Silicone P1 Suit Evolution. Pg41 Hands Video 19/07/13
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TuaCathach
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******.. I gathered you had done that after about the 10th time of looking
.. oh i'll get you back yes i will.. muwahaha..seahunterr
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Lee, your title is aptly named, suit "evolution". How many more millennia will it be until we get that tree pic? No bushes this time....
Ok......g........... ( sorry cant do it tom ) wanna know what I did yesterday?
well tough im telling you anyway .
I finally got the Silicone Torso poured, I finished nights yesterday morning, and after 2 coffees went straight to the garage, I worked in layers and used powermesh in he armpit area. up and awake for 35 hours in total, my own choice but I decided I wanted this sucker done.
The torso weighs in at 18lbs, with a rash vest inside. so its not as heavy as the naysayers would have you believe ( unless you are a 110lbs soaking wet weakling ) Nor will it be any hotter than latex.
Anyhoo, I was tempted to go on a slightly F you rant , due to the naysayers since people tried to shoot me down occasionally if I mentioned this, but ya know what........... its not worth my time, I knew I had a good chance as I had planned as well as I could, and looking at it now I kinda do not have to say anything as I AM HAPPY with what I have done.
No zip was needed, I have a 35 inch waist and a 45 inch chest, and this stretched EASILY over my shoulders and chest, and I think it fits pretty damn good, considering there was no life cast, the only place that is padded are the pecs, after 2 layers of silicone I cut out 2 pec shapes from some 1/2 inch thick foam, I then cut several holes in the pieces and laid them on the wet silicone, the thinking is this, NOTHING much likes to stick to silicone, so with the holes there when I paint the next layer of silicone over them, the silicone will run through the holes, not only encapsulating but locking it in place to the silicone layers below. makes sense? no? tough !
Before the photos I would just like to thank PTGREEK and DAVIDYR1 as they were helpful with technical questions to do with this and the head. And thanks to the other members of this forum who I cannot name them all have supported and listend to my ramblings, and then the others who push the limits and create simply fantastic works of art that make the creative process more appealing, and make me want to try harder to be better than I am.
hopefully I can do this justice at the end of the week when I can start painting.
Sorry for the suit photos being blurry, my mother has not got very steady hands.
well tough im telling you anyway
.I finally got the Silicone Torso poured, I finished nights yesterday morning, and after 2 coffees went straight to the garage, I worked in layers and used powermesh in he armpit area. up and awake for 35 hours in total, my own choice but I decided I wanted this sucker done.
The torso weighs in at 18lbs, with a rash vest inside. so its not as heavy as the naysayers would have you believe ( unless you are a 110lbs soaking wet weakling ) Nor will it be any hotter than latex.
Anyhoo, I was tempted to go on a slightly F you rant , due to the naysayers since people tried to shoot me down occasionally if I mentioned this, but ya know what........... its not worth my time, I knew I had a good chance as I had planned as well as I could, and looking at it now I kinda do not have to say anything as I AM HAPPY with what I have done.
No zip was needed, I have a 35 inch waist and a 45 inch chest, and this stretched EASILY over my shoulders and chest, and I think it fits pretty damn good, considering there was no life cast, the only place that is padded are the pecs, after 2 layers of silicone I cut out 2 pec shapes from some 1/2 inch thick foam, I then cut several holes in the pieces and laid them on the wet silicone, the thinking is this, NOTHING much likes to stick to silicone, so with the holes there when I paint the next layer of silicone over them, the silicone will run through the holes, not only encapsulating but locking it in place to the silicone layers below. makes sense? no? tough !
Before the photos I would just like to thank PTGREEK and DAVIDYR1 as they were helpful with technical questions to do with this and the head. And thanks to the other members of this forum who I cannot name them all have supported and listend to my ramblings, and then the others who push the limits and create simply fantastic works of art that make the creative process more appealing, and make me want to try harder to be better than I am.
hopefully I can do this justice at the end of the week when I can start painting.
Sorry for the suit photos being blurry, my mother has not got very steady hands.
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Andre de Jong
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The Demon is coming alive!
