Larry Young
Master Member
Exactly.
Rise of the Planet of the Apes first look
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Exactly.
So YOU haven't even read the novel and you are lecturing us on the similarlity between it and the Burton film. Based on what someone else TOLD you.
Wow.
Really?!?!?
Larry Young
Master Member
Slave1
Sr Member
Sorry, if I misunderstood, but since you suggested I must not have read the book because if I had I would have known the Burton film was a closer adaptation, I assumed you had some sort of basis for your opinion.
The book would have made for an interesting straight adaptation, but honestly, I think the story of the first film was actually more engaging than the novel.
Slave1
Sr Member
It reminds me of the story where Charlie Chaplin snuck into a Charlie Chaplin look-alike contest. And lost.
darthgordon
Sr Member
I'm confused... so this will not be connected to the Burton travesty, nor the original movies... and obviously no connection to the book as the original didn't take place on Earth. Yet, we still use the same name "Ceasar" from Conquest of the Planet of the Apes... Oh boy, I'm confused :wacko
JiminSTLouis
Master Member
It sounds like it's going to be a lot like "Conquest", only humans create the smart apes through genetic engineering.
Slave1
Sr Member
Yes, it sounds sort of like they will be doing a remake of Conquest, but using it as a prequel.
Consider this, though. In one of the films (I think "Escape") Cornelius explains the history of how apes came to rule over humans. The apes were slaves, but there came a day when an ape said a word that had been said to him time and time again: "No."
Forget that Cornelius' knowledge of this contradicts the first flm where there is no public knowledge of a time when apes didn't always rule, there is an Aldo in Conquest and in Battle. If Caesar hadn't been there to jump the gun and lead the revolution, Aldo would have. Essentially, Caesar changed the history which would have been had things been left to Aldo.
Consider this, though. In one of the films (I think "Escape") Cornelius explains the history of how apes came to rule over humans. The apes were slaves, but there came a day when an ape said a word that had been said to him time and time again: "No."
Forget that Cornelius' knowledge of this contradicts the first flm where there is no public knowledge of a time when apes didn't always rule, there is an Aldo in Conquest and in Battle. If Caesar hadn't been there to jump the gun and lead the revolution, Aldo would have. Essentially, Caesar changed the history which would have been had things been left to Aldo.
I like it when these kind of things show that if something is to happen it will happen. I think Cornelius probably heard more about the past from Zaius who i am betting knew a ton of stuff about humans. It might have been vague but it would still be enough to scare humans. I just hope this won't be as bad as the Burton one. I'd really rather he'd followed the book totally and his actually has one of the apes leaving the planet in the 2nd pod. it showed it in the insert art in the one i had.
Slave1
Sr Member
Zaius definitely did know more than what was public knowledge.
There was no public knowledge of humans ever being in the driver's seat in the first couple of films. And yet, in a later film, Cornelius is talking about the day that came, "which is commemorated by my people," that an ape had said "No."
I'm paraphrasing there, but it's definitely a contradiction to the storyline. People don't celebrate things they don't know about.
There was no public knowledge of humans ever being in the driver's seat in the first couple of films. And yet, in a later film, Cornelius is talking about the day that came, "which is commemorated by my people," that an ape had said "No."
I'm paraphrasing there, but it's definitely a contradiction to the storyline. People don't celebrate things they don't know about.
darthgordon
Sr Member
:lol Are you sure about that? Ask anyone about the history behind most of our holidays, and I'll bet 80% of the people that celebrate them would either be wrong or would have no idea.
Even our own historical facts are a bit in conflict over various holidays, historical figures and traditions.
Slave1
Sr Member
I mean you have to have to be aware of a holiday in order to celebrate it.
If Cornelius said this was a big deal for my people when we broke away from slavery, but in an earlier film they're saying, "What? There's never been a human that could speak. That's sacreligious," that's a big contradiction.
If Cornelius said this was a big deal for my people when we broke away from slavery, but in an earlier film they're saying, "What? There's never been a human that could speak. That's sacreligious," that's a big contradiction.
IndyFanChuck
Sr Member
I don't understand this thread at all. Can we just talk about how awesome monkeys are.
I don't like Ebola though.
I don't like Ebola though.
Monkeys are not apes. That whole tail thing.
If they must do this film...I'd like to see some Serling-esque social commentary that the first film was so good at. Rod Serling made the first film one for the ages.
TheStig
Well-Known Member
Based on what I've seen of the script reviews, this sort of does it. I believe it focuses some on animal experimentation and genetic engineering. It also ties into the original film, the mission Taylor is on is mentioned during a news report.
Also I have read the book. The ending is close to that of Burton's film, except for the city the character lands in. The main plot is basically the same as the movie minus the action and the twist. Actually worth checking out if you can find it.
Zombie_61
Master Member
For the purposes of this particular conversation, you might want to use the phrase "historical theories" rather than "historical facts".
True. People here in the U.S. celebrate St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo; they're aware they are holidays of a sort, but don't really know why they celebrate them (aside from being just another excuse to get drunk, that is). :cheers
Back to the main topic, I'm hoping that video is only a portion of an unfinished test shot, and that the final product will be far more convincing...but I doubt it.
Nugget
Active Member
Isn't it REALLY, REALLY, REALLY late to not even have your teaser trailer rolled out? You're not talking about August of 2012 are you?
You would think that the studio would be attempting to create a little buzz before the movie opens in 4 months? I've heard of procrastinating, but this seems a little over the top.
Maybe it's a straight to video feature?
