Sideshow for full size C3PO and R2

<div class='quotetop'>(Zottig @ Jul 20 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1284599[/snapback]</div>
TheyÂ’ve chosen to play the game this way so all commentary on the quality of the product based on prototype images is in MY mind fair game.


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I completely agree. Don't show a crappy prototype to reel the customers in. Get it right before you start advertising.

Bill
 
Exactly, dont show something that isnt close to your final product - then take issue with any following criticism.

Lame.
 
Nonetheless, Chris brings up a good point...

Has Sideshow ever altered or improved on a prototype prior to actual retail release?

If so, then perhaps some optimism can be retained.

Also, some of these comments here lean more towards the emotional side, and less on the constructive criticism side, (some -- not all).

Does Sideshow monitor the RPF?

Rather than simply saying, "It looks like crap.", how about focusing on observations, recommendations, suggestions, requests (as some posts here do)...?


OK -- let the flogging begin. :p
 
<div class='quotetop'>(PHArchivist @ Jul 20 2006, 02:50 PM) [snapback]1284611[/snapback]</div>
Also, some of these comments here lean more towards the emotional side, and less on the constructive criticism side, (some -- not all).
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I think there are a number of people, at least in the unofficial C-3PO and R2 worlds who have a lot of unspoken concern regarding this development. It’s funny because in all the discussion today, nobody has yet come out and asked the question that I’ll bet is on everyone’s mind… “does mean they’re going to come shut us all down?”

ItÂ’s almost as if asking the question frightens people. You donÂ’t have to be Force sensitive to feel it though.

I mean George Lucas visited the R2Builder's room at CIII. It's not a secret that people make their own R2. TheyÂ’ve always been higher quality than Lucas could EVER produce and sell profitably as a collectable. Every time a licensed replica idea came up, everyone pointed to the Don Post debacle. The cost to make them was too high and they didnÂ’t sell well. Up until now there has been a little confidence because it always seemed implausible that a full-scale replica would ever be a viable licensed offering. Apparently someone felt they could make the numbers work. Perhaps the Star Wars kids are now thought to be making big enough bucks.

The QUESTION isÂ… will any unofficial activity be seen as a threat to an official product? Would drastic (and in my opinion short-sighted) action be taken to "protect the licensee"? Could they finally be closed down? Could GeorgeÂ’s visit have caused him to realize that people MIGHT spend lots of money for full-scale characters?

I mean arguably the benefit from looking the other way on things like trooper armor and the 501st was more of a beneficial business arrangement for a long time. In return for more-or-less looking the other way, he got free costumes and people falling over themselves to volunteer for his promotion activitiesÂ… Far more profitable to allow it than the few sheckles heÂ’d get from licensing a suit of armor that might only sell a few due to the harsh economics of the high-end collectables market.

At one point the hammer fell on Stormtrooper armor and to my knowledge there wasnÂ’t even an official offering to compete.

ItÂ’s a fine dance where one desires to remain as low to the radar as possible.

IÂ’ll use an analogyÂ… Just this week, Microsoft bought a very useful website (www.sysinternals.com) that offers many useful tools to the IT world for free. Guess what the tech worldÂ’s reaction was upon hearing the news. Well the site was VERY busy as people grabbed everything they could before Microsoft got a chance to either close it down or censor what was being offered.

LetÂ’s just say if you want to build your own R2 IÂ’d smuggle out the plans before the blockade.


Ben
 
If Fred Barton is going to be involved these will not be cheap.

It will be interesting to see what happens with these.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(apollo @ Jul 20 2006, 04:06 PM) [snapback]1284666[/snapback]</div>
If Fred Barton is going to be involved these will not be cheap.

It will be interesting to see what happens with these.
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You know I wondered about that... he may just be involved in the sculpt/design. These still might be made in China.

