Prometheus (Post-release)

terryr said:
It's amazing how full of holes the plot is, and yet the 'writers' never noticed.
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You can't be all that surprised if you have seen LOST. Seasons and seasons of build up with absolutely ZERO payoff or explanation. To me, it worked to a degree in Prometheus, especially considering that there is the intention of another movie, but didn't work for LOST at all, and I can see some of that same mindset transitioning over from one to the other, the difference being with a show like LOST, there was never a coherent thread and they simply kept trying to keep people watching by making believe that some day this would all make some sort of sense and be answered. They strung people along for 6 seasons, pretending that they had a vision, when there was none (waiting for Guri to come in and argue for the genius of LOST, but I didn't see it). I think there is logic and purpose behind what we saw in Prometheus. Perhaps every possible connection wasn't considered, but I don't necessarily think everything that wasn't answered was done so because there wasn't an answer (which is the main difference between this movie and LOST).
 
binkleywalker said:
I had a bigger problem with Vickers trying to out run the crashing spaceship in a straight line from the ship. Like if you cut a tree down and run out the way it's falling. Take two steps to the left or right, like the other one did, and it misses you!
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Yogi Bear never learned this either.
 
Which is a good reason why it would be a good idea to get rid of someone who's good at building up things but has no capability to present a worthy payoff in the next movie. He built it up, now bring in someone who can deliver the payoff to what was built up.

If the second movie is just more of the same - build up of something else, unrelated, without paying off the first build-up and never intending to present a worthy payoff for the new build-up either, but leaving everything hanging - then everything is screwed.

We need someone who can deliver the punch line to the joke - not meaning the movie was a joke, just using the joke analogy.
 
I truly truly paid close attention as Ridley explained he was not making an Alien film. So I cleaned my palate prior to walking into the theater. The only connection I knew of was the space jockey, plus I hoped for a Giger-esque alien critter. I was definitely awed by the space jockey presentation. When that chair rises out of the floor I was like 12 again! I was only slightly disappointed by the lack of Giger's Alien creature. But at least the derelict ship was more or less intact from the original design. I still have more questions than answers and I suppose this was Ridley's plan for future films, but that's kind of risky in case your film is a flop. I did like the 3D, but I wish our IMAX theater were better because I don't see enough difference from the RealD 3D except for the cost. I did at least see the beginnings of the familiar life cycle, but I'm confused by the "cylinders" versus the familiar eggs. And what was with the weird cone head alien creature at the end? What was trying to pop out of it's head? Supposed to be a tongue? Will this become a queen and lay eggs in the next movie??? The interior of the P ship did have a Nostromo feel to it. Loved that. Loved the android David because it was a very nice homage to Ash. I want to see it again in 2D so I can avoid being distracted by the freaking glasses. Of all the characters in the film, I saw zero value in Theron's character aside from setting the tone for the "Company does not have your best interests at heart" theme. Aside from that, she was just good entertainment for the captain....LOL. Cryosleep chambers and kitchen scenes were reminiscent of Nostromo, moreso than any of the other Alien installment films. It did feel like a R. Scott Alien film except I wanted to have more "scares". All in all I'd give it a B.
 
Art Andrews said:
While the reality is, our modern world tech has changed since the 70s and that is the real reason for the tech difference, I suppose the excuse could be that even though Prometheus happened almost a century earlier, you are looking at the absolute best of the best in technology when it comes to Prometheus, and you are looking at the lowest of the lowly space trucker rig when you are looking at the Nostromo. Not sure if that is really a good answer or not, but it is all I have.
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What was the figure stated in Aliens about the value of Nostromo? "42 million in adjusted dollars. That's minus payload, of course."

Nostromo might have been a decades old freighter, easily pre-dating Prometheus. Still a valuable company asset for a Warrant Officer to decide to destroy, but orders of magnitude less than the trillion dollar Prometheus expedition. The adjusted dollar amount over the 30 years between can't possibly bring those figures anywhere close. The dollar would have to have been more than 23,000 times more valuable 30 years later!
 
apollo said:
That may be but word of mouth is already killing it

All here who liked it better go 3 or 4 times to support it because if not this will tank.
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I went to see it again 'cos I thought it was a good movie :rolleyes
 
Well. I have had a good nites sleep. Well rested.

On further reflection and thinking about everything with a clear mind I can now be fair and say.

I REALLY REALLY think it is a bad movie. I used an adjective. Thats a big deal.

Right back at ya One-Eye.:lol:lol

The best thing about the movie for me is it did not cost me but a bucket of popcorn and 2 waters. My kids bought the tickets for us.

Wasnt this supposed to be in 3D? if so where was it?


