Review: Al Wong Peacekeeper Prowler

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Gewaldr

New Member
Review removed in Deference to the community.
It has become apparent that A) This forum is not the proper venue for AL Wong kits.
and B) the members who commented here feel as if their time was not well spent.
I apologize for my mistake in posting here.
Thank you
George
 
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tgreco

Sr Member
okay, first things first... it seems like you're spamming the General Modeling forum by posting 5 reviews in 3 minutes. Secondly, is there a reason you can't post the actual photos in the threads? And thirdly, if you don't know the subject matter, how can you really write a decent review

the prowler kit you have has lot's and lots of accuracy problems

the rear landing gear are all wrong, the footpads are the wrong shape. They should be round not square. There should be no doors for the rear landing gear. And yet, ironically, I know exactly what computer wallpaper photo he looked at that made him master them that way, because there is a square object on the landing bay floor right in front of the rear landing gear...

the sensors on the veins are the wrong shape, and are too tubular, and too long. The smaller weapons pod sensors are missing the pointed parts at the top and bottom, or if those are supposed to be them on the sheet of resin parts? if so, they're too long.

the front landing sled is missing tons of details.

The pointed part that is above the canopy should actually come over the canopy, not stop behind it

It's pretty obvious that the model you have was based off a fan made CGI model of the ship, and not the one from the show. While the full size mockup and the CGI version on the show definitely are different from one another, the model you have doesn't look like it was based on either of them.

Perhaps you should read a few threads, and get an idea as to the accuracy standards of this community before writing a review about a ship you're obviously not that familiar with
 
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Robiwon

Master Member
Gone but not forgotten.
It seems he is reviewing the kit itself, as a kit, not to how accurate it may or may not be since he clearly stated he was not familiar with it.

A lot of people link to photobucket. Whats the big deal?

Plus, he was asked to review the kits so what's wrong with posting reviews of them????? Should he have spaced them out by a day, or two, or three?

Don't understand the negative nature of your post. O.K. so the the kit may not be accurate, now people will know what to expect.
 

Watson

Sr Member
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I think the issue is the fact that all six of this guys posts are shilling for other people. I dont have a problem with it but I can see why it would irk someone.

Plus allot of people don't like All Wrong's stuff.
 

moffeaton

Master Member
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If it ain't right, it's Wong™!

All joking aside, he provides kits for an established fan base, and I have nothing bad to say overall about the models or the people that buy them (to each their own), but personally speaking, I strive for accuracy and sharp in-scale details.
 

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tgreco

Sr Member
It seems he is reviewing the kit itself, as a kit, not to how accurate it may or may not be since he clearly stated he was not familiar with it.

A lot of people link to photobucket. Whats the big deal?

Plus, he was asked to review the kits so what's wrong with posting reviews of them????? Should he have spaced them out by a day, or two, or three?

Don't understand the negative nature of your post. O.K. so the the kit may not be accurate, now people will know what to expect.
well part of it is, he's burying legitimate build threads. I wouldn't have minded if he had done a review a day. What I do mind is, here's a guy that's never posted before, and then blam....

and it does seem like shilling...

and if you're going to review a kit, shouldn't you actually find out if it's accurate?

if you read his A-wing review, he states "the cockpit is off center" then goes on to say something like "it's a non-canon ship, so maybe there a reason for it...." then gives the kit a positive review.

now imagine you bought it from the junkyard

I may not be the most active member here, but it don't mean I don't care about the community, and there's something about a guy that's been a member since last March, who never posted anything and then this...
 

ralphee

Sr Member
Bottom line is, i wouldnt touch one of these kits with a bargepole, there tat, so the review IMO is just misleading and overblown anyway. Ignore and im sure they will be on page 8 in no time.

