I've seen a picture of the collar laying flat and it is pretty much square at the tips. Any apparent distortion is simply from distressing, the strap pulling it in, or simply the angle of the camera.
Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!
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CountLau
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Hi Indy, could you please recall the pic you mean on the forum? is it from a movie coat, newer, or something from the propstore I missed? just curious
Mechanismo
Sr Member
Well, with respect, the overwhelming body of visual evidence suggests otherwise. I think chalking everything up to being deceived by distressing and camera angles is a stretch, frankly.
SCREENS
Active Member
It looks like this sweater was washed on the 'standard cycle', together with the t-**** long sleeve — they made a huge mistake, ruining a legendary piece, sigh... Now the 'lucky buyer' who bid over $1000 will get a size S at best (maybe M-), lol. I’ve often come across items like this at flea markets (everywhere), and you really need to be careful with the size, especially if the sweater isn’t new; it’s better to double-check the measurements.
This is from the 2015 collection, and it’s hard to believe how much time has passed...
I still have one last size L (Ryan Gosling’s size, check out the James Perse L long sleeve), like new and never washed, stored in a tomb with proper care for 5 or even 6 years, haha,
which I’m ready to tear away from my heart <3.
This is from the 2015 collection, and it’s hard to believe how much time has passed...
I still have one last size L (Ryan Gosling’s size, check out the James Perse L long sleeve), like new and never washed, stored in a tomb with proper care for 5 or even 6 years, haha,
which I’m ready to tear away from my heart <3.
NoahSimpson
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I think it's incredibly unlikely that propstore washed this at all, that would have been the costume department on the film or sony. But given the unwashed condition of all the other pieces in the auction, it doubt it was anyone other than the costume department.
Someone I know was able to study one of the original coats closely and I saw images of this coat (which is hard to say definitively, but I don't think is the same one as in the PropStore auction). So, it's absolutely possible there were small variations from one to the next. Perhaps the hero coat does have a slightly angled cut on the collar (whether it is deliberate or not is another question).
CountLau
Sr Member
It seems the point has come when a tipical italian would say "butta la pasta" (put the pasta in the pot...ready to cook)...which would mean, at this point, anything goes...the only way to figure how those props actually are, it's really manage to get access and appointment, take a plane, and that's it.
Dunno if it's right to say they washed that sweater or not, but it looks like a recent 90°C cycle result indeed
it seems so shrinked, poor garment, you were such a great piece
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Fettastic
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Mechanismo I own a soul revolver 2049 coat and the stitching on mine is a direct match in color to the fabric, it isn't lighter at all. What I think you're seeing is reflection of light on the thread, because it's a shiny material, not flat. This makes it difficult finding extra top stitching thread, because the color of the coat is very unique. It's a dark green leaning towards a slightly blue hue. Very unique.
I will say after looking at the photo's of the prop store jackets, the thread on the original coats definitely seem to me to be darker than the coat fabric, possibly even black. Which would make sense for the theory that they made the coats with black material then painted them green, with weathering processes it is in my experience raised pieces of material (for example the stitching) will be the first to wear, and reveal it's true undercoat color, which would be black. Just a theory though.
sonic63098
New Member
Hey, guys! Just spent the last week playing catch up and reading all of these comments and replies. I'm looking to finally pull the trigger on one of these jackets, particularly either the ESL/BEP or WSL options. I love the way Jameel's coat captures a lot of the tiny, accurate details, but it seems it's more on the "lightweight" side, where as the WSL seems a bit more like it could function as an actual coat. You see, I'm a stickler for details, but I'm an even bigger stickler for actual practicality and functionality. I know none of these coats perfectly encapsulate the jacket on screen, but I'd love to try and get as close to the real deal as possible while having something I could actually wear in the cold. From what I gathered, the WSL may be the best bet in that case, but I'm still curious how Jameel's coat would hold up, and if there's any possible way it can be ordered to be a bit heftier. Its more accurate collar certainly makes it a heavy contender, which is why im hoping there's some mods that can be commissioned at checkout to make it better suited for the cold while keep those accurate details. The coating on the fabric won't be an issue for me; I have the Flint and Tinder jacket Pedro Pascal wore in The Last of Us and have re-coated the wax once, so attempting to wax a bigger jacket seems like a fun hurdle to tackle. I think both jackets look fantastic, but i really want it to be practical and not just a cosplay prop. WSL's price is certainly appealing, and if it wears more like an actual coat then I may be willing to try (key word there) and order from them with the custom collar mods. But I truly love that Jameel's nails a lot of the details, so if it could possibly be bulked up it'd be perfect! So which option/route would be best for me? Any recommendations or feedback would be a huge hand in helping me narrow down a choice!