Ben
 
<div class='quotetop'>(Zottig @ Jul 20 2006, 03:17 PM) [snapback]1284678[/snapback]</div>
You know I wondered about that... he may just be involved in the sculpt/design. These still might be made in China.

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That's what I don't get... what's to sculpt?? Either you're making authentic replicas or you're making life sized Clone Wars Cartoon figures... The only art involved seems to be that paint job on threepio...and that's not exactly authentic.

I realize the $12,000 or whatever they wanted for the DP 3PO was out of everyone's league, but it was an authentic replica and could make that claim pretty honestly.
 
I would have much rather seen a life size cartoon'd R2 than this... I mean, with as big of an R2 fan as I am (you'd understand if you saw my collection) I wouldn't pay more than 2K for one of these even if I could afford it.
 
The Threepio head looks like the one they used in the Endor scenes from ROTJ - something very weird there size wise. Compare them to the earlier Jabba's palace scenes. I think it has something to do with the chrome being all covered up. Having no reflective areas does make it appear overall bigger. There are no dark reflections to subtract from the overall silhouette of the head.
http://www.jeffcohost.com/~tk409/c3po/ROTJ/.screencaps

At C3 I sat down and spoke with Howard Roffman, president of Lucas Licensing about the 501st thing vs licensed life-sized trooper staues and I think (hope) it applies to Threepio and R2. On the one hand, you have scores of unlicensed trooper armor being sold, on the other, you have LFL using the 501st for all their official events. How does that work? He replied, "we love the 501st and all they do for us. We allow trooper armor to be produced as long as there's no profit being made."

Plus, if you're LFL, you can't stock a room full of licensed trooper statues at your official events and expect to have the same impact with fans. The same goes for Threepio and R2 (again, I hope). I know the R2Builders offer parts at cost, without profit, to club members. I do the same thing with my Threepio parts. And in the very, very near future, I'll be able to share why I think LFL will feel the same way toward Threepio builders.

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Yeah right, no profit being made? You actually believe that? :lol

There is plenty of profit being made just selling internally rather than openly selling to fans. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.

Glad you are able to sell your 3p0 parts, but I also dont think you are doing it "at cost". It's an insult to everyone to even say that. Do you mean your "supplier" is doing everything at zero profit???
 
I'm not saying trooper armor is being sold at cost. I have no idea the expense of making trooper or R2 parts. I'm only quoting what H.R. said. However, I am saying how I offer the 3po parts. I know what it costs me to supply the parts. I pay my workers to make them, they buy the materials and that's part of my cost. Also, I don't appreciate you publicly accusing me of lying when I've been completely open about my project in the public forum from day one. If you can make them cheaper, go for it. All the better for the fans.
 
Here is what I do not understand.

WHY Fred Barton?

Am I correct in understanding that he has had NOTHING to do with Star Wars aside from creating his own fan made droids?

In that respect isn't he no different from the members of the various Droid Builders groups. Worse yet, I'd think he is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to detailed knowledge of the droid and its features.

I could name 5 people out there in an instant that have more knowlege and actual experience when it comes to making a high quality astromech replica (and my name is nowhere on that list).

Worse yet, I AM worried about the copyright aspects of these robots if FB is involved. IIRC he was pretty heavily involved in going after fan builders of the Robby Robot from Forbidden Planet since he was the licensee. Will we see a similar action now that he's involved with these Star Wars?

Makes me glad I'm not too involved in R2's any longer.

-Gary
 
I know 3po very very well (particularly ANH). Did I mention very well ? And these pics are indeed crappy and small. But at a glance I'd still have to say that these figures look decent. Not perfect, but not "terrible". I don't know how you guys can see them clearly enough to be so finite on their inaccuracies? The finish on 3po is pretty bad...

This is certainly not my ideal 3po, but neither are any others I've seen yet (no offense).