Lee
 

Gewaldr

New Member
You don't like the Kits, then Don't buy them.
I gave honest descriptions of what you would be buying. Also my opinion on weather it would be a descent purchase for the money. The other forums i posted these reviews on appreciated them. Funny that a well known and Prestigious forum like this one would get such an uproar about someones opinion on a product. If its in the wrong area of the forum, then please mods by all means Move the threads, But i do not recall reading anything in the rules section stating that a person was not allowed to write a review of a product he was sent and posting his opinion on it online anywhere. On any of these forums. As to this review specifically. I stated clearly i am not familiar with the subject at hand, But that in my opinion it would build into a nice kit. Lets be honest here, I like accuracy as much as anyone, but this is all Sci Fi. Why are we going to start an argument about something like this over subjects that DO not exist. and quite frankly no matter what scene you pull screen grabs from, Everyone of them change over and over again. If you don't like it.. Don't buy it. But at least now you have an idea what you are buying .. Forgive me for attempting to pass that information along. ..
As for the positive review. There is obviously an established fan base for Mr. Wong's kits. or else he wouldn't be producing them any longer. I like some of his stuff, and i don't like other things he has produced. I never gave any statement to accuracy, only that it appeared to match what i could find. I also again stated clearly the asymmetry issues with kits where necessary. I haven't provided false information.

As to why i haven't posted here before.... First it took forever for me to get an approval E-mail form here and from RI. Second. I work, I don't have hours and hours to spend on a forum. Third. Most everything i see on any forum is generally replicated on all the others, I comment on one of them, and not all. I normally don't even log into every forum daily. Call me a spammer, That's fine, this if Your opinion of me. I am unsure however how providing a write up on available resin kits in a forum dedicated to model and prop building, can be spam. Were i that guy who advertises i don't know.. Escort services in L.V. or.. the newest brand of beef .then sure.. but i don't.
Have a nice day and a happy new year to all of you
George
 

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tgreco

Sr Member
I like accuracy as much as anyone, but this is all Sci Fi. Why are we going to start an argument about something like this over subjects that DO not exist. and quite frankly no matter what scene you pull screen grabs from, Everyone of them change over and over again.
^
You've never actually read a thread on this forum have you? :lol

this is the place where people obsess about the details,
you might want to use the search function and see ANY thread pertaining to Vader, Stormtroopers, X-wings or the Millenium Falcon

and on a more direct note, if you're going to review a kit... perhaps you should review it with a harder eye. Saying everything you review is great is pretty useless. I don't care who mastered what. If it's inaccurate, perhaps you should point out what's inaccurate, and let potential buyers know what it would take to make it accurate. Then your reviews would be useful.

But to say that something is close enough, or looks more like a Prowler then an X-wing, and give it a "thumbs up".... I'll pass.
 
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Robiwon

Master Member
Gone but not forgotten.
Just came back to this thread from yesterday. Wow. George was asked to review the kits and he did. He posted the reviews on the majority of the modeling threads. Yes the reviews are mainly positive but for those that know the subject in depth will know what to expect in the kit then. Posting the same thing on different forums is not spamming. When I post pics of my latest project it goes on multiple boards, not just here. It's getting the info out to everyone. I don't visit all the forums mentioned above but from the ones I visited people seem to be happy with the reviews.

Sounds to me it's more about not liking Al than someone posting three kit reviews.:rolleyes
 

Watson

Sr Member
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I think he would do better to try to be a member of this community before trying to get us to trust his judgement on a product.

It just reeks of shilling when all your posts are postive reviews of others kits.

I am a memer of at least 5 different modeling boards and I would not go to a new one and post reviews of kits before establsihing myself in that community first.

That is just my humble opinion and you know what they say about those. :)
 

qcfoundry

Sr Member
Speaking for myself..
I was posting out of suspicion (I'll be honest).

This was my POV:
-in most of the forums, these were his FIRST posts.
-suddenly comes along and posts 4 or 5 fairly long reviews
-for the most part they are reviews of a very positive nature despite the fact he admits he has little knowledge about the subject matter.
-he admits himself that he has very little time yet writes these fairly long reviews (instead of just posting a small little post here or there).
-he posts in several different forums in RAPID succession (look at the post times).

it smelled of a bot..

robert, you've posted PLENTY of times and many times outside of your own threads. that gives people comfort. when someone comes into a room for the first time, horns blaring, with a lot of info (especially info that may not be well regarded by some) and into multiple households... people will get suspicious....that something just doesn't add up.

i may be out of line, but assume this is what the majority of ppl were thinking??
 

