Review: Al Wong Peacekeeper Prowler

Discussion in 'General Modeling' started by Gewaldr, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. Gewaldr

    Gewaldr New Member

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    Review removed in Deference to the community.
    It has become apparent that A) This forum is not the proper venue for AL Wong kits.
    and B) the members who commented here feel as if their time was not well spent.
    I apologize for my mistake in posting here.
    Thank you
    George
     
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  2. tgreco

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    okay, first things first... it seems like you're spamming the General Modeling forum by posting 5 reviews in 3 minutes. Secondly, is there a reason you can't post the actual photos in the threads? And thirdly, if you don't know the subject matter, how can you really write a decent review

    the prowler kit you have has lot's and lots of accuracy problems

    the rear landing gear are all wrong, the footpads are the wrong shape. They should be round not square. There should be no doors for the rear landing gear. And yet, ironically, I know exactly what computer wallpaper photo he looked at that made him master them that way, because there is a square object on the landing bay floor right in front of the rear landing gear...

    the sensors on the veins are the wrong shape, and are too tubular, and too long. The smaller weapons pod sensors are missing the pointed parts at the top and bottom, or if those are supposed to be them on the sheet of resin parts? if so, they're too long.

    the front landing sled is missing tons of details.

    The pointed part that is above the canopy should actually come over the canopy, not stop behind it

    It's pretty obvious that the model you have was based off a fan made CGI model of the ship, and not the one from the show. While the full size mockup and the CGI version on the show definitely are different from one another, the model you have doesn't look like it was based on either of them.

    Perhaps you should read a few threads, and get an idea as to the accuracy standards of this community before writing a review about a ship you're obviously not that familiar with
     
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  3. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    It seems he is reviewing the kit itself, as a kit, not to how accurate it may or may not be since he clearly stated he was not familiar with it.

    A lot of people link to photobucket. Whats the big deal?

    Plus, he was asked to review the kits so what's wrong with posting reviews of them????? Should he have spaced them out by a day, or two, or three?

    Don't understand the negative nature of your post. O.K. so the the kit may not be accurate, now people will know what to expect.
     
  4. Watson

    Watson Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I think the issue is the fact that all six of this guys posts are shilling for other people. I dont have a problem with it but I can see why it would irk someone.

    Plus allot of people don't like All Wrong's stuff.
     
  5. moffeaton

    moffeaton Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    If it ain't right, it's Wong™!

    All joking aside, he provides kits for an established fan base, and I have nothing bad to say overall about the models or the people that buy them (to each their own), but personally speaking, I strive for accuracy and sharp in-scale details.
     
  6. tgreco

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    well part of it is, he's burying legitimate build threads. I wouldn't have minded if he had done a review a day. What I do mind is, here's a guy that's never posted before, and then blam....

    and it does seem like shilling...

    and if you're going to review a kit, shouldn't you actually find out if it's accurate?

    if you read his A-wing review, he states "the cockpit is off center" then goes on to say something like "it's a non-canon ship, so maybe there a reason for it...." then gives the kit a positive review.

    now imagine you bought it from the junkyard

    I may not be the most active member here, but it don't mean I don't care about the community, and there's something about a guy that's been a member since last March, who never posted anything and then this...
     
  7. division 6

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    This person is spamming all over the Clubhouse forum as well going by the name G-man.
     
  8. qcfoundry

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    ditto the reviews over at StudioScaleModelers.com & RI
     
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  9. ralphee

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    Bottom line is, i wouldnt touch one of these kits with a bargepole, there tat, so the review IMO is just misleading and overblown anyway. Ignore and im sure they will be on page 8 in no time.

