Sidkit and me, racprops

[benhs1898]

So guidelines in this community are not important? I'm a fairly new member here, and guidelines have helped me understand my place in this community. Without these guidelines, recastings could run rampant. There goes the hobby, business, and order.

Also, you have no idea what you are talking about when you say ripping off of the studios. The image of the prop is the intellectual property of studios, yes, but no one here is taking casts DIRECTLY off of their models. AND THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS COMMUNITY. To try to recreate what is seen. Those lucky enough to use reference material in replicas and hold licenses are lucky but are in the same business. Recreating what is seen on screen. You are showing you have no understanding of this hobby at all.

 

[AJK001]

Like I said in my post, I agree there was far more work involved in what he had to do to re-create it, than what Sid had to do to outright re-cast his. However, that dosen't make it any less morally reprehensible and i'm tired of the prop community wanting to split hairs between copying/recasting from the studio and copying/recasting from another member. People only complain because it hits close to home, like noname put "it was his bread and butter" and sid cutting into that with his recast probably angered him more than the outright fact that he copied it.

Guess what, the prop community and the RPF and other forums like it would not exist if we didn't copy the studio's work. So maybe you should be the one to get off of your high horse. I guess you have never made a copy of a Lightsaber from Star Wars or a Phaser from Star Trek. Based on what you said, all of those are wrong to do. If that were the case, we would not exist.

 

[themanwoaname]

So guidelines in this community are not important? I'm a fairly new member here, and guidelines have helped me understand my place in this community. Without these guidelines, recastings could run rampant. There goes the hobby, business, and order.

Also, you have no idea what you are talking about when you say ripping off of the studios. The image of the prop is the intellectual property of studios, yes, but no one here is taking casts DIRECTLY off of their models. AND THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS COMMUNITY. To try to recreate what is seen. Those lucky enough to use reference material in replicas and hold licenses are lucky but are in the same business. Recreating what is seen on screen. You are showing you have no understanding of this hobby at all.

i highly suggest you read more about recasting and this community. there's a laundry list of threads that explain that there's this really large grey area that benefits some only when they want it to, even though its wrong.

there's no definitive answer in regards to this community wide. if its bad its bad period across the board with out exception.

 

[Grey]

Also, you have no idea what you are talking about when you say ripping off of the studios. The image of the prop is the intellectual property of studios, yes, but no one here is taking casts DIRECTLY off of their models. AND THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS COMMUNITY. To try to recreate what is seen. Those lucky enough to use reference material in replicas and hold licenses are lucky but are in the same business. Recreating what is seen on screen. You are showing you have no understanding of this hobby at all.

As well are you, or is part of the hobby taking that replica and selling it for a personal profit? For one, there are many cases of people taking and selling casts of studio pieces, that's a seperate issue and I shouldn't have let that chip on my shoulder bleed into this arguement. However, the "point of this community" is a love for film props, and I do happen to draw a big distinction between creating something, and creating something to sell for a profit based solely on the fact that you're able to make good money from the film's popularity.

 

[benhs1898]

i highly suggest you read more about recasting and this community. there's a laundry list of threads that explain that there's this really large grey area that benefits some only when they want it to, even though its wrong.

there's no definitive answer in regards to this community wide. if its bad its bad period across the board with out exception.

Did I appear to suggest otherwise?

 

[benhs1898]

As well are you, or is part of the hobby taking that replica and selling it for a personal profit? For one, there are many cases of people taking and selling casts of studio pieces, that's a seperate issue and I shouldn't have let that chip on my shoulder bleed into this arguement. However, the "point of this community" is a love for film props, and I do happen to draw a big distinction between creating something, and creating something to sell for a profit based solely on the fact that you're able to make good money from the film's popularity.

Some people make a living off of it, yes.

But, I will leave this argument, your points merely scrape the surface of the issue, therefore I predict your comments will continue to go no where.

