firesprite
Master Member
DS9 is my favorite Trek, hands down.
Additionally, as a fan of the BSG reboot, it's interesting to watch because you can really see the seeds of BSG germinating in RDM's mind as the show progresses.
Star Trek: Discovery (2017)
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DS9 is my favorite Trek, hands down.
Additionally, as a fan of the BSG reboot, it's interesting to watch because you can really see the seeds of BSG germinating in RDM's mind as the show progresses.
ghostryder
Legendary Member
Buddy had a bachelor party there one night - could not have been more fun - we had an absolute blast...
Angelus Lupus
Sr Member
- Yay!
:thumbsup x100 - Hmm... :unsure not sure about this, same potential for continuity problems as Enterprise.
- Ditto, will they retcon? Mess up things by using races/places or tech blatantly post TNG?
- Enterprise already tried this with the Romulan war and the Klingon first contact... badly.
- About damn time, but do it right no tropes, no stereotypes, no 'bury your gays'
- Hmm, non-Starfleet? Starbase commander? Ambassador?
Off topic: I will forever be disappointed that I never got a chance to go to the Star Trek experience in Vegas and hang out in Quartk's
Want to make Discovery something special...
Somehow work in the fact that Tucker is still alive The record books that Riker used of his holodeck experience at the end of Enterprise were incomplete.
I'd dig it.
-Gary
Somehow work in the fact that Tucker is still alive
The record books that Riker used of his holodeck experience at the end of Enterprise were incomplete. I'd dig it.
-Gary
If we're going to take the whole "10 years before Kirk" thing literally, that would mean the original Enterprise is somewhere out there. Remember what Spock said during his hearing in "The Menagerie Part 1"?
That was a first season episode of the original series. Naw dates in Star Trek can be get pretty inconsistent (The 1900s was 200 years ago in the 2300s), but if this truly takes place before Kirk takes command of the Enterprise, that would mean you could watch the original version of "The Cage" and then watch Discovery knowing that it occurs three years after that episode. Who knows... Maybe the Enterprise herself will appear in the show.
:eek
SPOCK: This is thirteen years ago. The Enterprise and its commander, Captain Christopher Pike.
That was a first season episode of the original series. Naw dates in Star Trek can be get pretty inconsistent (The 1900s was 200 years ago in the 2300s), but if this truly takes place before Kirk takes command of the Enterprise, that would mean you could watch the original version of "The Cage" and then watch Discovery knowing that it occurs three years after that episode. Who knows... Maybe the Enterprise herself will appear in the show.
:eek
Mola Rob
Sr Member
I wish they would stop announcing that there will be a female or gay character and just do it. We don't need a press conference every time the gender or sexual orientation of a character is not a straight male.
I hope they're working hard to make the Discovery look pre-TOS because as it is it looks more TMP than TOS.
I hope they're working hard to make the Discovery look pre-TOS because as it is it looks more TMP than TOS.
I'll lay that one at the feet of the guy who wrote the actual teleplay for "Turnabout Intruder". Yeah, he scriptified a story Gene initially wrote, but Gene had also given us Number One in "The Cage", so he had absolutely zero qualms about high-ranking women. Either that, or the common fan theory that Janice Lester claimed misogyny scrubbed her career -- whn, in fact, she was just nuts.
Part of my obsessive delving into both the real-world and in-universe evolution of Trek has been dealing with the timeline. I try to use better research methodology than the Okudas. They arbitrarily set TOS exactly three hundred years after the original airdates. I work with actual referents from the episodes, films, scripts, production notes, and interviews with the various folks involved in the process to glean things that were in their minds when writing/creating, even if it never ended up in dialogue...
TWOK being set in 2285 works well. Late March, to be specific, because it's Kirk's birthday. His fiftieth, according to Nick Meyer, hence Kirk's mopiness. So his birth year would be 2235. Which works with the sources that have him ten years old when the Enterprise is launched, and the (again arbitrary) official date for that is 2245. The season 2 writers' bible says Kirk is "about thirty-four". I won't get into my breakdown of TOS stardates right now, but the long-and-short of that is that the corrected placement for the five-year mission is 2268-2273, with TMP taking place in 2276. Using the same process, I back-date the Talos IV incident to 2257 -- ten years before Kirk took command of the Enterprise, and eleven before "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
Whether any of the folks working on Discovery know any of this, I have no idea... but I sorta doubt, given the track record of the latter TNG/DS9/VOY era's references to the Okudas' "research" for their dating and name-dropping. This is why I cringe at this series being back in the Prime Timeline. The people who have been making new content for that setting don't know it as well as they think (and the fact that they refer to Enterprise as preceding TOS kinda clinches it for me).
--Jonah
It actually struck me as funny in Beyond when we finally saw the Sulu bit
He put his arm around a guy.
I was like...everyone made a big deal about that? Holy mountains out of molehills Batman!
Zombie_61
Master Member
Don't be. Quark's was overpriced rubbish.
Well apparently they do still have the CG files
Want to make Discovery something special...
Somehow work in the fact that Tucker is still alive
I'd dig it.
-Gary
Conner, the actor who played Tucker wouldn't like that
BlobVanDam
Sr Member
:lol I felt exactly the same. It couldn't have been more benign, nothing to complain about.
And I expect the new series will handle it just as respectfully, but these are issues a lot of Trek fans have wanted addressed for a long time, so I think that they just wanted to have it known at an early stage so people know what kind of "Trek" this will be.
