JiminSTLouis
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Maybe they mine the raw materials they need from the nebula.
Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)
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Maybe they mine the raw materials they need from the nebula.
astroboy
Master Member
The way it plays out is that they walk into the lounge for his birthday (no more than two days after the movie started. They mentioned his birthday off the top) While in the lounge, the three of them move over to the window to have a look at the ship. It's half built at that point.
Then the artistic license starts and it goes into fast forward.
Then who is to say it wasn't a different ship that was being built but when the Enterprise was destroyed they decided to switch the registry and inform the crew on their return? They renamed an existing ship to Enterprise-A in III although that is never shown on screen. This seems much ado about nothing, but that has become the norm around here as of late.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
I think that's what they had in mind. When the Commodore is talking to Kirk about the nebula, she says that one other ship has better sensors than the Enterprise, but it wasn't ready yet. They must be the same ship.
glunark
Sr Member
Was the star drive section even destroyed?
They lost the nacelles, then the throat got cut, and the saucer crashed, but for all we know the stardrive section could have been towed back relatively unscathed.
Even the nacelles, it was only the pylons that were chewed through, they could have been reattached too.
It makes more sense that it was a different ship, but the only part we saw them building from scratch is the one part we know definitely got destroyed.
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BTW, what was McCoy doing going through Chekov's locker and helping himself to his JD anyway?
They lost the nacelles, then the throat got cut, and the saucer crashed, but for all we know the stardrive section could have been towed back relatively unscathed.
Even the nacelles, it was only the pylons that were chewed through, they could have been reattached too.
It makes more sense that it was a different ship, but the only part we saw them building from scratch is the one part we know definitely got destroyed.
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BTW, what was McCoy doing going through Chekov's locker and helping himself to his JD anyway?
kristen jones
Master Member
Yeah... I thought that was made pretty clear by the...you know...super sped up construction footage shown with a voice over by the main cast. It makes it pretty clear to most adults that they are spanning a time distance here, leading up to them "heading back out there".
I had zero trouble getting that message.
KrangPrime
Master Member
well, we saw it today.
yeah, it felt a LITTLE more star trek. although there where STILL lots of things that where stupid nu trek in it.
like, rather than try the made up techno bable, they used the stupid song suggestion.
Kirk being beamed down on a MOVING motorcycle from a small transporter padd..
I was trying to pick up on all the 50th mentions too..
'combining together on the transporter' seemed like a Tuvix reference.
There was an alarm at the end as the swarm attacked that i couldn't place, but seemed out of place for that era.
There was Commodore Paris that got a laugh in the theater...
Of course, the NX ship and uniforms.
it was such a long movie, was there a tng and ds9 ref?
all in all, i liked it be tter than the first two... even with the Irish (i think) sounding compatriot of scotty.they have earth dialect aliens in space?
yeah, it felt a LITTLE more star trek. although there where STILL lots of things that where stupid nu trek in it.
like, rather than try the made up techno bable, they used the stupid song suggestion.
Kirk being beamed down on a MOVING motorcycle from a small transporter padd..
I was trying to pick up on all the 50th mentions too..
'combining together on the transporter' seemed like a Tuvix reference.
There was an alarm at the end as the swarm attacked that i couldn't place, but seemed out of place for that era.
There was Commodore Paris that got a laugh in the theater...
Of course, the NX ship and uniforms.
it was such a long movie, was there a tng and ds9 ref?
all in all, i liked it be tter than the first two... even with the Irish (i think) sounding compatriot of scotty.they have earth dialect aliens in space?
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KrangPrime
Master Member
it felt longer in places....any time you thought the movie was going to end, it went on more. but y eah, i think it was around 2 hours.
Contec
Master Member
Saw the movie last week but can't remember if the girl Jaylah ever did get revenge on her fathers killer... I only seem to remember her fighting him (forgot his name) on the roof of the krall's mushroom houses and then almost gets killed until Kirks does his bike stunt and Scotty teleport her and him to the ship. I must have missed something.
Riceball
Master Member
So, technobabble is now a good thing? When did this happen? I always thought that the technobabble was one of the most derided, or at least made fun of, things about the original Trek, esp. from TNG on. While the whole RF interference thing could have been handled a bit better it was no worse than something like say, routing power from the secondary EPS conduits, to the auxiliary power relays, and then to the deflector dish to emit a tachyon pulse to disrupt the swarm.