I put down an order with ELS, emailed Jameel about adding a bigger curved collar, sent him photos of propstore coat as well as some pics from members here about the collar issue. Lots of nice details of the coat thanks to propstore and rpf members. I heard it fell on deaf ears when this info was sent to Jameel.Hey, guys! Just spent the last week playing catch up and reading all of these comments and replies. I'm looking to finally pull the trigger on one of these jackets, particularly either the ESL/BEP or WSL options. I love the way Jameel's coat captures a lot of the tiny, accurate details, but it seems it's more on the "lightweight" side, where as the WSL seems a bit more like it could function as an actual coat. You see, I'm a stickler for details, but I'm an even bigger stickler for actual practicality and functionality. I know none of these coats perfectly encapsulate the jacket on screen, but I'd love to try and get as close to the real deal as possible while having something I could actually wear in the cold. From what I gathered, the WSL may be the best bet in that case, but I'm still curious how Jameel's coat would hold up, and if there's any possible way it can be ordered to be a bit heftier. Its more accurate collar certainly makes it a heavy contender, which is why im hoping there's some mods that can be commissioned at checkout to make it better suited for the cold while keep those accurate details. The coating on the fabric won't be an issue for me; I have the Flint and Tinder jacket Pedro Pascal wore in The Last of Us and have re-coated the wax once, so attempting to wax a bigger jacket seems like a fun hurdle to tackle. I think both jackets look fantastic, but i really want it to be practical and not just a cosplay prop. WSL's price is certainly appealing, and if it wears more like an actual coat then I may be willing to try (key word there) and order from them with the custom collar mods. But I truly love that Jameel's nails a lot of the details, so if it could possibly be bulked up it'd be perfect! So which option/route would be best for me? Any recommendations or feedback would be a huge hand in helping me narrow down a choice!
I ordered a custom sized 2049 coat with improved updates on collar. I have provided my accurate measurements, propstore auction photos, rpf members photos.
I am a repeating customer of ELS. I do love my coats from him. I only use it for mainly for costuming.
Have you sent Jameel a email about your question? He’s always replied back to my questions. Good customer service. He’s posted an update on the fallout suit threadz
I’d email WSL as well. I haven’t dealt with them.
Tagging Jameel Ur to see the thread updates whenever he can.
My 2049 coat from BEP small collar and tight on the arms. Fabric quality is excellent for costuming.
My 2019 coat I bought recently from ELS is so nice fits perfectly I like it! One issue is the identical accidental cuts/slits on sleeve cuff ribbing fabric. Perfect replica coat for costuming. I don’t think for real world use. Thin fabric.
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CountLau
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I bought a BEP coat in laminated (PU/spandex-like) dark twill, then twisted it myself, originally it was decently warm to me, but I made strongly quilted since the lining deteriorated quickly, even well before my mad experiments on the coat.Hey, guys! Just spent the last week playing catch up and reading all of these comments and replies. I'm looking to finally pull the trigger on one of these jackets, particularly either the ESL/BEP or WSL options. I love the way Jameel's coat captures a lot of the tiny, accurate details, but it seems it's more on the "lightweight" side, where as the WSL seems a bit more like it could function as an actual coat. You see, I'm a stickler for details, but I'm an even bigger stickler for actual practicality and functionality. I know none of these coats perfectly encapsulate the jacket on screen, but I'd love to try and get as close to the real deal as possible while having something I could actually wear in the cold. From what I gathered, the WSL may be the best bet in that case, but I'm still curious how Jameel's coat would hold up, and if there's any possible way it can be ordered to be a bit heftier. Its more accurate collar certainly makes it a heavy contender, which is why im hoping there's some mods that can be commissioned at checkout to make it better suited for the cold while keep those accurate details. The coating on the fabric won't be an issue for me; I have the Flint and Tinder jacket Pedro Pascal wore in The Last of Us and have re-coated the wax once, so attempting to wax a bigger jacket seems like a fun hurdle to tackle. I think both jackets look fantastic, but i really want it to be practical and not just a cosplay prop. WSL's price is certainly appealing, and if it wears more like an actual coat then I may be willing to try (key word there) and order from them with the custom collar mods. But I truly love that Jameel's nails a lot of the details, so if it could possibly be bulked up it'd be perfect! So which option/route would be best for me? Any recommendations or feedback would be a huge hand in helping me narrow down a choice!