I'm still apprehensive about the choice of era, but I'm cautiously optimistic they know what they're doing with this series.
patrickivan
Sr Member
It doesn't matter that anyone is okay with it, it's a hot topic to announce now. Like a cast off all women for something.
I'm in. Give me a cast of women. Want a gay couple to kiss? Whateves. Just do it already and stop emphasizing it.
Buuuuuuuuuut, it's marketing to new people who are those exact demographics. So if it helps keep the wheels turning, and lets some traditionally marginalised groups have something mainstream *heh- Star Trek is mainstream now!!!* to relate to, why not?
But I get it. It's annoying to hear all the time. But it's not annoying to actually happen. Like a song you liked, but are tired of hearing due to overplay. You don't hate the band, you just don't want to hear that song anymore.
The diversity on Star Trek has always been mostly incidental.
Sort of the point of depicting an evolved humanity.
Beat it over people's head and they will tune out.
It's one aspect of the show, being diverse won't make the show good.
So whatever reason they are waving that flag now, perhaps they are proud of themselves, at some point move on.
Bottom line compelling engaging entertaining stories is what will matter done the Trek way. Get back to the roots.
Sort of the point of depicting an evolved humanity.
Beat it over people's head and they will tune out.
It's one aspect of the show, being diverse won't make the show good.
So whatever reason they are waving that flag now, perhaps they are proud of themselves, at some point move on.
Bottom line compelling engaging entertaining stories is what will matter done the Trek way. Get back to the roots.
Father
Sr Member
I started watching Enterprise and it's not all that bad. It's not awesome, but it's enough to keep me watching.
I don't like Malcolm the security officer all that much. Trip is cool. The funniest scene in the series so far is when he gets knocked up by the alien woman and they're talking to the Klingons to get back on the alien ship. The Klingon's response when they tell him Trip go pregnant was something to the effect of "I thought you were just there to fix the warp drive". Reminded me of the scene in The Big Lebowski when he's watching Log Jamming.... "You can guess what happens next." "He fixes the cable?"
Anyway.... I love the design of NX-01. It's one of the things that keeps me watching. I hated the Voyager design and really even ST NG Enterprise.
I don't like Malcolm the security officer all that much. Trip is cool. The funniest scene in the series so far is when he gets knocked up by the alien woman and they're talking to the Klingons to get back on the alien ship. The Klingon's response when they tell him Trip go pregnant was something to the effect of "I thought you were just there to fix the warp drive". Reminded me of the scene in The Big Lebowski when he's watching Log Jamming.... "You can guess what happens next." "He fixes the cable?"
Anyway.... I love the design of NX-01. It's one of the things that keeps me watching. I hated the Voyager design and really even ST NG Enterprise.
Yeah I really love the NX-01 design as well. I was never a fan of Voyager, and honestly, even the Enterprise E doesn't really do anything for me. I still think the Classic, A, D and NX-01 are the coolest. Not the Enterprise but Defiant is still a solid design. Even all these years later. Still badass.
Father
Sr Member
Defiant was awesome. I don't think NX-01 is much bigger than the Defiant, is it? [comparison]
Enterprise A was cool and I like the Abrams-verse Enterprise a lot as well.
Enterprise B was stupid... using an Excelsior-class as an Enterprise was lame.
Enterprise C seemed like a lazy attempt and mixing old/classic style with the TNG style.
Enterprise D was awful. Always hated it. Plus I always thought the era of Galaxy-class pushed the limits on size.
Enterprise A was cool and I like the Abrams-verse Enterprise a lot as well.
Enterprise B was stupid... using an Excelsior-class as an Enterprise was lame.
Enterprise C seemed like a lazy attempt and mixing old/classic style with the TNG style.
Enterprise D was awful. Always hated it. Plus I always thought the era of Galaxy-class pushed the limits on size.
NX-01 is longer, overall. The saucer is about the size of the saucer of Prime NCC-1701, but it lacks secondary hull and the engines are a lot dinkier. I'd say the habitable volume of the Defiant is about half to two-thirds that of NX-01.
Except that was the plan from the get-go. Andy Probert put this size chart together during pre-production on TNG in 1986. He was the one who came up with a conjectural design between the Excelsior and Galaxy so it was a progression rather than a jump, and used it to "morph" the film aesthetic into the TNG aesthetic:
And it was what he used to make the conference lounge wall display:
Notice that's an Excelsior-class Enterprise-B, as well as the conjectural Ambassador-class Enterprise-C. I wish they'd been able to do the filming miniature closer to Probert's design, but time and money constraints resulted in the miniature we got in "Yesterday's Enterprise".
*shrug* And I'm one of those who thinks it, the one from the Original Series, and the one from the films are all beautiful in their own ways. You want the bleeding-edge flagship design to be pushed to the utmost. The show didn't capture this very well, but the Galaxy class was intended to operate out beyond fleet support for fifteen years at a go without replenishment or layovers. Hence the families on board, hence the holodecks and other cushiness. This was going to be home for a thousand or so people for half a generation, not a duty posting for a couple years. It was designed at a time of relative peace. The Romulans hadn't been heard from for decades. The Klingons were our allies. Other conflicts were minor or were seeing diplomatic progress. It was an optimistic time. And I think the design reflected that well.
--Jonah
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