so I wouldn't begrudge it of the Klingons. And there have been a slew of forehead types, the one we saw in STID wasn't all that dramatically different.
Of course I wish they had been TOS style, with something akin to the black/gold uniforms, but my Klingon-related issues don't even make the top ten list of problems I had with the film.
Of course I wish they had been TOS style, with something akin to the black/gold uniforms, but my Klingon-related issues don't even make the top ten list of problems I had with the film.
Zombie_61
Master Member
I could have done without the facial piercings, but otherwise was pleasantly surprised that the Klingon makeup wasn't more drastically different.
SSgt Burton
Sr Member
My thoughts exactly as well. Didn't care for the piercings in the cranial ridges, but otherwise not a huge departure.
Kevin
I am so glad I didn't pay a dime to see this movie. We Should retrim the titles - we already have Star Trek TOS - JJ Trek should be called Star Trek POS.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
:lol :lol :lol
Saw it recently. As long as my brain remained unplugged, it was ok. Turn on any type of thinking and it sucks.
I love me some Cumberbatch but his chops were wasted in this film.
Agree with Jet, seeing it for free definitely helps.
It made me a bit apprehensive about EpVII because I feel like JJ has NO clue how to treat the ST universe. Makes me wonder how he'll treat the SW universe.
I love me some Cumberbatch but his chops were wasted in this film.
Agree with Jet, seeing it for free definitely helps.
It made me a bit apprehensive about EpVII because I feel like JJ has NO clue how to treat the ST universe. Makes me wonder how he'll treat the SW universe.
Same here!
I stopped paying for them about 10 years ago when the owner of the local theatre moved in my neighborhood!
I stopped paying for them about 10 years ago when the owner of the local theatre moved in my neighborhood!
Same here!
I stopped paying for them about 10 years ago when the owner of the local theatre moved in my neighborhood!
Now that is a hook-up!
Demetrios2177
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I thought about that, too. Maybe it won't be such a problem, as the Star Wars universe is much more "fantastical" than Trek is. No need to pay much attention to "physical" accuracy. If only his writers get the characters right, all will be fine, I suppose.
Kerr Avon
Master Member
Theres' so much wrong with the plot and writing though in "The Angry Bitterness of John Harrison" that if he performs similarly with SW that we'll be wishing for the days of Jar Jar Binks.
Okay, that may be a little extreme.
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This is really uninspired and uninteresting design. It's as bad as the dress uniforms for Starfleet. It's sad when the TNG had much better and cooler looking designs for the Klingons.
rodneyfaile
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Whatever you think of JJ's two Trek movies, at least he has left it in a perfect spot. The five year mission is beginning with an outstanding new cast.
If they did a straight reboot of Trek, I'm not sure it would be as good as the altered timeline explanation. Now that introductions are out of the way, as well as the legendary Khan, now the real stories can begin.
I think the franchise is in a great spot. It's a whole new world. The next movie can go almost anywhere. The future is unknown. I'm not sure there was any better way to reboot the franchise than the way JJ did it.
If they did a straight reboot of Trek, I'm not sure it would be as good as the altered timeline explanation. Now that introductions are out of the way, as well as the legendary Khan, now the real stories can begin.
I think the franchise is in a great spot. It's a whole new world. The next movie can go almost anywhere. The future is unknown. I'm not sure there was any better way to reboot the franchise than the way JJ did it.
Kerr Avon
Master Member
Except if JJ does another one, he'll probably just steal more material from the original series or movies because he's demonstrated no ability to create something new himself.
Probe Droid
Master Member
Just saw it. Started off okay but jumped the tracks after the first hour. Too much extra crap that slowed it down. The bad guy also was completely lackluster. A boring villain is not a good thing. A very mediocre outing. I hope Abrams does a better job with Star Wars.
jlee562
Sr Member
STID is not a TWOK re-hash. Yes, there are deliberate references to TOS; the Kirk "death" scene mirrors the Spock death scene; and Khan appears.
But Khan has completely separate motivations in this movie. It is not a revenge film. It's not a film about the grudge between Khan and Kirk because that event never happened in this reality. It's a film about a conspiracy between a rogue Starfleet admiral and an evil genius, which Kirk and co. get caught up in and expose.
Nobody complained this loudly when Joker showed up in TDK (or for that matter, the Burton films). Nobody complained this loudly when Lex Luthor was the villain in Superman returns. Nobody complained that Sam Mendes "demonstrated no ability to create something new" when the DB5 showed up in Skyfall.
You don't have to like the story, you don't have to like the film. But to claim that it is not original, is simply not in any way objective.
