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[slimesquare]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

just watched a few of Bob's videos, funny guy and his response to GB Fans was priceless. It's very disturbing that a website owner would try to lay claim to Ghostbusters, ridiculous. if this guy does have a show on Discovery, he'll have a lot to talk about.

He didnt claim to own ghostbusters....he claimed copyright of pictures he took for GBfans...which bob used with out his permission

And thats where you dont understand the situation. You were sucked in by Bob's video that was clearly made with very little truth too it..

 

[dexter1138]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Don't know, Bob has dropped the gauntlet and made GB Fans website look pretty bad. The fact that one of the moderators is in business to sell packs and you have to pay to sell on their website speaks volumes. From what I can read into his two youtube responses he seems like a straight shooter. Sure he recast a recast of a recast that's owned by Sony and he doesn't try to hide that fact. I like the huge rack of packs boxed and rolling into the post office in the auctions, just adds insult to injury.

The spin machine is turned on maximum on that GB Fans site for sure.

Again this paints a huge target on GB Fans and Video Bob, both are wrong for making this high profile. If I had $20,000 in sales on a prop forum, the last things I would want is some guy yapping about it on youtube. Not to mention having your name mentioned as the source of the product.

You guys have dug a deep hole.

Dex

 

[slimesquare]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Again this paints a huge target on GB Fans and Video Bob, both are wrong for making this high profile. If I had $20,000 in sales on a prop forum, the last things I would want is some guy yapping about it on youtube. Not to mention having your name mentioned as the source of the product.

You guys have dug a deep hole.

Dex

again you believe Bob's video.... the pack shells Bob is refering to aren't even being sold any more.....it states that in big bold letter at the bottom of the sales thread. The sale is done and over. Maybe you should go check out the gbfans feedback thread on Bob before you continue to take his side.

edit: And i'm pretty sure that sony, as well as other movie companys, know what goes on on Gbfans as well as here and other prop websites. Others have gotten C and D's from movie studios before, so some guy yapping about it on youtube isn't gonna instantly make sony close down GBfans

 

[dexter1138]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Slimesquare, I'm not taking sides and you don't deny the fact that a moderator did at one time sell $20,000 worth the packs. If he is doing it now or not is beside the point. Would also be interesting to find out when he quit offering packs, before or after this fiasco.

Deep hole guys, very deep. This all seems like sour grapes and until a cut and dry opinion on recasting is set in stone this will continue to happen. After watching his two videos and his relationship with the guy that authenticated the pack, the post made on GB Fans leaves me wondering about the true motives.

My last post on this subject, but there are two sides to every story.

Dex

From GB Fans:

Videobob - tcbtexas - Bob Moseley - Has been banned for recasting Proton Pack shells purchased from Ross Arbuckle. He claims his shells are 100% authentic straight from Universal Studios and therefore his recasts are ok, however his shell was purchased from someone else's copies, which makes them recast. In addition there is some discrepancy as to whether or not the shells are actually related to the real Proton Packs used in the movie, having provided very little proof. Furthermore Videobob has been banned from The RPF (and numerous other sites) for recasting, and has a long history of recasting and stealing Back to the Future parts from others (even from the actual BTTF cars at Universal). He should be avoided by all costs and is by far the #1 person on his blacklist to avoid.

 

[AJ Quick]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

You guys can read more about Videobob's videos and "claims" here: http://www.gbfans.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=27212

It's very disturbing that a website owner would try to lay claim to Ghostbusters, ridiculous. if this guy does have a show on Discovery, he'll have a lot to talk about.

You are right. It is very ridiculous. (and also untrue.) However if you actually watch the Youtube Video. Pause the screen on the email from eBay where I "claim Ghostbusters". You can clearly read that I filed a claim with eBay for Bob using our copyrighted photos in his auction... that I took / own. The email was very clear about this. However, Bob made slanderous remarks about me claiming I was the owner of Ghostbusters, which is not true.

Watch the videos again. They also show how he is lying. If you actually believe what he is saying is true, you are pretty naive.

Don't know, Bob has dropped the gauntlet and made GB Fans website look pretty bad. The fact that one of the moderators is in business to sell packs and you have to pay to sell on their website speaks volumes.

He did make us look pretty bad. And as soon as we are able to, we will be seeking a recourse for his comments. One of our moderators sells pack shells? So what? The master was made from scratch and then molded. There are half a dozen others doing this same thing. Being a moderator or not makes no difference. Videobob still violated our rules. He still recasted. He still failed to meet the requirements to sell. And again, 'having to pay to sell on GBFans' is another lie. You can easily earn a free Supporting Membership, and if not. Its $20. To date Bob has spent over $1000 on eBay and PayPal fees with his auctions. Does that speak volumes too?