    Lee
     
  10. Gewaldr

    Gewaldr New Member

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    You don't like the Kits, then Don't buy them.
    I gave honest descriptions of what you would be buying. Also my opinion on weather it would be a descent purchase for the money. The other forums i posted these reviews on appreciated them. Funny that a well known and Prestigious forum like this one would get such an uproar about someones opinion on a product. If its in the wrong area of the forum, then please mods by all means Move the threads, But i do not recall reading anything in the rules section stating that a person was not allowed to write a review of a product he was sent and posting his opinion on it online anywhere. On any of these forums. As to this review specifically. I stated clearly i am not familiar with the subject at hand, But that in my opinion it would build into a nice kit. Lets be honest here, I like accuracy as much as anyone, but this is all Sci Fi. Why are we going to start an argument about something like this over subjects that DO not exist. and quite frankly no matter what scene you pull screen grabs from, Everyone of them change over and over again. If you don't like it.. Don't buy it. But at least now you have an idea what you are buying .. Forgive me for attempting to pass that information along. ..
    As for the positive review. There is obviously an established fan base for Mr. Wong's kits. or else he wouldn't be producing them any longer. I like some of his stuff, and i don't like other things he has produced. I never gave any statement to accuracy, only that it appeared to match what i could find. I also again stated clearly the asymmetry issues with kits where necessary. I haven't provided false information.

    As to why i haven't posted here before.... First it took forever for me to get an approval E-mail form here and from RI. Second. I work, I don't have hours and hours to spend on a forum. Third. Most everything i see on any forum is generally replicated on all the others, I comment on one of them, and not all. I normally don't even log into every forum daily. Call me a spammer, That's fine, this if Your opinion of me. I am unsure however how providing a write up on available resin kits in a forum dedicated to model and prop building, can be spam. Were i that guy who advertises i don't know.. Escort services in L.V. or.. the newest brand of beef .then sure.. but i don't.
    Have a nice day and a happy new year to all of you
    George
     
  11. tgreco

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    ^
    You've never actually read a thread on this forum have you? :lol

    this is the place where people obsess about the details,
    you might want to use the search function and see ANY thread pertaining to Vader, Stormtroopers, X-wings or the Millenium Falcon

    and on a more direct note, if you're going to review a kit... perhaps you should review it with a harder eye. Saying everything you review is great is pretty useless. I don't care who mastered what. If it's inaccurate, perhaps you should point out what's inaccurate, and let potential buyers know what it would take to make it accurate. Then your reviews would be useful.

    But to say that something is close enough, or looks more like a Prowler then an X-wing, and give it a "thumbs up".... I'll pass.
     
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  12. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Just came back to this thread from yesterday. Wow. George was asked to review the kits and he did. He posted the reviews on the majority of the modeling threads. Yes the reviews are mainly positive but for those that know the subject in depth will know what to expect in the kit then. Posting the same thing on different forums is not spamming. When I post pics of my latest project it goes on multiple boards, not just here. It's getting the info out to everyone. I don't visit all the forums mentioned above but from the ones I visited people seem to be happy with the reviews.

    Sounds to me it's more about not liking Al than someone posting three kit reviews.:rolleyes
     
  13. Watson

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    I think he would do better to try to be a member of this community before trying to get us to trust his judgement on a product.

    It just reeks of shilling when all your posts are postive reviews of others kits.

    I am a memer of at least 5 different modeling boards and I would not go to a new one and post reviews of kits before establsihing myself in that community first.

    That is just my humble opinion and you know what they say about those. :)
     
  14. qcfoundry

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    Speaking for myself..
    I was posting out of suspicion (I'll be honest).

    This was my POV:
    -in most of the forums, these were his FIRST posts.
    -suddenly comes along and posts 4 or 5 fairly long reviews
    -for the most part they are reviews of a very positive nature despite the fact he admits he has little knowledge about the subject matter.
    -he admits himself that he has very little time yet writes these fairly long reviews (instead of just posting a small little post here or there).
    -he posts in several different forums in RAPID succession (look at the post times).

    it smelled of a bot..

    robert, you've posted PLENTY of times and many times outside of your own threads. that gives people comfort. when someone comes into a room for the first time, horns blaring, with a lot of info (especially info that may not be well regarded by some) and into multiple households... people will get suspicious....that something just doesn't add up.

    i may be out of line, but assume this is what the majority of ppl were thinking??
     
