Prometheus (Post-release)

Welcome to the Prmetheus adoration club Art! :)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Fifield turning his space suit into a bong, and how did he get that to work, and how could you BREATH smoke.

I popped in the directors cut of ALIEN. I've always loved the opening shots in Alien and wanted to compare them with Prometheus. And the tech isn't the same, but the style sure is.

I really liked the hypersleep scene in Prometheus. The gold/green lighting was incredibly cool. Watching Alien now, it reminds me of the chamber they use to communicate with mother.
 
Kit Rae, that has got to be one of the best thought out summaries that I have read regarding the storyline of "Prometheus", and there are certainly aspects in there that I would not have guessed at in a million years,no, make that three billion years.
BUT:
They want to kill off the entirety of Mankind because they killed ***** ******? . I would point out that Christianity didn't really get going until well after the sacrifice on the cross (about a thousand years). What about the rest of all the world religions? More of those than Christians at that time. Including those that believed in many Gods and the myth of Prometheus.Sounds a bit bloody harsh to me.
Also the engineers head being in state of perfect preservation? After 2000 years? Bearing in mind it was cut off at the neck? And the first thing the people expose as they tread into the SOIL of the room is small worms? Give me a break or actually next time give the script to a college kid who can point out the basic mistakes and poor science.
I didn't hate the movie, same as I didn't hate LOST to begin with. That was a religious experience to start with ,everybody arguing joyfully about it until the writing could not support all the open ended questions, misdirections, separated realities of the series and in the end gave us TWO endings that attempted to explain it all but ultimately disappointed a large number of FANS. And I note with interest, we are now being promised two sequels if we pay enough to want to get the real answers, one that explains the ALIEN properly and one that goes off in a very "different direction".
 
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Noeland said:
And the tech isn't the same, but the style sure is.
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If I am not mistaken, there is a little less than 100 years difference between Prometheus and Alien. While the reality is, our modern world tech has changed since the 70s and that is the real reason for the tech difference, I suppose the excuse could be that even though Prometheus happened almost a century earlier, you are looking at the absolute best of the best in technology when it comes to Prometheus, and you are looking at the lowest of the lowly space trucker rig when you are looking at the Nostromo. Not sure if that is really a good answer or not, but it is all I have.
 
You know, I shouldn't have been that surprised that those two scientists got lost. I was there when Ridley Scott got lost on his own set tour.
 
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They want to kill off the entirety of Mankind because they killed ***** ******? . I would point out that Christianity didn't really get going until well after the sacrifice on the cross. What about the rest of all the world religions? Sounds a bit bloody harsh to me.
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I think this comes back to the dropped idea that ****** was an Engineer, sent as a last attempt to straighten humanity out and when we killed Him the Engineers decided our time was through. It wasn't about the rise of Christianity, but our rejection/killing of their emissary. Think 300. The Persians sent an Emissary to try to "persuade" the Spartans. Spartans killed him. Persians attacked.

In regard to the engineers being harsh, how often do we "create" a petri dish of life, introduce an external agent, and if the contents of the dish doesn't respond the way we want, we just throw it out and start again. This seems to be the view the engineers take with us. We were an interesting experiment, but we have no real value and since we aren't working out the way they expected, they are just going to wipe us out and probably start again... except something went wrong on their end before they could carry out their plans.
 
I never thought of Ripley as being particularly likeable, but I think she's very believable, in the first movie, at least.

Ripley in Alien seems to me like that smart kid that should have been a top-ranked officer, but whose face doesn't fit. There's something slightly 'off' about her, and she's ended up in a crappy job on a freighter.

She stays alive in Alien through thinking on her feet, having that questioning 'edge' and quite a bit of luck. Beyond that, she's kind of uptight and aloof, and it doesn't appear that the rest of the crew like her much. Her gender is pretty irrelevant(O'Bannon's script actually states the crew's genders as being interchangeable at the behest of the director)

In Aliens, Cameron added all the 'empowered female stuff, and made the movie about her, which changed the direction of the series. Ripley becomes an action heroine, and accordingly, less believable. I find the 'two mothers' thing in Aliens pretty grating, but I just don't like the whole Alien Queen/Bug thing at all, or the shift from the alien to Ripley as the focus of the series.