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My official stance on this is this:

Videobob recast a pack shell purchased from Thiago, which was purchased and produced by Bowelrock (Ross). Videobob does not do any of the actual hands on work, so he hired gbfreek (Thiago) and Trendkiller (Raine) and the rest of his shop staff to do the work. Videobob, Bob's Prop Shop, Thiago, & Raine are all recasters.

Watch the videos and have a good laugh. They are a sales pitch. Everything stated about me and Vincent is untrue. I did not make claim to Ghostbusters, and I did not tell him he had to pay me $50 to sell his Pack shells. In fact we banned him the second he tried to offer up recast copies, which is what spouted his hissy fit.

 

[slimesquare]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

he stopped selling them before this has happened, and theres atleast 3-4 people selling shells on gbfans at once especially during halloween time. What they are concered with is his took some ones work and is recasting it. Bowelrock cast the shell from HMS and Bob got a hold of one and recast it. RESCASTING IS WRONG....that's why they want it stopped....and it seems from comments you made such as "I think the recasting rules need to be re-examined." That your supporting Bob and recasting. I don't support what Bowelrock did either but HMS said he could do with it as he pleases. Even if HMS didnt have the right to say so or not. The rules on The RPF are simple, you can't recast another members work, which is why Bob was banned from here, and why he's banned from GBfans and two other forums he's tried to drop his shell on...recasting...plain and simple

edit: just looks like I typed the same thing AJ did

 

[dexter1138]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Would be interesting to hear HMS's side of the story, did they give Ross permission to recast their work? Did Ross just recast it? If HMS did not want it cast or their name dragged through the mud, there may be more bannings in the offing than just Bob.

Dex

 

[Kingpin]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Why leave things to chance when a picture can speak a thousand words? The so-called "Claim to Ghostbusters" that Bob, genius as he is, recorded, clear enough to read, in his first "response".

And closer in:

I'm not taking sides

Yet you've believed Bob's claims hook, line and sinker without looking into the other half of the story. No, doesn't at all sound like you're "choosing sides".

 

[Filandrius]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

If I remember correctly, the moderator in question wasn't even a mod when he started selling those shells, right? Another moot point.

 

[Bowelrock]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Sounds to me like your a friend of bobs. Maybe we should start looking at you? I told HMS Mike what i was going to do the day i picked it up. He said and a quote "I can't tell you what to do with it Or what not to do with it" Are you really so dumb to think that he wouldn't have commented already on the sale of my packs?

Would be interesting to hear HMS's side of the story, did they give Ross permission to recast their work? Did Ross just recast it? If HMS did not want it cast or their name dragged through the mud, there may be more bannings in the offing than just Bob.

Dex

 

[Bowelrock]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

What raine needs to do is picture a photo of his mold... And a shell that came out of it. Along with the inside detail of that shell.. I can prove %100 by looking at the inside of the shell and or the mold that the one in the photo above is being cast from the real pack mold. I know what the inside details of the real shell are and the mold they are running glass in is it. No fan pack has replicated one important detail that the real shell has and i can prove it.... So post up raine..

 

[Bowelrock]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

still nothing..

 

[Sundowner]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

I'm very sorry to hear this. I hope this taken care of very soon.

 

[Onkelpsycho]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Yeah, its a shame what they have done...

and has a long history of recasting and stealing Back to the Future parts from others (even from the actual BTTF cars at Universal).

Wait, wait...

I guess we talk about casted parts from the original Delorean...??? Or you want to tell me he stole parts of the original Deloreans in Universal?!? :lol

sorry, thats not funny but I can imagine Bob sneaking around the Delorean, and when no-one is looking, he grabs something and runs away as fast as hell... :lol

Hopefully this comes to a good end... Good luck...

 

[Bowelrock]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

What really cracks me up is Gbfans is not supporting videobob as i expected, But they are trying to deliberately discredit my shell with miss information and assumption. I'm reading what they honestly believe in their minds and its making me laugh. The sad thing is that the poor shmoes over on that website that know no better will believe anything that comes out of one of the elitist members mouths.

These are the facts folks. The lineage i have stated in my sale thread and here is the final word, From Mikes mouth to my ears, And finally posted here. First off, I have referenced my shell to a screen used gb1 in person and its a match. Like a stated already with the exception of a few minor details its 100%. The "Arizona" shell however and mine may share some similarities and lineage but are 2 different packs all together, From 2 completely different projects that were more than 12 years apart. Mine being an untouched original 2nd gen shell. The AZ shell being a heavily reworked/rebuilt original. However i have no credibility on gbfans and I'm quite Ok with that. I don't need there backing. I wont defend my statement to anyone because it really is a waste of my time. Believe me or keep your mouth shut, An stay out of my thread.