<div class='quotetop'>(hyperdyne @ Jul 20 2006, 09:46 AM) [snapback]1284534[/snapback]</div>
IMO the 3p0 looks terrible. WTF did they use as a reference???
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I think they look pretty good. I don't have a detailed knowledge of the droids, like I do some Sabers, but I know most of the features (at least most of the big features). The finish on C-3PO would have to be the shiny gold-chrome.

I have wanted a life-sized R2 and C-3PO forever, and the prices on the Don Post have always been too high. I don't have the time/energy/money/knowledge to build them myself, so it was either buy the Don Post versions or buy a fan made/super accurate/super high price because it was fan made and super accurate.

If these droids were in my living room at my house, anyone who came over would say, "Awesome, you have those robots from Star Wars .. That is so cool .."........ and thats good enough for me.

If the price is right, I might consider picking them up.
 
Well that is where we disagree. The 3p0 looks way off, the head is huge.

I also know ANH c3p0 pretty well. Did I mention that already? ;) I suppose if a copy off an original ANH suit is not good enough for you, so be it. I enjoy mine.... :D



<div class='quotetop'>(Ghost Host @ Jul 20 2006, 05:30 PM) [snapback]1284775[/snapback]</div>
I know 3po very very well (particularly ANH). Did I mention very well ? And these pics are indeed crappy and small. But at a glance I'd still have to say that these figures look decent. Not perfect, but not "terrible". I don't know how you guys can see them clearly enough to be so finite on their inaccuracies? The finish on 3po is pretty bad...

This is certainly not my ideal 3po, but neither are any others I've seen yet (no offense).

<div class='quotetop'>(hyperdyne @ Jul 20 2006, 09:46 AM) [snapback]1284534[/snapback]
IMO the 3p0 looks terrible. WTF did they use as a reference???
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As you should. It's a nice figure.
But from your photos, a few of your figure's body parts are not quite 100% either. I'm also talking about the finish/details/pose, etc. Yours is certainly nice, just not quite where I want mine.

<div class='quotetop'>(hyperdyne @ Jul 20 2006, 05:02 PM) [snapback]1284792[/snapback]</div>
Well that is where we disagree. The 3p0 looks way off, the head is huge.

I also know ANH c3p0 pretty well. Did I mention that already? ;) I suppose if a copy off an original ANH suit is not good enough for you, so be it. I enjoy mine.... :D

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<div class='quotetop'>(PHArchivist @ Jul 20 2006, 02:50 PM) [snapback]1284611[/snapback]</div>
Nonetheless, Chris brings up a good point...

Has Sideshow ever altered or improved on a prototype prior to actual retail release?

If so, then perhaps some optimism can be retained.


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Actually this has happened in the past. The most notable I would say was the 1/4 Luke PF. I know several still think it is not up to par, but the face sculpt changed significantly between final product and first shown proto at the con. This change was at least partially based on all of the criticism seen on the boards.
 
That may be, I never said mine was 100% accurate (if you can even achieve that level of accuracy with all the different pieces used and the fact the real ANH suit is nonexistent- which is another story). But when George Lucas himself oogles over my 3p0 that is certainly "accurate" enough for me. :D

I understand you want "more", good for you. But bashing everyone else's with a superior attitude is pretty lame, all the while trumping up your vaporware suit. It appears your level of analness and elitism transcends typical logic. :rolleyes



<div class='quotetop'>(Ghost Host @ Jul 20 2006, 10:50 PM) [snapback]1284961[/snapback]</div>
As you should. It's a nice figure.
But from your photos, a few of your figure's body parts are not quite 100% either. I'm also talking about the finish/details/pose, etc. Yours is certainly nice, just not quite where I want mine.

<div class='quotetop'>(hyperdyne @ Jul 20 2006, 05:02 PM) [snapback]1284792[/snapback]
Well that is where we disagree. The 3p0 looks way off, the head is huge.

I also know ANH c3p0 pretty well. Did I mention that already? ;) I suppose if a copy off an original ANH suit is not good enough for you, so be it. I enjoy mine.... :D

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