Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

[nickytea]

I know this was essentially a shot for shot rehash of the original scene (with a role reversal). However it still worked for me! I can't put my finger on it as to why it still worked and didn't have me rolling my eyes.

It worked because it ISN'T a shot for shot rehash. (Check if you don't believe me.)
Nor does it contextually serve the same dramatic function.

It borrows a single element of staging.

It works because the movie earned it on its own, entirely unrelated terms.

 

[SSgt Burton]

(Check if you don't believe me.)

Perhaps you missed the part where I said it was my favourite film.

I've probably watched WOK 1000 times or more. No need fo me to check.

What I saw (on the surface) in STID were direct parallels to the original. Perhaps "shot for shot" was the wrong choice of words, however I'm sure you got the jist of what I meant.


Kevin

 

[Shadow345]

That being said... Spock's "KHAAAAAAN" nearly took me out of the moment. Really would have rather he yelled "NOOOOOO" or something. At least JJ had the insight to throw the viewer back into the fray with the Vengeance nearly hitting the Enterprise in the next shot; distracted me enough to get over the so-so delivery of that infamous line quickly. :lol

I had a feeling that quick cut back to an action sequence was intentional.

 

[The Mad Professor]

I know this was essentially a shot for shot rehash of the original scene (with a role reversal). However it still worked for me! I can't put my finger on it as to why it still worked and didn't have me rolling my eyes.

I think the scene worked not because of who sacrificed themselves, but because of the two characters in the scene.

Neither Into Darkness nor Wrath of Khan would have had the same emotional impact in that scene if it had been anyone else on either side of the glass. At its very core, it's a situation where someone cannot do anything but sit by and watch as their best friend dies. THAT is why the scene works.

 

[SSgt Burton]

I had a feeling that quick cut back to an action sequence was intentional.

Indeed!

For those that accepted the line, there is no issue. However if the line didn't work, there is no time for the viewer to reflect as we're off to the races again with the next frenetic action sequence.

But don't get me wrong, I liked that foot chase!


Kevin

 

[Kerr Avon]

Neither Into Darkness nor Wrath of Khan would not have had the same emotional impact in that scene if it had been anyone else had been on either side of the glass. At its very core, it's a situation where someone cannot do anything but sit by and watch as their best friend dies. THAT is why the scene works.

DING DING DING.

Here's the PROBLEM. Kirk is NOT Spock's best friend. Spock HATED Kirk most of the first movie, he didn't really show anything in the form of friendship in this movie. REAL Kirk and Spock had decades of friendship. THAT'S why it was emotional in REAL Trek TWOK, and why it was pathetically recreated in the FAKE TWOK.

 

[Bryancd]

I think the scene worked not because of who sacrificed themselves, but because of the two characters in the scene.

Neither Into Darkness nor Wrath of Khan would have had the same emotional impact in that scene if it had been anyone else on either side of the glass. At its very core, it's a situation where someone cannot do anything but sit by and watch as their best friend dies. THAT is why the scene works.

Well said. For me, they earned the emotional resonance. Certainly it's not the same as when Spock dies in TWOK for me as there is so much emotional time built into that moment, but I felt real empathy for Spock and Kirk.

 

[Goonie]

DING DING DING.

Here's the PROBLEM. Kirk is NOT Spock's best friend. Spock HATED Kirk most of the first movie, he didn't really show anything in the form of friendship in this movie. REAL Kirk and Spock had decades of friendship. THAT'S why it was emotional in REAL Trek TWOK, and why it was pathetically recreated in the FAKE TWOK.

Agreed. I discussed the movie today with a coworker and we both agreed that it was nothing but poor writing on this installment. Just plain laziness and no creativity.

Would've been better if when Kirk went in there, and the vats were leaking beer everywhere...
So does this mean that Christopher Lloyd will be cast as Kruge for the next one? Better yet, how about JJ reboot ST:TNG with Vin Diesel as Captain Picard if they want an action movie from that show.

Like I said in my last post,I can't wait for Mr. Plinkett to review this one.

 

[The Mad Professor]

DING DING DING.

Here's the PROBLEM. Kirk is NOT Spock's best friend. Spock HATED Kirk most of the first movie, he didn't really show anything in the form of friendship in this movie. REAL Kirk and Spock had decades of friendship. THAT'S why it was emotional in REAL Trek TWOK, and why it was pathetically recreated in the FAKE TWOK.

To be fair, Spock did not hate Kirk. He did not respect him, seeing him as brash and arrogant, but after serving under him, seeing that while Kirk was indeed brash and arrogant, he also saw that there was something about him that deserved respect. Remember that in the original timeline, Kirk took command of the Enterprise in 2264, with Spock as his first officer. The following year was the year that Amok Time took place, and we know how easily Spock became overjoyed when he found out that he had, in fact, NOT killed Kirk in that arena. That was the span of a year as well.

 

[nickytea]

Perhaps you missed the part where I said it was my favourite film.

I've probably watched WOK 1000 times or more. No need fo me to check.

Based on your avatar alone, I would never presume that! I was referring, rather, to Into Darkness.
I'm sure at this point you've got the TWoK scene compositionally committed to memory as many of us do!

 

[Wakeem]

Like I said in my last post,I can't wait for Mr. Plinkett to review this one.

Same here. But he liked Star Trek more than I thought he would. Or at least he gave it a pass because he understood the more action element on that scale comparison that he showed. I still think the original short review with the girl going into the alley is more to the point about the first movie.