  15. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Yeah, I can see that. But let me tell everyone, George is a great guy. He does a lot of 3D and scratchbuilt patterns. I have also seen his work first hand, last weekend. The wife and I spent New Years weekend with him and his family. He doesn't post a lot because he has a full workload. He wanted to get the word out that these kits were going to be available. For fans of Al's work these will be well recieved and who here hasn't had to make even small corrections on a kit? No kit is perfect (except what I build) so these may not be the be all/end all of the subject matter, but then no kit is.
     
  16. tgreco

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    ^ My thoughts exactly

    might I also suggest George that you consider a blog instead... SSM doesn't review kits any where near as often as they used to... neither does Cult TV man. If the reviews are useful, they'll find an audience.

    and Robiwon, you're a well respected member, I'll take your word on George, and as for Alfred Wong, I have no issue with him, though I find a lot of his work lacking... but as someone who's just spent a ton of time researching the Prowler to build and paint Howling Wolf's Growler kit I though I'd share what I've learned about it.
     
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  17. Gewaldr

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    So to start.
    Robert Thank you for Posting here. It is most appreciated. I worry about starting to take part in a Forum where Someone has to Vouch for me before I am believed to be a real person, not a bot, or a spammer. Does this forum follow the rules of Guilty until proven innocent?

    Tgreco the comment you made just after my last post. That one was usefull. Now i at least have an Inclin to what you and perhaps others might like to see in a review. Though I do not see where My opinion that these kits will make nice models for anyone who isn't So hung on the smallest detail that they cannot see past the wrong tank tread in the right spot ( not not directed to you. Just in general) Makes the review any less useful. I was, as stated previously Honest in all things i said. I told of the found short comings. I also told that i was Unfamiliar with the subject where necessary. And as such the review is Advertised in that statement alone to be a statement of my opinion and not accuracy. I have read several threads here, And i admire alot of the work done on this forum. I do however have a serious problem with the overall attitude here. (Again not directed at you, Just a statement of generality)

    Watson. I am not trying to get you to trust my judgement. I really do not care if you do or do not. I am only offering my opinion on the kits in question. Its up to you if you like or dislike them, But your point is taken.

    I assure you when i work on a pattern either by hand or On the computer. I measure everything as meticulously as possible given the available information. I research and do everything i can to obtain examples of the correct part, shape, size, subject matter in general. In my hand. That Does not mean that i think personally someone else's product has to fall into some Jesus like level of perfection to be a good product.

    I am known and respected on other forums, Some of which i am sure most of you carouse alot, even if you do not post there. I work with Alot of kit producers to put their product out for you to build. Just because you do not know me , or haven't seen me post here. I do ever so humbly and truly apologize ( and that is not sarcasm) if my methods of attempting to provide my opinion of these kits here. Did not meet the standards of Perfection that this forum seems to require. Of course i was also un aware that opinions could be perfected as well.

    To the statement that I wrote long reviews, with no time to write them. I did so over the course of a month and a half. I recieved these kits in the middle of November so no it wasn't a fast process. It was looking at a few parts a day, typing a paragraph here and there.

    That being said. I will remove the reviews form this site. And hope that in the future, after my post count here reached some hundreds or a thousand. Then maybe my opinion might matter Here. I do believe that the way this thread has been turned into something of a Flame war does unfortunately prove some of the things said about this board, On other forums and that truly saddens me.

    Good evening to you all Gentleman.
    George
     
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  19. Gewaldr

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    ... So..
    Just to clarify..
    I'm not the "Troll" in your eyes..right?

    George
     
  20. tgreco

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    ...says the guy who has a modified harrier pilot from one of the ANH studio scale X-wings as his avatar.....

    or am I not supposed to notice that either

    I know that, and I couldn't give a whiff about Star Wars...

    I'm not looking to rain on anyone's parade, but I also don't want to see the content that I come here for pushed back to page 8 because a bunch of new folks decided to pop in and start posting reviews all over the place either.

    And let's be super honest here, if my listing of the innacuracies of this particular rendering of the Prowler are a bad thing, then I'll happily take the hit. But I think it's exactly the kind of stuff that makes this particular modeling community stand above most of the others.

    The fact of the matter is, I read the review, I looked at the pictures, and then I posted about it. I didn't just arbitrarily jump on this particular thread for no reason
     
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  21. StevenRogers84

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    Nice alienation of a new member what harm did he do that deserved such a hijacking of his thread? Kind of a dick move.
     
