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Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

While we are still looking into this whole issue (what a mess). I want to comment on one aspect of Raine's post above that is out of sync with this site's stance on recasting.

There are about as many views on what is and what is not recasting as there are people on this site and I am not going to beat that dead horse here.

What I do want to address is this statement:

trendkiller said:
B) told the truth about the history of your shell, therefore giving it public domain status and thus "recasting" is not an offense because you and your friends did the same thing.
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This is a common attitude we see among people, which boils down to "two wrongs make a right." As a site, we don't accept this view and the fact that one person "recasts" an item does not innately make that item public domain and ok to recast by anyone else. For example, if I bought an original stormtrooper helmet and recast it... that fact that I recast the helmet does NOT make my castings open to being recast by others. Similarly, there is a question, due to different people'e interpretation of what is and what isn't recasting, about whether Ross making copies of the shell he bought from HMS is considered recasting or not. Let me be clear on this point: regardless of whether or not what Ross did is considered recasting, this site does not consider the copies Ross has sold "public domain" or ok to recast and anyone recasting Ross' shell copies or associated with recasting Ross' shell copies will not be welcome here. This is why videobob is no longer welcome here. You can't justify your own misdeeds by saying "he did it too!"
 
Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

All u have to do is post a photo of that Mold we see in the photo above. Lets see the inside of it.
 
Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

I posted over 70 photos of that mold. what are you talking about bowel?! Are you blind? follow the link I posted!

And Art, this policy now seems to be a grandfathered game of favoritism to the people that recasted years ago instead of today. The "recasting" issue is not one I have to worry about because I am selling shells made from a scratch built pack with pictures to prove it (see my previous post).

Im pissed because I got my toes stepped on and accused of doing something I didn't do.....AND the person accusing me is the one that actually has broken the rules...yet he is not being judged. If there is ANYONE worth banning here it is not me. It is Ross.
He is openly admitted to recasting, selling, and profiting from it.

This is now no longer an issue of "You can't justify your own misdeeds by saying "he did it too!""

I am not doing this.

Nor will I continue to jump through hoops for anyone on here to stay here should there be any granfathering of policy. No one is exempt from the rules here. If you play favorites, I wont think twice about just leaving myself and no longer supporting RPF.

raine=selling original work, and posting proof ONE TIME to show that I am being wrongly accused.
ross= selling,sold and admitted to recasting (which is a ban offense)

After I get to the shop to take pictures of every nook of my new mold I will have them ready to post up (probably by wednesday till I get out there again). That is ALL I am willing to do because this is getting way out of hand and turning into a childish schoolyard fight. I have many things to do in my life besides try to prove myself over and over and over to people on a freaking web board. I do it ONCE out of respect to the board of which I care to be a part of. But if this keeps going on ..past the proof then this is not a place I want to be a part of and I will take my leave for other organizations of a higher caliber.

So I want THE MODS, not ross or any other little children bickering about their losses, to give me a request of any pics/video/ material sample....what the hell EVER it takes to see the truth here. I want the mods or Art, since it seems he is the one on top of this, to post on here for all to see. Tell me exactly what proofs you want and need. Stated twice for importance. I couldn't care less about trying to prove anything to the already guilty recasters as ross and his buddies.

I will provide a set of proofs ONE more time then I am closing out this thread without looking at it again. Like I said, I have a life and it is not spent trolling forums or crying to mods because someone else is doing what I already did, that is NOT ok.

oh btw..for your consideration is all of the truths about this whole mess in a short video. Now, this really sucks because like I said before Videobobs shells HURT my sales. So I don't really back the fact that he is now selling GB shells...but I cant stop him or anyone else! But EVERYTHING that is stated in the video has backing from HMS, SEAN BISHOP....too many VALID people saying throughout this whole situation they on our side (in that we were wrongly judged). ALL the facts are on OUR side. Take a peak and get enlightened. Now...should my post get tampered with this video will no longer be on this post. But it is host on YOutube via video bob.

All I care is that my name is cleared, and for justice to be served here. The facts are now all out on the table. I hope you make the right decision in this matter. I don't agree with you banning select people. You stay the course and ban ALL offenders and deem that all of these castings by sean,ross,videobob, and HMS are INFACT "recasting" and NOT acceptable

or

you agree with the facts and let this whole situation die out because it is NOT an "recasting" offense and no one gets banned, and those that did in this matter..get restored.

So whats it gonna be?

Here is the video :http://youtu.be/-C_RhiOmp18
 
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Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

'Demanding' a mod chooses 'option A or B' isn't going to get you anything whatsoever I'm afraid.

Bottom line is that Art is the owner of this site, and his judgement has always been shown to be fair and impartial in these matters.

You presented your case, now let him decide.

If you don't like the way things are handled, and as you yourself said, you have no time to waste, and you are free to leave if you wish.

trendkiller said:
..... I wont think twice about just leaving myself and no longer supporting RPF.......
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Your 23 posts of support and contribution to the community will be sorely missed.