 

[themanwoaname]

Did I appear to suggest otherwise?

yes:

Without these guidelines, recastings could run rampant.

there are no concrete guidelines to recasting within this community other than its wrong unless it benefits someone some how in some way.

 

[Grey]

Some people make a living off of it, yes.

But, I will leave this argument, your points merely scrape the surface of the issue, therefore I predict your comments will continue to go no where.

Of course they won't. I haven't been around for long by comparison to someone like Racprops, but i've already seen a number of these threads in my short time and noone ever wants to step up and make a definitive answer. We all offer our personal point of view untill the thread spirals too far out of control and a mod is forced to step in.

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[benhs1898]

Rich , I have not read the threads , but here are my 2 blasters!
(Another opportunity to show off aswell!!!:love)
Sids above and yours below, both unfinished.
2 very different blasters. 2 very talented makers!
I can tell you at least 25 differences on these 2.

I have built both from scratch and have posted progress on yours as you know.
I have a question though, if THIS is your model and has not changed with the molds and so forth, Sids blaster is slightly bigger, grips are bigger etc.
I wont get into describing what better or not.
Just so I know , you claim he put yours in silicon ? or did he grab yours and resculpt it?
Like I said , I did not read the threads but is that what is in question?

One last thing, this pic makes me want one of these!

 

[racprops]

Well the front one is one of mine...

racprops@cox.net

Rich

 

[racprops]

Well I posted some of the rules; these are the ones I live by:

Steal from the studios..OK.

Steal from other model makers not OK.

All prop/models makers in this hobby, no one is getting rich doing this and some barely cover their costs, so ripping off a fellow model maker hurts him and us, because many great model makers no longer will make models for sale due to the rip offs.

Recasting a studio made models is OK. They made millions off it with the film and up to now did not offer any kind of prop reproductions, only real crappy toys. If no one is making any then we can and we are/will do no real harm.

Recasting a long dead no longer in production older model is kind of OK, it is nicer to get a permission slip..

It is a start.

Rich

 

[rollerboi]

i'm tired of the prop community wanting to split hairs between copying/recasting from the studio and copying/recasting from another member.

seriously, how do you people so completely miss the mark?

there's no definitive answer in regards to this community wide. if its bad its bad period across the board with out exception.

It _is_ bad across the board, we just have the random people who like to get into the semantics and technicalities to justify their way into doing anything they damn well please. what they don't realize is that the silent majority is looking down upon them and judging them. these threads are always good for helping bring out the people who.. don't understand, to put it that way.

 

[Firefoxm31]

So if what I'm reading is true about the manufacturer of the working gun, not prop for a film, then original studios recast the Steyer too then... yes? to make the final prop for Blade Runner??? bet they cast it as well for stunt versions me thinks it's been done this way for decades...

 

[Onigiri]

Here it is plain and simple. If you dont like THIS community's stance on recasting go away because youre not wanted here. Dont let the door hit you on the way out. Im tired of seeing the same newbs CONSTANTLY chiming in about how nebulous and immoral it is and going after folks who were pros in this business when they were in diapers.
Again, If you dont like how we do things here then get out. We were having this discussion long before you poked your heads in here and grey area or not its how this community polices itself and we dont need some FOB newbs coming in here thinking they know better then those who ESTABLISHED this community. Youre not scoring points here. Youre not giving anyone an epiphany. We know who and what we are here and if youre going to stand up and defend the actions of of 'recasters' youre persona non grata. Manwoaname...you just cant seem to help but be ground zero on the wrong side of just about every thread like this so Im directing this at you: we dont want to hear your backhanded justifications of recasting any more. This isnt a free speech issue as this is a private forum with its own set of guidelines and Im sorry you dont get enough attention at home but there's a whole lot of us that are really tired of your attitude. I will re-iterate (and no, we cant just be friends)...if you dont like it then leave. Youre a borderline troll at best.

 

[Grey]

If you dont like how we do things here then get out.