 

[Goonie]

Same here. But he liked Star Trek more than I thought he would. Or at least he gave it a pass because he understood the more action element on that scale comparison that he showed. I still think the original short review with the girl going into the alley is more to the point about the first movie.

I did enjoy the 2009 movie as well, and saw it twice in the theater. This one just had poor, lazy writing.

 

[SSgt Burton]

Based on your avatar alone, I would never presume that! I was referring, rather, to Into Darkness.

My mistake.

I still find that there were "obvious" parallels, however I don't feel the need to go over them point by point as I'm sure you are aware of them. These are more so the initial set up of what Kirk must do to save the ship, not the exchange between Kirk and Spock at the end.


I know the scene works (almost in spite of itself). I've only watched STID twice, so the exchange between Kirk and Spock as Kirk dies isn't as cemented with me as the original.

However what I "felt" in the moment (right or wrong) is that Spock finally understands how strong a bond there has been between them all along, and it has taken Kirk's death to reveal this. But it is now too late: Spock has simultaneously gained and lost a great friend.


Kevin

 

[nickytea]

However what I "felt" in the moment (right or wrong) is that Spock finally understands how strong a bond there has been between them all along, and it has taken Kirk's death to reveal this. But it is now too late: Spock has simultaneously gained and lost a great friend.

Yes, and for Kirk, he's finally reconciled the parts of himself criticized in the film's setup; sacrificing himself for his crew as his father did. In this way, it works a payoff for both his journey in this film and across the two.

 

[Caveneau]

I just read that Lindelof tweeted an apology for the Alice Eve half-nude scene.
Gee, really? It made no sense at all as to why she needed to disrobe?
To boot, he mispelled misogynist.
Well, at least he got his writing credit in the movie.

 

[mynameschris]

The original sequence of Spock saving the Enterprise in WOK can still move me to tears if my mood is right.

Same here, this film for me did have an element of that, much more so than Nemesis which is to me much more an attempt to rehash WOK than this.

In this one I fealt something when Pike was killed and worked out what Kirk was going to have to do to fix the Enterprise just before they did it, I found myself going along in the moment (even though I knew in the back of my mind that Tribble would be how they save him) much more than I did when I first saw Data destroy the Reman ubership.

I didnt find the reuse of certain classic scene setups a rehash, I enjoyed seeing how they took an element I know so well and flipped it on its head, the problem with the scene I think is the original was part of the films climax where as we have a fair bit of film left to see this time so theres no time to think.

Yeah, I posted that earlier. Don't like e mega impulse drive but it does seem they may have reduced the size of the bridge to scale the ship better.

Im not sure if the bridge is an optical illusion, that shot of the updated ship is part way into its warp jump... I preferred the smaller impulse engine myself!

I just read that Lindelof tweeted an apology for the Alice Eve half-nude scene.
Gee, really? It made no sense at all as to why she needed to disrobe?
To boot, he mispelled misogynist.
Well, at least he got his writing credit in the movie.

The way I read it he didnt apologise for writing it in more for how it was filmed, I just dont think it makes sense as she must have changed into a shirt and trousers uniform before putting on the flightsuit seeming the duty uniforms can be seen through the transparent panels.

He did apologise for his spelling however

 

[Riceball]

Well, I never much cared for the handrails on the TOS bridge. Made no sense to me at all...

They made sense given the size of the bridge and how close the back area of the bridge was to center portion and considering that it was raised too. Without it people standing, or even sitting, in the back would be thrown into "pit" area in the center of the bridge every time the ship took a big hit or made some sort of radical maneuver. In short, the rail was there to people in the back from flying into the "pit" whenever anything happened.

 

[Jeyl]

"Deleted Scene of Khan taking a shower" on Conan.

I just love how JJ's idea of a fair trade off to Alice Eve's scene is showing Kirk in bed under sheets and when he gets up, it shows two alien women with CGI tails who are also shown in their underwear. I just know they're going to call this one shot "brilliant" in the commentary.

 

[Riceball]

The way I read it he didnt apologise for writing it in more for how it was filmed, I just dont think it makes sense as she must have changed into a shirt and trousers uniform before putting on the flightsuit seeming the duty uniforms can be seen through the transparent panels.

That part didn't make much sense to me either, why did she (and McCoy for that matter) feel it necessary to change uniforms just to go to a planetoid to go disarm a photon torpedo? If they changed into some sort of high tech bomb suit I'd understand but instead it was just some uniform whose purpose I don't quite understand. We see Kirk, Spock, & McCoy wear that same exact uniform when they took the shuttle to the Enterprise but shortly after they bot onboard the Enterprise they changed into their regular uniforms, so is this uniform some sort of travel only uniform or a travel and field uniform while the colored jerseys are only authorized for wear onboard ship only?

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"Deleted Scene of Khan taking a shower" on Conan.

I just love how JJ's idea of a fair trade off to Alice Eve's scene is showing Kirk in bed under sheets and when he gets up, it shows two alien women with CGI tails who are also shown in their underwear. I just know they're going to call this one shot "brilliant" in the commentary.

And what exactly was wrong with Alice Eve's changing scene? Sure it was a bit gratuitous but she certainly looked good in it and I didn't feel that it took anything away from the movie, even if it didn't add anything either.

 

[Bryancd]

Much ado about not a lot.