My apologies for being blunt, but the end to your last post sounded very antagonistic.
 
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Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

trendkiller said:
SEAN BISHOP....too many VALID people saying throughout this whole situation they on our side
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Sean Bishop has never once said he was on your or Bob's side, he'd very much like to be left out of this mess entirely after the way he was brought into it.


Frankly, there's a simple solution to all this: Blackball the selling of any Proton Pack shells that are claimed to be sourced from a Sony produced-mold.
 
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Kingpin said:
Frankly, there's a simple solution to all this: Blackball the selling of any Proton Pack shells that are claimed to be sourced from a Sony produced-mold.
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It's a good idea, but the drawback to that is that whoever wants to sell copies from that mold, all they'd have to do is not say that the mold is from the Sony produced-molds. And as a result, how would you really know if you were buying a copy from an original mold constructed by the person who is selling it or from the Sony produced molds?

I'm not taking any sides on this thing, but this situation does present a very good question: what makes a person who makes a casting from a studio produced mold different from someone who makes a mold and casting from a casting of that mold? I mean, making a copy of a cast that was scratch built by a user (like how Arsenal Models has done to many users and artists of the past) I get as being wrong because that cast was constructed from scratch by a user who took the time to do the research and had the skill to construct it. But where does the line drawn come to play when the person who is claiming that someone else is recasting their work when their work is, basically, a recast from the original mold that was produced by the studio and not by the user himself?

Seriously, this topic is one of those that make you really think. And I've got a feeling it may lead mods and users alike to re-evaluate this kind of question. I don't know if it'll lead to a change (as stated before, it's up to Art), but I'm sure a lot of users are going to be wondering about this type of question for a while after this if they're not wondering about it right now.
 
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CB2001 said:
Seriously, this topic is one of those that make you really think. And I've got a feeling it may lead mods and users alike to re-evaluate this kind of question. I don't know if it'll lead to a change (as stated before, it's up to Art), but I'm sure a lot of users are going to be wondering about this type of question for a while after this if they're not wondering about it right now.
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It's been an issue since before I joined here, and it will continue long after I've left (whatever circumstances may precipitate that departure, I don't know). These threads are, at best, amusing. They never seem to reslove much apart from getting someone banned. I could comment further, but as in the past, there's not much point to it.

Hopefully it'll all be resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Well, everyone who remains a member, anyway.
 
Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

trendkiller and GBFreak83 have been banned for recasting. Despite his claims to the contrary and despite his doctored eBay auctions, trendkiller is indeed selling recast copies of Ross' pack under the eBay ID legendary_treasures.

eBay My World - legendary_treasures

While we can't stop what has happened or will continue to happen, these individuals are no longer welcome here, or at any of our sites.
 
Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

Zombie Killer said:
Java, HMS was hired and got paid for their work and the prop by Sony. It is Sonys property. HMS has no permission to give.
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Exactly. Aren't you in fact doing what he is doing? Reproducing someone else's work. I've never understood the complexities of recasting.
 
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The kicker was this for me. He really admits to everyone that he is helping bob with this one statement.

"too many VALID people saying throughout this whole situation they on our side (in that we were wrongly judged). ALL the facts are on OUR side."

Also Posting your photobucket album, which contains the SAME pictures you are using on your current ebay auction selling the recast is also pretty ***ing dumb! Just goes to show you the kind of people they are.


Id like to thank Art and the mods for helping me resolve this.
 
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The fact that this was handled so poorly and in the public eye shows how sad of a situation this really is. Who'd buy from someone who acts-out like that anyway??


...professionalism just flew out the window.
 
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Monster Dave said:
...professionalism just flew out the window.
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You have no idea how right you are. Bob has posted ANOTHER one of his rant videos and even goes so far as to imply physical action against AJ near the end of the video.

I can't begin to tell you how many times I heard the same crap from this guy over the years. He's nutty as a loon and get even more crazy when there is some money or ego stroke to be had. I'm absolutley gobsmacked that anybody would give him a TV Show. Then again, I think 99.9% of reality TV is dysfunctional anywa, so I suppose I shouldn't be THAT surprised.

If people want to see some crazy stuff, I should make a video with some of his e-mail rants to me and tell some of the other stuff he's done over the years. :wacko

-Gary
 
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3 things:

1) I am happy that they are banned, recasting is unnaceptable!

2) This is why I would ONLY buy or sell to a few reliable people

3) Mods; Is there a list with members and why they were banned? This would be beneficial for members.
 
Re: My Sony/Universal studios proton pack shell has been recast. With help from RPF U

OneHotHemi said:
Exactly. Aren't you in fact doing what he is doing? Reproducing someone else's work. I've never understood the complexities of recasting.
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What are you talking about? Reproducing is what 90% of this site is about. I have not cast or put a ruler on anyones parts.
 
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