RED ALERT Lost 3 ft TOS Enterprise found????
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Maurice
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We're super happy David let us publish his article on FACT TREK. He'd figured out most of this a while back after obtaining the film, but — being a good researcher — wanted to see the hologram to verify his theories before putting the story out there. It's difficult to claw back incorrect information once it's in the wild. It's also why he and we don't like to engage in speculation, even if the evidence strongly points in a given direction. People tend to file off qualifiers and make absolutes out of that which is speculative.
joberg
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You're right about "info/stories/misinformation"!! If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes a truth. Thank the Maker that people like David & all did the hard work of properly researching the subject to quell those false stories once and for all
Maurice
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Well, not to ding anyone, but we've seen too often where people speculate and draw the wrong conclusions and how that sticks in the public consciousness and it's difficult to undo. A good example of this is the mythology around why NBC slotted Star Trek on Friday nights at 10pm in its 3rd season, which we dug into and finally settled after 50+ years of rumor, speculation and tall tales posing as fact. The answer was right there in the trades, just no one had ever bothered to do the legwork.You're right about "info/stories/misinformation"!! If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes a truth. Thank the Maker that people like David & all did the hard work of properly researching the subject to quell those false stories once and for all
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Maurice
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Like it or not, it bested both Gunsmoke and The Lucy Show, and was #1 in the ratings for several years. It commanded way more money in ad revenue per minute than Star Trek could ever hope to, and that's why NBC left it in the early Monday slot where Trek was originally planned to go for its third season. Pure economics.
But I'm getting off-topic. Sorry.
Trek World
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The Jennings thing has a different spin on it right now. She was 100% sure her dad paid for it. But it's far more likely she's miss-remembering something from her childhood. She knew of the model in the storage unit, and her story matched what the storage company and Dustin/Jason had discussed.
At that point (back in June), I knew that the Hollingsworth daughter and the Jennings daughter were two different people. I just had to tie them together some how. I knew that Jennings matched the whole "Roddenberry" side of the story. With Dustin's help, I was able to track the hologram down and that now tied everything together as far as the chain of custody.
As far as the legal situation stands.... everyone on the Heritage side of the house is still going strong on the hope they can prove legal ownership is Roddenberry's. There's a state law and a legal precedent that says otherwise. But that's for the Judge to decide.
Lightning
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can you expand on this? what are the relevant CA laws? And how does an object being stolen inside a unit factor in? Is there also debate on if the Enterprise qualifies as stolen?
mach7
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I was wondering the same thing.
I apologize if I've missed something. It seems to me from what I've read here and whats on the videos, that the model did belong to
Roddenberry. It was gifted to him by Paramount in the '70s.
No one, as far as I have seen/read has come forth with any documentation to show that Roddenberry sold or transferred ownership of the model.
The Jennings family member has only a memory from long ago, no actual documentation that her father ever legally owned it.
Nor does it appear that the model was ever legally owned by BHI, it was just loaned to them, and possibly purposely never returned.
Has anyone else come forward with any legitimate legal claim to the model? Or is it just the Jennings daughters weak claim all that is blocking
the final decision?
I am not a legal expert at all, so I could easily be miss-understanding the situation.
In any event, thanks to everyone who has added information on how the model got to where it is today.
I apologize if I've missed something. It seems to me from what I've read here and whats on the videos, that the model did belong to
Roddenberry. It was gifted to him by Paramount in the '70s.
No one, as far as I have seen/read has come forth with any documentation to show that Roddenberry sold or transferred ownership of the model.
The Jennings family member has only a memory from long ago, no actual documentation that her father ever legally owned it.
Nor does it appear that the model was ever legally owned by BHI, it was just loaned to them, and possibly purposely never returned.
Has anyone else come forward with any legitimate legal claim to the model? Or is it just the Jennings daughters weak claim all that is blocking
the final decision?
I am not a legal expert at all, so I could easily be miss-understanding the situation.
In any event, thanks to everyone who has added information on how the model got to where it is today.
Any accurate replicas produced must have the option to have the Enterprise with “Fresh Pine Sol Scent”….
Maurice
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Given how many props and things wander off the sets of completed/cancelled film and TV projects trying to tar Roddenberry with taking that model means you'd have to tar a lot of other people on the show for the same thing. Does anyone suppose Matt Jefferies had a receipt that allowed him to keep a Klingon ship? Back in 1995 Greg Jein told me that after ST—TMP they just gave a lot of elements away to people because Paramount had no interest in the stuff, let alone paying to store it. To paraphrase what happened to models built for Spock's spacewalk, he said they would tell visitors to his shop, "Here, take a planet!"
joberg
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Well, it's because of that type of actions that some props/models were saved from the skip
David Tilotta
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A small update to the article about the Lost Voyage of the small model of the USS Enterprise is now live at Fact Trek. You can read the new material -- and see what's there -- here.
The major additions are the inclusion of Andrew Probert's recollection and a short video of the Enterprise hologram shot at the museum.
Thanks Maurice and Michael at Fact Trek!
The major additions are the inclusion of Andrew Probert's recollection and a short video of the Enterprise hologram shot at the museum.
Thanks Maurice and Michael at Fact Trek!
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Maurice
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Here's a brief ping-ponged clip of the hologram. The longer clip is near the bottom of the updated article (linked here).
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