 

[Quagmire9]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

I have come a little late in this thread, BUT i am an artist, a prosthetic artist and i have worked in the film industry for years now, and i worked my butt off to create my proton pack buck that i moulded and i would be steaming with murderous rage if this happened to me. we do NOT need this ****e on this site. kick his ass out, and i will personally be letting everyone i know on UKGB aware of this waste of skin.

 

[robstyle]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Happy B-Day Ross.

 

[Bowelrock]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Thanks Dick! hahah

 

[trendkiller]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

***** ****** bowel, do you infact have a life? I mean you shoot your mouth off with LIES and these "recast" methods YOU..YOURSELF and your friends have done. And openly admitting not only deception yourself but PROVING the validity of the real history of this production shell (which kills off "recasting" restrictions by RPF definitions anyway!!! The facts are stacked against you and I have provided the real story AND links to my works that prove my facts and that I stand by. So the pinnacle of the story is that you are the scumbags for selling a 4th/5th generation ****TY cast of a public domain shell and charging a premium price. I will soon post and get screen grabs, emails of how you guys laugh in the face of thiago and bob and countless others who blew around $700 for a shell that you claim was a beautiful production pull.....yet later when bob decided to mold THAT shell you backpedal and change your story up saying that is infact NOT a production shell.

So do you offer a refund to said buyers because you misrepresented yourself and lied saying that it is now NOT a production used pack shell? No? I didn't think so you thief!

This makes sense bacause then and ONLY THEN could you start waving around your imaginary wand and hoping to get people banned on the racasting rules. (Of which you little whiners have already done)

So how about telling the truth for once instead of lying to the good board members here and over and gbfans? So pick 1 of the 2 truths of this whole debacle!
Tell them of how you:
A) lied about the history of your $700 shell to bob and countless others and laughed about the profit you made behind their backs by selling them a POOR QUALITY RECAST.
B) told the truth about the history of your shell, therefore giving it public domain status and thus "recasting" is not an offense because you and your friends did the same thing.

Either truth you pick, you still lose...and that must be SOOOOO angering to you right now. So you pulled the wool over your buyers eyes and are constantly lying to the board members here. Congratulations you piece of garbage.

As to the picture that you think proved ANYTHING, it never got taken down! It is still up on my wall for all that care to see. But i'll put it up again at the end of this post to save you a step for looking for it.

There is nothing to hide here from my end. I was straight up with the mods and they used decency and intelligence to make the right decision as oppose to Aj over at gbfans...stealing my money (supporting membership) and instantly banning me or anyone who didn't support his childish action of instanban without investigating properly. Much like you have done.

But there will always be pathetic children who never grow up, like you have proven to everyone here and the world over.

But this thread and its follow ups should be about validation and truth, not name calling and crying. So please try to follow this, less you look like a fool.
Now...as to the request to see my work and molding process.
This is NO problem whatsoever, I mean it will end up making you look more like the liar and thief you are anyway. So, here you go! enjoy!

http://s650.photobucket.com/albums/uu226/trendkilleraine/Proton pack/Proton pack mold/
p.s- I decided to shave off the "bumper rest" because it is not screen accurate.
And we have since gotten a new mold made from the cast of this mold (yay we recasted from ourselves!) This was made back in 2009 and started to warp and tear on us =(
So we got a new mold made from a fiberglass pro =D
And you can see our new mold here in this picture (o, look...it was never "taken down":

In closing, I take high offense that just because someone did exactly what you did and are taking from your sales...you name call ME and try to tarnish MY reputation when you don't know me OR my situation. Fight your own war with videobob JUST LIKE I AM...every shell he sells is another sale taken from me as well. I started selling these shells WAAAY before bob got your RECAST. He is taking sales away from me, but atleast I am not name calling you and barking up your tree for selling it to him, am I?

So quit being a little ***** and get your facts straight. Leave me out of your parade of lies and deal directly with YOUR problem with bob...NOT me.


-Trendkiller/RAINE MORENO

 

[Bowelrock]

Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

You and your buddies have posted enough photos of the recast mold and shell castings to hang yourselves. Its going to happen as soon as i have time to show all the details, Why don't you show us a pic of the inside of the mold in question. Make it easier for the Mods to come to a decision. The longer you wait to show off the inside of that mold you two were working out of the worse your going to look. IT is going to happen you will not be a member here for much longer so milk it while you can thanks