How dare you have opinions! Oh well, you get points in my book for being a no BS person.

 

[themanwoaname]

Here it is plain and simple. If you dont like THIS community's stance on recasting go away because youre not wanted here. Dont let the door hit you on the way out. Im tired of seeing the same newbs CONSTANTLY chiming in about how nebulous and immoral it is and going after folks who were pros in this business when they were in diapers.
Again, If you dont like how we do things here then get out. We were having this discussion long before you poked your heads in here and grey area or not its how this community polices itself and we dont need some FOB newbs coming in here thinking they know better then those who ESTABLISHED this community. Youre not scoring points here. Youre not giving anyone an epiphany. We know who and what we are here and if youre going to stand up and defend the actions of of 'recasters' youre persona non grata. Manwoaname...you just cant seem to help but be ground zero on the wrong side of just about every thread like this so Im directing this at you: we dont want to hear your backhanded justifications of recasting any more. This isnt a free speech issue as this is a private forum with its own set of guidelines and Im sorry you dont get enough attention at home but there's a whole lot of us that are really tired of your attitude. I will re-iterate (and no, we cant just be friends)...if you dont like it then leave. Youre a borderline troll at best.

here it is plain and simple.

you have heavy hands and are a very angry person. you threaten people outside of the comforts of the internet. you constantly flail the "ive been around here longer" card, but dont grasp that someone can be "new" to a message board, but not a hobby. i suggest you grasp a heavier sense of reality than the one you've created for yourself and get off my back.

being that you have been here longer, maybe you can explain why THIS community's stance on recasting is very VERY vague? or should i expect another massive blob of text where you angrily call me a newb and i should be put in my place?

 

[KramStaar]

….. and in the end this fight ALWAYS ends up in a war…

I rest my case…. :lol


Take it easy everyone

Regards

MARK

 

[Mercury]

you constantly flail the "ive been around here longer" card, but dont grasp that someone can be "new" to a message board, but not a hobby.

Let's face facts, you have never hesitated to throw your opinion out there as if it was law and your response to anyone that disagreed with you was all about your low post count and how you may be new but not to the hobby. In just a couple of months you have established yourself as very opinionated and shown exactly what you think of some of the longstanding guidelines of this community. Still, even being an old hand in the hobby as you say, you haven't heard of any of Coyle's work and from what I can tell, really don't know much about Siderio. Even outside the RPF both are well known in the prop world and I don't quite understand how that's possible for someone who has been involved for any length of time.

 

[themanwoaname]

Let's face facts, you have never hesitated to throw your opinion out there as if it was law and your response to anyone that disagreed with you was all about your low post count and how you may be new but not to the hobby.

my opinion isnt law, its an opinion. i wouldnt have to say im not new to the hobby as its implied that im completely new to the concept of prop replicas, which on more than one occasion it has been by people with delusions that people cant do their own thing before joining. ive encountered that frame of mind on other sites im a member of. i understand ive posted in recast threads, im trying to grasp what it is, that makes it wrong in one example and right in another, but i have recieved no definitive answer, and this very thread explains yet again, how one person can clearly make money recasting a very expensive piece with rave reviews, yet someone else that makes the same piece in the 50 dollar price range is instigated into arguement at a convention.

Still, even being an old hand in the hobby as you say, you haven't heard of any of Coyle's work and from what I can tell, really don't know much about Siderio. Even outside the RPF both are well known in the prop world and I don't quite understand how that's possible for someone who has been involved for any length of time.

ive mentioned before in this thread ive heard of sidkit before(i didnt mention that i was looking into one, which i have in the past), and asked why ive heard more about him, which were very good things, and next to nothing about racprops. there has to be a very good reason why a recaster would be getting plenty of press and rave reviews next to the guy that made the first one ever right?

 

[jarvis]

So those of you who don't think that recasting a prop if it is made out of pre-existing objects is wrong would have no problem recasting a member of the prop forums items(as long as they are made out of pre-existing items)?