  22. Gewaldr

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    Your comments to the subject matter of the review, were not an issue with me.

    The quoted statement form you, and Almost EVERYONE else who replied, were uncalled for though.

    Thank you by the by Steve Rodgers. Most appreciated.

    As far as standing above the rest, Steve said it best.. Calling someone a Spammer when they did not. Is a rather dick thing to do.
    Now, I have removed this review, and the other three concerning Al's kits .. I left the figure review, since Apparently no one has a problem with a kit that doesn't have Al's name on it.
    That being said. Lets let this thread Die.
    I'm sick of the ****ing back and forth flaming, and it has become painfully obvious to me, that No matter what, Everyone who has chimed in here in a negative light on me and my Opinions of the beginning discussion, will continue to think of me as some poor misguided fool who said something in a place where he had no business speaking.

    Good night .
    George
     
  23. tgreco

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    well Steve, I guess you missed the first day when the General Model Forum was

    Review:... posted at 03:33 PM
    Review:... posted at 03:33 PM
    Review:... posted at 03:34 PM
    Review:... posted at 03:35 PM
    Review:... posted at 03:35 PM

    all by a member that had never posted before, and some of us thought the forum was being spammed (which btw George, does actually happen...)

    and the kit inaccuracies which were on topic

    nobody asked him or even implied that he should remove the review.

    so I guess the next time the forum looks like it's getting spammed... screw it.

    Thanks for clearing that up Steve. I've got a bridge I have to go sit under now....
     
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    Actually the troll in this case is the guy who, without any introduction, spammed this forum with "reviews" that no one here asked him to perform, no one here obviously cared about judging by the complete lack of response, and that were seemingly nothing more than cut-n-paste shill jobs that he nearly simultneously posted to a number of other forums that many of us here frequent as well.

    And then he had the temerity to get all drama-queeny and self-righteous when a few regulars here objected to the manner and matter of his socially inept intrusions, insulting this community and its denizens in the process.

    So yeah, here I am, still feeding the troll. Time to take my own advice... ;)
     
  25. TZY

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    So.. after reading all this dren
    Where can I find a review of this kit with pics..
    Its sparked my interest..
    T
     
  26. Gewaldr

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    TZY Check out SSM, or R.I. same thread title for the reviews.

    To the rest of you, who seemingly feel that you all deserve some form of Demi god like status.
    Have fun with your lovely ****ing circle jerk here.
    I can see why R.I. was formed now. I will be over there.
    Robert, my friend.. Please feel free to tell me when these chaps here kindly remove their heads from their *, and i could possibly enjoy this forum and not have to listen to the driveling **** talk.

    Mods, delete this ****ing thread. Please. Ban me for all i care, i wont be back any time soon.

    Thanks
    George.
     
  27. tgreco

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    hey George, before you go off in a huff, maybe it hasn't occured to you, but those other forums have a specific review sections

    the vast majority of threads here are research and build threads
    ... just a thought

    and I'm sorry but you're glowing review of a really innaccurate kit, especially one that costs $85, just needed a rebuttal

    TZY let me do you a favor. If you want to build a Prowler,see if you can find the Howling Wolf kit. (the kit was called a Growler btw) It's bigger and much more accurate, and made with good resin. Kip's work is top notch. When I bought mine, I think I paid just over $100 for it. It's not currently in production, but you do see them pop up from time to time.
     
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  28. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Well, holy crap! A guy comes here and posts some reviews and gets flamed beyond belief because he only has a few post and no one knows him. I know him and George is a great guy, does excellent scratch building. I also say that if anyone here has a resin Star Wars, Star Trek kit or conversion kit you may just have George's work in your hands.

    I am really dissapointed in more than a few of you here for the way flamming has gone on and frankly I am a little embarressed to call myself a member here right now. Instead of of someone seeing these threads and saying "hey dude, who are you? can we see some builds or go introduce yourself first" Instead we get people complaining that some other thread might get dropped down a few posts or go to the next page. Really? Are we really that * here toward new members or members with few post counts, or those we don't know?