Robiwon

Master Member
Gone but not forgotten.
Yeah, I can see that. But let me tell everyone, George is a great guy. He does a lot of 3D and scratchbuilt patterns. I have also seen his work first hand, last weekend. The wife and I spent New Years weekend with him and his family. He doesn't post a lot because he has a full workload. He wanted to get the word out that these kits were going to be available. For fans of Al's work these will be well recieved and who here hasn't had to make even small corrections on a kit? No kit is perfect (except what I build) so these may not be the be all/end all of the subject matter, but then no kit is.
 

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tgreco

Sr Member
I think he would do better to try to be a member of this community before trying to get us to trust his judgement on a product.

It just reeks of shilling when all your posts are postive reviews of others kits.
^ My thoughts exactly

might I also suggest George that you consider a blog instead... SSM doesn't review kits any where near as often as they used to... neither does Cult TV man. If the reviews are useful, they'll find an audience.

and Robiwon, you're a well respected member, I'll take your word on George, and as for Alfred Wong, I have no issue with him, though I find a lot of his work lacking... but as someone who's just spent a ton of time researching the Prowler to build and paint Howling Wolf's Growler kit I though I'd share what I've learned about it.
 
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Gewaldr

New Member
So to start.
Robert Thank you for Posting here. It is most appreciated. I worry about starting to take part in a Forum where Someone has to Vouch for me before I am believed to be a real person, not a bot, or a spammer. Does this forum follow the rules of Guilty until proven innocent?

Tgreco the comment you made just after my last post. That one was usefull. Now i at least have an Inclin to what you and perhaps others might like to see in a review. Though I do not see where My opinion that these kits will make nice models for anyone who isn't So hung on the smallest detail that they cannot see past the wrong tank tread in the right spot ( not not directed to you. Just in general) Makes the review any less useful. I was, as stated previously Honest in all things i said. I told of the found short comings. I also told that i was Unfamiliar with the subject where necessary. And as such the review is Advertised in that statement alone to be a statement of my opinion and not accuracy. I have read several threads here, And i admire alot of the work done on this forum. I do however have a serious problem with the overall attitude here. (Again not directed at you, Just a statement of generality)

Watson. I am not trying to get you to trust my judgement. I really do not care if you do or do not. I am only offering my opinion on the kits in question. Its up to you if you like or dislike them, But your point is taken.

I assure you when i work on a pattern either by hand or On the computer. I measure everything as meticulously as possible given the available information. I research and do everything i can to obtain examples of the correct part, shape, size, subject matter in general. In my hand. That Does not mean that i think personally someone else's product has to fall into some Jesus like level of perfection to be a good product.

I am known and respected on other forums, Some of which i am sure most of you carouse alot, even if you do not post there. I work with Alot of kit producers to put their product out for you to build. Just because you do not know me , or haven't seen me post here. I do ever so humbly and truly apologize ( and that is not sarcasm) if my methods of attempting to provide my opinion of these kits here. Did not meet the standards of Perfection that this forum seems to require. Of course i was also un aware that opinions could be perfected as well.

To the statement that I wrote long reviews, with no time to write them. I did so over the course of a month and a half. I recieved these kits in the middle of November so no it wasn't a fast process. It was looking at a few parts a day, typing a paragraph here and there.

That being said. I will remove the reviews form this site. And hope that in the future, after my post count here reached some hundreds or a thousand. Then maybe my opinion might matter Here. I do believe that the way this thread has been turned into something of a Flame war does unfortunately prove some of the things said about this board, On other forums and that truly saddens me.

Good evening to you all Gentleman.
George
 

tgreco

Sr Member
...says the guy who has a modified harrier pilot from one of the ANH studio scale X-wings as his avatar.....

or am I not supposed to notice that either

I know that, and I couldn't give a whiff about Star Wars...

I'm not looking to rain on anyone's parade, but I also don't want to see the content that I come here for pushed back to page 8 because a bunch of new folks decided to pop in and start posting reviews all over the place either.

And let's be super honest here, if my listing of the innacuracies of this particular rendering of the Prowler are a bad thing, then I'll happily take the hit. But I think it's exactly the kind of stuff that makes this particular modeling community stand above most of the others.

The fact of the matter is, I read the review, I looked at the pictures, and then I posted about it. I didn't just arbitrarily jump on this particular thread for no reason
 
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