Silicone P1 Suit Evolution. Pg41 Hands Video 19/07/13

[Usurper]

moulding time either later today or tomorrow. B)

As i decided to use the latex P1 feet i have, i figure silicone maybe too soft and damage too easily, plus they have the shin armour between them and the skin, so it should not be spotted easily that they are a different material, plus i like them and the current lift config i have.

So i will be aiming to repaint them in the near future, so another small step towards this bloody suit.

 

[petervenkman]

moulding time either later today or tomorrow. B)

As i decided to use the latex P1 feet i have, i figure silicone maybe too soft and damage too easily, plus they have the shin armour between them and the skin, so it should not be spotted easily that they are a different material, plus i like them and the current lift config i have.

So i will be aiming to repaint them in the near future, so another small step towards this bloody suit.

Dang, I hope my predator stuff comes out as good as urs when I get my supplies.

I would be rlly interestedted in watching u make the mold... Im so new to all of this and all ur stuff comes out so perfect. MAKE A VIDEO! JK... but seriously if ur able to sometime, u should. I'd die to watch it.

 

[Usurper]

i took photos of the torso mould as i did it, the hand will be exactly the same, not sure i cando it today as i forgot to buy bolts to close it back up after, and i cannot be botherd driving 30 miles just for bolts lol.

ill see what i have available here, but i may not get around to this until friday or later now.

 

[seahunterr]

Nice work Lee! The hands turned out excellent!

 

[Usurper]

Thanks Gene.

Well doc put me off work for another 4 weeks, now the swelling has nearly gone down on my leg, there is a nice concave shape above my knee where they cut out alot if tissue apparently.
as i am in pain after walking any distance i need to stay away from prolonged periods on it. ie no work.

Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, thats my moaning done for the week.

THANKFULLY the garage is less than 100ft away, so................

here goes the hand. just going to round off the edges of the locator slots, then clear coat it before gelcoat sexy time. this was a pain in the arse to get the dividing line where i wanted it, i actually headbutted the table at one point trying to see if i had any gaps lol.

 

[troggs]

Looking forward to seeing it all finished - looking good so far.

 

[Usurper]

Well ever the honest guy.

More screw ups lol.

Ok heres what happend, 1st of all in my defense my brain is alittle frazzled of late.

BUT i chose my seam line to be near natural lines and on the seam of the glove, it was not until i turned it over i realised i was not central to hell with it eh. In my annoyance of this, i spilt my catallyst into the gelcoat i had ready, which meant it had waaaaaaaaaaaay too much, thus making the gelcoat layer crack in 2 places and warp. due to excess heat.

upon splitting the mould, there was no way in hell i was getting the life cast of my hand out. Sooooo i took a hammer and chisel to the armature, smashing it to peices ( no big deal )
Then i noticed the polyester resin had run through the crack in the gel coat and left a nasty big jagged line across 3 fingers, also the warpage had seperated the 2 halfs at the finger base, giving approx a 2mm gap.

so theres my screw ups. ( no one ever tell me i know what i am doing again )

Solutions are as follows ( i think )

Being as the mould is resin, i can just grind off the polyester resin leak thingy, and then i am thinking of using epoxy sculpt to fill the gap in the fingers and reverse sculpt the detail.

i have bolted it together for now, and hopefully i can get the clay cleaned out tomorrow and i will then post some pics of my stupidity.

 

[Philby]

Well ever the honest guy.

More screw ups lol.

Ok heres what happend, 1st of all in my defense my brain is alittle frazzled of late.

BUT i chose my seam line to be near natural lines and on the seam of the glove, it was not until i turned it over i realised i was not central to hell with it eh. In my annoyance of this, i spilt my catallyst into the gelcoat i had ready, which meant it had waaaaaaaaaaaay too much, thus making the gelcoat layer crack in 2 places and warp. due to excess heat.

upon splitting the mould, there was no way in hell i was getting the life cast of my hand out. Sooooo i took a hammer and chisel to the armature, smashing it to peices ( no big deal )
Then i noticed the polyester resin had run through the crack in the gel coat and left a nasty big jagged line across 3 fingers, also the warpage had seperated the 2 halfs at the finger base, giving approx a 2mm gap.