The Demon is coming alive!
A Hunters Moon
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Dude, just fan-freakin-tastic. I get to say I was one of the first to see this live and it's amazing stuff. This is what the hobbies about and you're one of only a few that continue to contribute in a big way man. Can't wait to see whats done paint wise. Spectacular Lee!
ptgreek
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im literally going to post here what i posted on Lee's facebook.
for the naysayers ..he did this whole thing in Silicone at Home!!! He will have THE FIRST life like predator suit. I cant stress how cool it is how he approached this project ..although there is a learning curve with the product. Lee chose a material that will best mimic the actual skin ..and last forever. Amazing job, brother
what is awesome here, is that Lee is pushing the boundaries of what can be accomplished at home. he is doing what actual effects studios are doing and he has taken us along for the ride. there is alot of useful info in here ..thank you for sharing bro
for the naysayers ..he did this whole thing in Silicone at Home!!! He will have THE FIRST life like predator suit. I cant stress how cool it is how he approached this project ..although there is a learning curve with the product. Lee chose a material that will best mimic the actual skin ..and last forever. Amazing job, brother
what is awesome here, is that Lee is pushing the boundaries of what can be accomplished at home. he is doing what actual effects studios are doing and he has taken us along for the ride. there is alot of useful info in here ..thank you for sharing bro
DAVIDYR1
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Nicely done bud.
And I appreciate the mention, but that's your work...your hands, and your blood, sweat and tears. I know the blood and sweat well because I was there years ago but dude that's all you. Over the years I've openly posted about silicone suits dozesn of times...but I think you're the only one who really took any of that to heart and really made it his own.
It looks amazing...and I can already see how it'll move. When painted this will be the bar. ...heck it already is.
As for the nay sayers...LOL...Yea, I remember having a very vocal minority of them too. I'm not sure where they all are now...probably beacuse in the end they were proved wrong. And that's what you're doing here. Prove them wrong, and that's the easiest and fastest way to shut them up.
...not only, but it's a heck of a lot of fun.
Now, get the legs done....don't start painting this until you have the legs...silicone paint tones should be done in one shot...each tone and layer in full. Otherwise you may end up with stronger colors for the legs.
This is the result of passion, persistence and patience. Well done bud.
David
And I appreciate the mention, but that's your work...your hands, and your blood, sweat and tears. I know the blood and sweat well because I was there years ago but dude that's all you. Over the years I've openly posted about silicone suits dozesn of times...but I think you're the only one who really took any of that to heart and really made it his own.
It looks amazing...and I can already see how it'll move. When painted this will be the bar.
...heck it already is.As for the nay sayers...LOL...Yea, I remember having a very vocal minority of them too. I'm not sure where they all are now...probably beacuse in the end they were proved wrong.
And that's what you're doing here. Prove them wrong, and that's the easiest and fastest way to shut them up....not only, but it's a heck of a lot of fun.
Now, get the legs done....don't start painting this until you have the legs...silicone paint tones should be done in one shot...each tone and layer in full. Otherwise you may end up with stronger colors for the legs.
This is the result of passion, persistence and patience. Well done bud.
David
Well thanks man, I have twisted your ears over this enough in chat, and your support is greatly appreciated.A Hunter's Moon said:
George, as always I appreciate your help and comment.ptgreek said:
David,DAVIDYR1 said:Nicely done bud.
And I appreciate the mention, but that's your work...your hands, and your blood, sweat and tears. I know the blood and sweat well because I was there years ago but dude that's all you. Over the years I've openly posted about silicone suits dozesn of times...but I think you're the only one who really took any of that to heart and really made it his own.
It looks amazing...and I can already see how it'll move. When painted this will be the bar.
As for the nay sayers...LOL...Yea, I remember having a very vocal minority of them too. I'm not sure where they all are now...probably beacuse in the end they were proved wrong.
...not only, but it's a heck of a lot of fun.
Now, get the legs done....don't start painting this until you have the legs...silicone paint tones should be done in one shot...each tone and layer in full. Otherwise you may end up with stronger colors for the legs.
This is the result of passion, persistence and patience. Well done bud.