They didn't complain that Luthor was showing up because Luthor is Superman's reoccurring nemesis - but as soon as people found out his plan was ripped from Superman the movie everyone cried foul.
And Superman Returns is not a movie I would willingly bring to a defense.
The team behind ST
OS transplanted from a better movie - they claim that this is their alternate universe yet they take what they want and discard the rest. Like buying the latest camera, chock full special features and tossing away the instructions.
jlee562
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They didn't complain that Luthor was showing up because Luthor is Superman's reoccurring nemesis - but as soon as people found out his plan was ripped from Superman the movie everyone cried foul.
And Superman Returns is not a movie I would willingly bring to a defense.
The team behind ST
And Khan is a reoccurring nemesis for Kirk, no?
Look, you're missing the forest for the trees. I don't begrudge anyone not liking the film or having an opinion contrary to mine. All I'm saying is that the criticism that this film "recycles" and therefore should not be considered "original" or creative in some fashion rings hollow to me.
Other franchises have re-used characters. The Joker went from comic book, to hokey TV villain, to crazy movie villain, to really crazy movie villain. So let's not pretend like simply re-using a character is an issue here. It's not. It's whether or not they used that character well. And again, if you don't think they did it well, fine. I've even said that I don't think that the character needed to be Khan for this story to work. But given that it was Khan, I felt it was a fair interpretation of the character.
Oh, he borrowed a scene from another movie? Well, Lucas lifted a sequence from The Searchers, for A New Hope (and Forbidden Kingdom). Half of any given Tarantino movie is from another movie (at least half).
It's really ok if you didn't like the movie. All I'm trying to point out, is that some of the criticisms of the film I've read here, are things which aren't criticized in other movies. And to me, if you're going to write the film off because it re-used a character, you should disqualify yourself from watching a film like The Dark Knight.
Except, nobody in their right mind would do that, because nobody really thinks that you should judge a film based on the premise of whether or not they re-used a character. That's just something they say because it's an easy criticism to make. The film should be judged on its own merits, rather than some selective application of completely arbitrary personal "rules."
And if you still don't like the movie, that's totally fine. Just stop being so banal about it.
tl;dr; It's ok for you to not like the movie; but some of the reasons that some people give, don't make sense
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Probe Droid
Master Member
Sorry, but, yeah, it is.
SSgt Burton
Sr Member
How?
No, seriously how? Because it has one character with the same name as the antagonist in WOK? Or because they flipped the "save the ship, die in the process" sequence? Oh and someone screams KHAAAAAAAAAN?
Because those are the only similarities I can see (well other than Kirk, Spock et al are in it, flying around in a ship called the Enterprise, but I'm sure you don't think it's a rehash for that).
Maybe I must be blind.
Kevin
I never once said it was a re-hash so I see the forrest and the Gump.
There is a terrible story going on here that the writers believed would be glued together by cherry picking iconic moments that once moved audiences. When Spock screamed Khhhhhhhaaaaaannnnn - people literally started laughing.
And Khan, being a great creation of character, is not as predominant to Star Trek as Luthor is to Superman or the Joker is to Aquaman -- kidding.
I just wish the STOS team were more confident and separated themselves from what came before and stop the apple dunking -- and if they are going to take from it and have Spock Prime show up - copy more than just moments from TOS - see if you can lift a bit of the quality of thought the show possessed. Scotty doesn't need a Midget cactus as a sidekick - Uhura and Spock in a romantic relationship robs from Spock's character. Kirk is less a womanizer and more of a romantic - about everything - his passions were contagious which is why his crew is so damn loyal. Orci and Kurtzman pen these films like fanfic ( and I've read better fanfic).---
K- I'm going back to watching Cocaine Cowboys.
There is a terrible story going on here that the writers believed would be glued together by cherry picking iconic moments that once moved audiences. When Spock screamed Khhhhhhhaaaaaannnnn - people literally started laughing.
And Khan, being a great creation of character, is not as predominant to Star Trek as Luthor is to Superman or the Joker is to Aquaman -- kidding.
I just wish the ST
OS team were more confident and separated themselves from what came before and stop the apple dunking -- and if they are going to take from it and have Spock Prime show up - copy more than just moments from TOS - see if you can lift a bit of the quality of thought the show possessed. Scotty doesn't need a Midget cactus as a sidekick - Uhura and Spock in a romantic relationship robs from Spock's character. Kirk is less a womanizer and more of a romantic - about everything - his passions were contagious which is why his crew is so damn loyal. Orci and Kurtzman pen these films like fanfic ( and I've read better fanfic).---K- I'm going back to watching Cocaine Cowboys.
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