Now it's too much aged effect but for now I'm keeping it, it has its own nice style, but also not fixable flaws (shortness of the collar and longitudinal length first of all).
I guess WSL is warm and solid enough, but that said, I also have a SR.
SR cotton is way more solid of my BEP (dunno if you choose BEP standard duck, if it's better for harsh weather, sturdiness, durability, or not), however, its quiliting was really quality and quite warm, but not what I'd consider the very top choice for winter cold protection, but after 3 hands of extra waxing with Otter and other waxes, I reached a very definitive and satisfactory result, also for withstanding the weather and any kind of use I could reasonably undergone with it.
Considering all the doubts raised even in the videos of Adam Savage and various professionals, one thing I'd like to see implemented by the sellers you mention (but also SR) is not to be poor in the length of the collar, and often also with regards to the longitudinal length, that is, it would cost nothing, and it could then let the owner eventually make or have those lenghts corrected, having room for the job if needed. And that would l concern both SA details, and practicality, if we want.
But for now I will wait and see, I have spent a lot andI could even settle very well, or I will have to be certain and maybe even regaining some income by selling my coats, if I wanted to try my hand at other purchases.
Good luck
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Blade
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I originally had a WSL coat and now I've had my BEP coat for about a year once I realized I wanted something a little more fine tuned to the movie. The WSL coat is definitely a heavier material and bulkier coat but some things to keep in mind are that it's more of a stark green color, its shearling is kinda rough and unpleasant, and a lot of the little details aren't quite there (magnets and collar adjustments and such, even if you ask the communication is very poor).Hey, guys! Just spent the last week playing catch up and reading all of these comments and replies. I'm looking to finally pull the trigger on one of these jackets, particularly either the ESL/BEP or WSL options. I love the way Jameel's coat captures a lot of the tiny, accurate details, but it seems it's more on the "lightweight" side, where as the WSL seems a bit more like it could function as an actual coat. You see, I'm a stickler for details, but I'm an even bigger stickler for actual practicality and functionality. I know none of these coats perfectly encapsulate the jacket on screen, but I'd love to try and get as close to the real deal as possible while having something I could actually wear in the cold. From what I gathered, the WSL may be the best bet in that case, but I'm still curious how Jameel's coat would hold up, and if there's any possible way it can be ordered to be a bit heftier. Its more accurate collar certainly makes it a heavy contender, which is why im hoping there's some mods that can be commissioned at checkout to make it better suited for the cold while keep those accurate details. The coating on the fabric won't be an issue for me; I have the Flint and Tinder jacket Pedro Pascal wore in The Last of Us and have re-coated the wax once, so attempting to wax a bigger jacket seems like a fun hurdle to tackle. I think both jackets look fantastic, but i really want it to be practical and not just a cosplay prop. WSL's price is certainly appealing, and if it wears more like an actual coat then I may be willing to try (key word there) and order from them with the custom collar mods. But I truly love that Jameel's nails a lot of the details, so if it could possibly be bulked up it'd be perfect! So which option/route would be best for me? Any recommendations or feedback would be a huge hand in helping me narrow down a choice!
BEP is a lot better on color and most accurate on design imo. Whether you go with either of the two options he offers (although I think he was cutting off the laminated option that Count had, so if you want that one you might need to see if it's still available). Otherwise the standard material is a nice greenish/gray/blue. I think my only complaint with the BEP coat is the shearling is a very strong almost dark tan type color, so I've been meaning to try to weather it and make it more of a darker brown but I get too nervous and never do it. Also the inside lining doesn't feel as robust as WSL but all the cons I go to are in the summer so I can't even complain.