KingsKnight
Active Member
I believe this is referred to in the movie when Commodore Paris hints at another more advanced ship. Likely it was renamed the Enterprise from whatever it was going to be named when the 1701 got destroyed. At least that's one scenario. At least it should easily satisfy a suspension of disbelief.
Angelus Lupus
Sr Member
It may satisfy suspension of disbelief - within the movie - for how another ship was ready so quick. However, it doesn't satisfy for the nu-movie franchise, that is supposed to be 'new' that we are again seeing 'destroy the enterprise to win in the third film and replace it with the A at the end'
That, and the whole referencing Kirk's age made sense in the original films, because he was older, after the first (and assumed second) 5-year missions.
That, and the whole referencing Kirk's age made sense in the original films, because he was older, after the first (and assumed second) 5-year missions.
KrangPrime
Master Member
no, techno babble isn't really a great thing. but, we've come to be grudgingly accept it as modern trek lore.
I don't know, maybe here it felt like they where saying 'this is how OLD trek would solve a problem. but us new guys? we're going to blast it with a modern song and have fun with it just to annoy people..
the whole music thing WAS as stupid as it sounded.
They could have easily just used a static pitch or something.
Technobabble is just another method of telling a story. And like any story telling tool, it can be improperly used. Here is a good example of Star Trek technobabble.
PICARD: Data, report!
DATA: We appear to be caught in a temporal wake.
*The crew realize that the Borg traveled back in time to assimilate Earth*
CRUSHER: Then if they changed history why are we still here?
DATA: The temporal wake must somehow have protected us from the changes in the time-line.
DATA: We appear to be caught in a temporal wake.
*The crew realize that the Borg traveled back in time to assimilate Earth*
CRUSHER: Then if they changed history why are we still here?
DATA: The temporal wake must somehow have protected us from the changes in the time-line.
Technobabble is used to help convey what is happening for the characters and audience while also establishing the stakes.
This on the other hand is a bad example of using technobabbe.
RIKER: Data, would a defective plasma coil be susceptible to some sort of ionic pulse?
DATA: Perhaps. Yes! Yes, if we sent a low-level ionic pulse, it might reset the coil and trigger the cloaking device.
DATA: Perhaps. Yes! Yes, if we sent a low-level ionic pulse, it might reset the coil and trigger the cloaking device.
This is technobabble at it's worst because it's a bunch of nonsensical jargon that we're not supposed to understand yet is going to be used to save the day. It's essentially no different than if a character pressing a button labeled "I WIN".
The JJ Abrams Star Trek films treat Technobabble as something to be avoided. While that sounds good on paper, a lot of elements still result in the same problems that many would normally blame technobabble for causing. Like Khan's blood. It's a substance that can cure anything from cancer to death itself on any creature. They don't explain why and no one asks. No one asks because an answer would entail talking in tachnobabble, and that's not what they want to do. See how avoiding the techno talk is not avoiding the technobabble problem? When you have something as incredible as Khan's blood and you don't even bother to explain how or why it works, it comes off more like magic than it does science fiction. At least when Star Trek tried to add techno jargon to it, it was trying to make it sound practical to the characters in the story.
I BELIEVE we are to assume that he dies from the hright of the fall. She dove at him from the top of the tower they were fighting on. They both fall, she gabs Kirk's hand and they teleport and he falls to the ground.
astroboy
Master Member
If that is the case it makes me wonder how pissed off these other captains must be that "ol' cluster**** Kirk" wrecked another ship and took theirs.
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I wonder if it was an intentional Trekkie easter egg that the new 1701-A was constructed on Starbase Yorktown and that the 1701-A in Voyage Home was supposed to be the re-designated USS Yorktown?
Loved the movie. Lots of cool Trek references such as mentioning the MACO and the Xindi attack on Earth.
Loved the movie. Lots of cool Trek references such as mentioning the MACO and the Xindi attack on Earth.
Riceball
Master Member
You have to remember though, this is the same Starfleet that lets XOs turn down promotions to Captain and their own ship thus denying somebody else their shot at being the XO of a ship. It also allows Captains to refuse promotions to Admiral and keep their ship and thus preventing someone other deserving officer their shot at commanding a starship,m not only that, it also completely gums up the works where promotions are concerned because fewer billets are opening up because of XOs and Captains not moving on. A Captain that doesn't take a promotion to Admiral means that there's an XO not getting a command, and in turn this means that another officer isn't getting their shot at XO, which means that someone isn't getting promoted and taking over the would be XO's current job ,and so on.
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