David
Well credit where it is due, if you had not spoke to me about it I may have talked myself out of it at some point, so I will happily give credit where its due, whether I created this or not.
As for the legs I cannot wait, I have the fusefx system here and I will just have to try to match the torso to the head ( it was the same paint system anyway ) and then the legs when I drag my ass around to doing it.
thanks again all
sulaco1967
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Glad you have found your mojo again...looks fantastic and am looking forward to digesting the full thread tommorow...
Sean
Sean
roninpredator
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great work lee! can't wait to see a video of how it moves.
cheers!
cheers!
DAVIDYR1
Official Licensee
This is really impressive bud.
I wanted to add something with regards to the weight of the silicone, which as YOU know is NOT a problem, but strategically placed shapes of cotton fabric embedded into the silicone will prevent it from sagging under its own weight.
The most common area is simply the whole torso front and back wanting to sag down, offsetting the position of the collar bones and overall chest pulling down.
You can resolve this by pressing fabric shapes into the areas of the torso between the shoulders and neck...front and back across the seam line (on the inside of course) so that it forces the chest to stay put.
You already did the right thing by padding the biceps, so just remember that silicone will go where the weight of the material lets it go. It's up to you to lock strategic areas in place with heavy cotton imbedded into the silicone.
I read your part about the power netting, but personally I've found that to be a problem in the long run. Power netting pulls and stretches one way, silicone pulls and stretches in all directions...and eventually the netting cuts through the silicone. I suppose that will depend on the amount of stress that area has but I stopped using power netting early on in my silicone suits. Maybe here for you it'll work as needed...it's all in the 'try it and see' part of the hobby I suppose.
Great work man, and George is one the best when it comes to this sort of thing. Having him along for the ride is simply awesome.
David
I wanted to add something with regards to the weight of the silicone, which as YOU know is NOT a problem, but strategically placed shapes of cotton fabric embedded into the silicone will prevent it from sagging under its own weight.
The most common area is simply the whole torso front and back wanting to sag down, offsetting the position of the collar bones and overall chest pulling down.
You can resolve this by pressing fabric shapes into the areas of the torso between the shoulders and neck...front and back across the seam line (on the inside of course) so that it forces the chest to stay put.
You already did the right thing by padding the biceps, so just remember that silicone will go where the weight of the material lets it go. It's up to you to lock strategic areas in place with heavy cotton imbedded into the silicone.
I read your part about the power netting, but personally I've found that to be a problem in the long run. Power netting pulls and stretches one way, silicone pulls and stretches in all directions...and eventually the netting cuts through the silicone. I suppose that will depend on the amount of stress that area has but I stopped using power netting early on in my silicone suits. Maybe here for you it'll work as needed...it's all in the 'try it and see' part of the hobby I suppose.
Great work man, and George is one the best when it comes to this sort of thing. Having him along for the ride is simply awesome.
David
ptgreek
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Wow ..thanks David ..but honestly you paved the way for anyone slinging silicone. Your Bat Demon and Apocalypse were inspirations years ago. Im glad Lee fallowed that inspiration as well. its just a cool project to fallow ..So interesting how I would approach it ..and how you would approach it ..and then to see what Lee did to improvise ..encapsulating foam into area. I may have to catch up to you on the power netting. We are seeing great success with it on our masks and bodysuits. And i owe ya a phone call ..my buddy Brian approached ya at Wondercon ..want to discuss a few things with ya.
But back to this amazing suit . I really hope people take note of this thread now that they are seeing finished pics. it shows that they can think outside the box and push themselves with product that may seam scary at first. There are so many advantages to silicone. I understand the apprehension ( hell i remember the day i first mixed polyfoam) but Lee jumped in and did something that might have discouraged most in just the concept phase.
But back to this amazing suit . I really hope people take note of this thread now that they are seeing finished pics. it shows that they can think outside the box and push themselves with product that may seam scary at first. There are so many advantages to silicone. I understand the apprehension ( hell i remember the day i first mixed polyfoam) but Lee jumped in and did something that might have discouraged most in just the concept phase.
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