Cary:cool


Cary
 
As fascinating as all the different arguements are it was the lack of respect for the basic sciences that really annoyed me. For a film that at the bottom line was discussing the creation of life it hadn't a clue about how the very basic elements of biology operate.
In the very first scene we get an engineer who appears to dissolve himself to apparently start all life because there was none before he came to Earth. HOW the HELL was he breathing then? There was NO FREE OXYGEN in the atmosphere until it was produced by the photosythesising microrganisms about a billion and a half years ago and it was at least another half a billion years later before it reached a level of concentration where it could be breathed by anything bigger than a frog, let alone a giant naked humanoid.And then he destroyed his DNA code to start all life- oh come on!!!
So within the first thirty seconds the film about the supposed answers to our origin are just pure nonesense. And then we get the rest of it. Scientists pulling off helmets,life sensing probes that can detect a hybernating engineer through a solid rock doorway BUT cannot detect worms crawling in the soil (all soil is basically worm**it) of a room they've just entered. And what were those little crawly things eatting eatting? Apparently NOT the head that did NOT rot in the room for thousands of years, because it was supposed to be sterile and lifeless?
And the DNA of the engineer is identical to human DNA. After three billion years!!!! I could just go on and on but I won't because I'll be told ,well its a science fiction film so what do you expect?
The answer is for a science fiction film about the creation of life and mankind I would expect SOMETHING to make biological sense which was the most thrilling thing about the ALIEN and arguably ALIENS. There seemed to be some underlying biological theory that worked, unlike Prometheus, which made absolutely none at all to me. And that could have been very easily solved if somebody with the slightest bit of common sense had been allowed to critique the script.
It looked brilliant, the designs were (apart from the creatures) superb and occasionally breathtaking. The general production values were well above what you'd find in most films and the acting standards from the main leads definitely higher than you'd expect in most science fiction movies. There was an absolutely classic film straining to get out of there but it was held back by a poorly thought , badly plotted and paced screenplay that gave no time or discussion to all the underlying questions it raised. That, the constant drone of the Star Trek like theme, the frankly stupid things the characters did and the abrupt open ended climax made it far less of a work than it could have been. I have to say if many people are confused by it, thats entirely the fault of the story and its writer.
For example if most people think they are supposed to be on LV426 its probably because LV426 was a giant ringed planet ,quite like the one they inexplicably choose to have again in Prometheus, and they are also on a small moon orbiting it ,like in Alien. Couldn't they have made the difference greatter and saved the confusion? And it was misdirection like that which helped to make it less of a great movie for me into something that was just average.
I'm glad its got its supporters because if it doesn't pull in the necessary profits to warrant a sequel then ,similarly to John Carters poor performance, alot of sci fi films will never get developed because the studios won't risk it.
 
ok, ive got a few answers for a couple questions.... yes it was most likely earth that they landed on and seeded, they came back every few thousand years to check on us and leave clues to come visit them, why did they want to send us to their military base?

WELL thousands of years have passed since the last time they came and visited, they came, visited, and everything was peaceful, why WOULDNT they want to invite us to the place that we were created from? who BETTER to deal with their creation, the scientists that created them, or random nobodies in a city, that might, or might not, have any clue?

if i was one of the engineers and i wanted to finally meet the people i had helped create, i would invite them back to my lab, NOT new york city

also, thousands of years have passed, whos to say their lab wasnt a peaceful place the last time they sent someone here and left a clue.. they had a few thousand years to change this engineer lab into a military fortress between then and now.

AND if you spent millions of dollars and time and had all the equipment to make a race of people and went through all that trouble, then something suddenly changes, and you had to go about destroying your creation, are you going to go out and build a new base, or are you going to re-purpose your already existing base, and use all the equipment you already have available at the current location? it just makes sense...

THEN the **** hits the fan and the base is wiped out by the crap your making to destroy your invention.
 
That's a good point and distinction. What we are saying is a weapons depot really is a place of worship and creation. It just so happens that to create they also need to destroy. So this isn't a place of destruction but creation.
 
Saw it today and really enjoyed it. Still have several questions, and wonder if a sequel is in the works. Overall, I can think of worse ways to spend $7 for entertainment on a lazy Sunday afternoon :)
 
just came back from my second trip to imax to see this, my opinions have changed, I gave it a 5/10 on first viewing, and now I give it 8/10

Even the soundtrack seemed better the second time around, it was overall much more enjoyable and I came out much happier from the second viewing.

I wasn't tired and had no expectations, this made all the difference. I'm converted, its a great movie

Yep, it has flaws but I'm over 40 and cant re live things for the first time, even those things had flaws and I still love em today.

I really like Prometheus, there I said it.
 
I am becoming even more convinced the more spoiled you are prior too seeing this film the more positive the reaction to the first viewing i am seeing that all over the place on other forums.
 
I got a kick out of it. I want another. I love the nod to Lawrence of Arabia, it was just a groovy film, the set design was fantastic.
 
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