so theres my screw ups. ( no one ever tell me i know what i am doing again )

Solutions are as follows ( i think )

Being as the mould is resin, i can just grind off the polyester resin leak thingy, and then i am thinking of using epoxy sculpt to fill the gap in the fingers and reverse sculpt the detail.

i have bolted it together for now, and hopefully i can get the clay cleaned out tomorrow and i will then post some pics of my stupidity.

but in light of it all lee,......it does at least make us ( the freshies ) feel a bit better that **** can and will happen ,......
sucks it happened to you ,....but i must admit it makes me feel better that **** still ***** up every so often,......

gives me hope and patience,........still sorry to hear that though lee,......i bet you still figure out how to salvage them ,.....looking bad-ass as always lee,...

i'm pretty jealous ,....

 

[Usurper]

I screw up on a regular basis, and i used to throw real stress fits lol.

Now i have learnt that most stuff is fixable, just try not to make the same mistakes twice lol.

 

[Usurper]

Ok, aaaaaaall fixed ( i think )

After Dremeling down the poly resin runs inside the hand and filling the crack ( all inside blue ring ), it made me think , maybe they were what was stopping the mould butting together, and maybe it had not warped.
Sooooooooooo i drilled some new bolt holes half way down the fingers ( red dots ) and after i had cleaned out the clay , i bolted it back together, apart from the middle finger, all the joints line up fairly tight, and the middle finger has approx 0.5 of a mm gap near the base of the finger.

conclusion = i dodged a bullet i think, i will probably make a glove tomorrow so see if there are any bad areas, epoxy sculpt will be setting in the crack until tonight anyway. ( again inside the blue ring )
I also placed my hand inside the mould and put the 2 halfs together, it feels ( more manly guess work ) that there is approx a min 5mm of movement all around, bigger in some areas, which is alittle thin i guess in places, but silicone will stretch so i am really not too botherd

tomorrow i hope to get to the fun part of pouring silicone and starting the paint up

mould .

 

[troggs]

Glad you managed to fix it, good luck with the silicone.

 

[Darth Pinhead]

You know, Lee, if you want a consistent layer of silicone throughout the glove, say 1/4", why why just line both sides of the inside of the mold with 1/4" layer of clay and pour a new resin core? Like you said, the silicone will stretch. Or are you just going to paint in layers, like on the torso?

 

[Usurper]

I will not be coring the moud as i do not EXACTLY know how much room there is inside for my hand, so yes i will just be doing layers.

if i find there is plenty of room i can think about coring it then.......... if i need another hand etc.

 

[Darth Pinhead]

I guess my question is (And just throwing this out there to chew on) does it matter since silicone stretches? Or is silicone restricting enough that it will cut off blood to your fingers or make it too difficult to get the glove on your hand? Just brainstorming...

 

[Usurper]

no no, i do not think there would be any issue with circulation, or flexability.

my ONLY worry is if for some reason i make it too thick , when it is painted/put on and then stretched, the paint will look alittle odd.

but in all honesty i think that is me being overly paranoid lol, but i will stll do the brush thing tomorrow and i will take it from there.

 

[TUSKY]

Good point about the thickness vs painting issue, but yeah you are being little paranoid, it will be fine.
Stunning work on the sculpt
Thanks for airing your mistakes etc, as a community we will learn together.
I would not say "you know what you are doing", you just happen to be good at what you do???
Rock on buddy

 

[Darth Pinhead]

OK, new crazy idea to thwart your over-paranoid idea: Take your initial armature, which is your hand, put said glove over said armature, and paint accordingly. Thus, no stretching of the paint. Balls in your court; GO!

 

[ptgreek]

Lee ..I forgot ..did you sculpt over a casting of your own hand?

 

[Darth Pinhead]

Lee ..I forgot ..did you sculpt over a casting of your own hand?

He did. Post #334...

 

[ptgreek]

ha ..thanks man ..too lazy to look it up I guess ( bad mod..bad!)

Anyways ..if you are doing a brush in, once it cures ...roll that hand onto the cast..since it is a positive of your own hand, you will see the stretch ( good time to paint) ..and know the fit.

OR..hahaha...you could clean the clay off and use it as a core in your mold..even could put a nice lycra glove on it and let the silicone bond to it for strength