SoulRevolver is another option if you want to pay a premium. I think its color is the most accurate and the build quality is probably the best. So you get what you pay for. But, it is not tailored to you, which meant I couldn't even buy one to fit my body type and they didn't answer my email, and it is also wildly inaccurate in design and the shearling looks like a carpet floor.
Hope these help.
sonic63098
New Member
Thanks for the tips guys! Shot an email to Jameel so I'll find out if the jacket can be bulked up
Also saw this video about the propstore jackets was uploaded recently!
It doesn't say anything brand new (despite a contradiction to the Adam Savage video where the coat is said to NOT be waxed) but it's nice to see the coat under different lighting.
Also saw this video about the propstore jackets was uploaded recently!
It doesn't say anything brand new (despite a contradiction to the Adam Savage video where the coat is said to NOT be waxed) but it's nice to see the coat under different lighting.
CountLau
Sr Member
If I understood well, that guy said "it's like waxed canvas, but not wax...it seems very hi-tech..."Thanks for the tips guys! Shot an email to Jameel so I'll find out if the jacket can be bulked up
Also saw this video about the propstore jackets was uploaded recently!
It doesn't say anything brand new (despite a contradiction to the Adam Savage video where the coat is said to NOT be waxed) but it's nice to see the coat under different lighting.
Yesterday I started do some tries with airbrush and acrylics on other garments I wanted to tweak: I'm anyone but an expert, but I'm figuring it's very difficult to come out with a final result which is basically the same visual effect of a Barbour wax coating, but using those methods...it's actually something that would be more of definitive solution, possibly also washable low cycle, but without being me the one of the costume designers and not having knowledge enough, regardless of the commitment you can spend...at today, I'm not believing I could have a better result of the one I had in my coats, just working my skills and means without a real pro from the set who possibly comes and learn me the proper way.
Eventually, in this terrific review, I see exactly the effect I was looking for the coat, and compared to Adam Savage's vid, I see those coats reflecting a clearer tone, especially if compared to the pics, which are also illuminating but don't give me the same great insight...at the moment I can just settle on my SR, I also reconsidered the non-SA fur, I find it nice, but it's just my personal opinion and taste about that...also my BEP is nice (maybe is going to part ways with me if at the right price), but the result I reached on my SR, in person, I see practically the same I see in this wonderful vid, I now believe I can just cherish it, and for any other offer for upgraded coat and thoughts about selling all my coat, at today I just have to take a rain check, I won't do anything more if I'm not 100% sure the result will fully satisfy me
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Hi Jameel good work on your coats!
Pointing some things out on your coat.
The collar is almost there. Collar has to be a bit more funnel shaped. Needs to be longer and curved on the top side), and the bottom with a larger seamline pattern.
The coat's overlapping panel is more double-breasted. it does not close straight down the middle at the waist area, but further over. Looks on a angle length-wise.
Shape of the cuffs, need to be addressed. If you look at the propstore coat photos of the cuffs, it has a stylised curvature. The shape curvature of your cuff is not accurate.
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Blade
New Member
This coat will always be the same as the white and gold/blue and black dress from a few years ago to me. I can see it in a thousand videos and photos and different lights and still can't tell what color it is. It's like someone asked if it's green, aqua, gray, or black and the person responded "yes."Thanks for the tips guys! Shot an email to Jameel so I'll find out if the jacket can be bulked up
Also saw this video about the propstore jackets was uploaded recently!
It doesn't say anything brand new (despite a contradiction to the Adam Savage video where the coat is said to NOT be waxed) but it's nice to see the coat under different lighting.
I think even if I had $50k+ laying around and won the auction and held one in my hands I'd still be unsure.
Fettastic
Well-Known Member
Jameel,
I love your 2049 Jacket design. It has a lot of details that I think all the enthusiasts appreciate.
One thing that I will point as maybe an easy adjustment to be more accurate would be the "V" connection of the fabric at the front needs to come up maybe 1-2 or maybe even 3 inches, as well as the pockets respectively. From a ratio standpoint yours is right about at the halfway point settling right at the hip where as the screen jacket settles more above the hip.
I would also love to see a more angled taper at the bottom of the jacket where as it seems slightly longer at the front then the back.
I would love to see some new photos with the collar down.
With these alterations, I think I would really consider placing an order through you for a jacket.