    George, I am sorry for what has happened here, I really am. In my opinion this is a new low for the forum.
     
  29. StevenRogers84

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    His treatment that he has received for no reason is a bunch of bullcrap. Repost your reviews man. You worked on them and spent time doing them show them off who cares what a couple of angry clowns say.
     
  30. StevenRogers84

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    Hey do us a favor yeah? Sit under that bridge for awhile and learn some respect for your fellow man. You ask who is he and I ask you are YOU? What gives you the privilege to attack and belittle someone? You should apologize for your actions.





     
  31. qcfoundry

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    George,
    a few things to consider...

    - you gave a critique of a kit. you provided critical feedback of someone's work. in a way, that's what you're getting back. it's obvious that some here may not respect Wong's work -- and they may voice that. I don't think you need to get in a big huff if someone disagrees with you here. looking at this statistically, this is one of the larger forums, so you have a higher likelihood that you'll bump into that person who will challenge your review. he has an opinion of your review, just as you had an opinion of the kit. *** for tat.

    -also statistically, lol, you had 2 or 3 ppl in a forum of almost 37,936 members. that is 0.008%. TINY!!!!. yet you're about to leave the rest of the 37,933 members (and likely lose the opportunity to learn alot). that's just f'n nutty imo.

    -lastly, and this is more subjective, i'm not sure you considered your audience. english 101 class - recognize your reader. depending on who's going to read your paper (be it your daughter, a stranger on the street, or the president), you need to curtail your language towards THEM. it seems you posted in different forums, and each has its own members (yet it was the same exact reviews). this particular forum, from what i've experienced -- typically, is the equivalent to the IPMS "rivit-counters" for science fiction. many many members here have researched countless resources, traveled 1000's of miles, and spent absurd amounts of money on a donor kit (THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE THE RIGHT ONE!). these people are F'N SERIOUS about accuracy. i don't think you respected that facet of this forums members for some of the reviews you posted --- hence you got feedback.

    its only your call if you leave. but i personally think it's a knee-jerk reaction because a few people disagreed with you. it would be your loss.
     
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  32. tgreco

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    Who am I?

    A six year member of the site, that doesn't hang out in the OT section, and doesn't post just to say something.

    You want my respect, you earn it
    You want me to respect your opinion, you demonstrate that your opinion is informed.

    I haven't been rude. I haven't called anyone any names. I haven't referred to this community as a "circle-jerk" Unlike George.

    If he can't deal with the notion that maybe he should introduce himself first, before posting reviews that nobody asked for, then oh well...

    And if he doesn't like that some people may see these reviews as shilling or spamming of the forum, then perhaps he should have familiarized himself with the forum first.

    and not to put too fine a point on it...
    this is the kit that George says
    " And I have to say it’s a very good representation from the subject "
    and
    "Details are all where they should be, and what they should be. All in all it is a very good kit. "

    Well Steve, I may not be the guy with "HONESTY" in his signature, but lets just take a look at the kit in question.....
    I've prepared this little graphic to help:

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    "I can truly think of nothing really negative to say about this kit."
    ~ George


    There's more wrong with it, than right.

    So if George wants to stand by reviews like these....that's on him.

    And if he's a maker of conversion kits, then he should appreciate the ammount of time and money that some of us spend on accurizing models.

    I've been direct with George, and blunt. But I've also been honest. And if you read anything I've posted above as an attack, then I can assure you, you've never seen me in attack mode.

    If he thinks this is about anything other than the accuracy of the model, then he's wrong.
     
  33. crackerjazz

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    Hey George - I read your review - just wasn't interested in the subject but at least I had an idea of what to expect. That's how I cross out my options and arrive at the best, instead of buying a kit and regretting it - I have a closet-ful of unbuilt blindly-bought models, after not having any reviews about them to read or see any kit scans of - just high expectations borne from my vivid imagination. Welcome to the forum (too late for that I guess).
     
  34. Ray22

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    Lol! Jason you know that was Wong I mean Wrong, I 'm not going to bash the man's work, it can't be that bad he's been doing it for years.
     

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