Having said all that, Cameron made the character iconic, which she really wasn't in Alien.

I think Shaw is potentially a more sympathetic character, but she's underwritten, and Rapace's performance doesn't 'fill in the blanks' like Weaver's did. I kind of wish that Scott had gone for a male lead this time, to cut off the inevitable Ripley/Shaw comparisons. If they make another movie, the writing is going to have to be a lot smarter if they are going to avoid just repeating Ripley's arc.
 
Maybe the geologist was high at the time? I think they wrote that in to give him character traits to explain why the got lost, he was more concerned with toking than looking at the map.



Flamethrower works fine because

"PORTABLE DECONTAMINATION PACK
Weyland introduces unique expedition security apparatus able to decontaminate indoor and outdoor environments. Apparatus mines surrounding air for flammable compounds, making it ultra light-weight as well as self-replenishing."
 
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Although I agree with the analysis of why the Engineers wanted to destroy us, to be fair it is not clear at all based on what is on screen.
 
I think this comes back to the dropped idea that ****** was an Engineer, sent as a last attempt to straighten humanity out and when we killed Him the Engineers decided our time was through.
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I don't think that idea was dropped exactly...Scott has said that explicitly stating it in the movie was 'too on the nose', but it seems very much still on his agenda.​
 
Could not stand Theron. I expected her to be a robot like David. I was really hoping that something very bad would happen to her. As for Rapace, have you ever had morphine? Well having had multiple knee surgeries stemming from the military, I can tell you that I could have ran a marathon the same day of having surgery. Would it hurt, of course, but it is amazing what you can do with the right amount of morphine. I can only imagine whatever drug was in that needle she injected herself with, was some very good stuff.

I'll agree with what the mass majority has stated in regards to some of the more unbelievable wtf writing. Honestly, my eyes were rolling a lot. Still enjoyed it though.
 
Well, its taken $50 million in the US this weekend so the returns at $140 worldwide, providing there is not a massive drop off, should take it into profit and possibly sequel territory soon.
 
Ripley was not the heroine of Alien she was the survivor. She did what most people would do in that situation, run like hell. The alien forced her to act by stowing away on the shuttle. She had no choice but to try something to survive. Ripley was far more interesting to me in Alien and Alien 3 than in Aliens where she was the more generic hero character.

I liked Shaw because she was not the Aliens super heroine.
 
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Although I agree with the analysis of why the Engineers wanted to destroy us, to be fair it is not clear at all based on what is on screen.
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But isn't that what makes it interesting to talk about? You are right. It ISN'T clear. There are hints here and there, but the answer isn't spelled out, so we can create almost anything to fill those gaps. Maybe some people see that as bad story-telling, but again, I think if done well, it sparks the imagination more than if we were spoon fed every detail.

Why does Shaw still believe?

What did happen 2000 years ago? (It may have nothing at all to do with ******, especially since that was taken out of the script or never even added, but just was a loose idea)

What was the original purpose of LV-223? (I am thinking less and less that Janek's theory in the movie is correct.)

What was really happening in that opening scene?

Most importantly, if the Engineers created us, who created the engineers?

These are much more interesting questions to me than the nitpicking about flamethrowers and the engineer's ability to breath high concentrations of CO2.

I, for one, LOVE that this movie never really answers the questions that the team goes to find and that the end of the movie shows the survivors choosing to continue to seek those answers.
 
Oh I agree, Art, and I hope people who have been dissapointed in the film give it another chance after a proper vetting. My point was I can understand a lot of the general confusion felt by some. To be honest had I not spoiled myself rotten reading all the Prometheus threads and reviews I am not sure what my reaction to the film would have been.
 
Art Andrews said:
But isn't that what makes it interesting to talk about? You are right. It ISN'T clear. There are hints here and there, but the answer isn't spelled out, so we can create almost anything to fill those gaps. Maybe some people see that as bad story-telling, but again, I think if done well, it sparks the imagination more than if we were spoon fed every detail.
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The problem is without any on screen clue of suggestion of why they suddenly decided a multi million year experiment suddenly need terminated, you can make up ANY reason and every one of them is perfectly valid.

My reason?

An Engineer visited Earth and saw a Lady Gaga concert.
 
That may be but word of mouth is already killing it

All here who liked it better go 3 or 4 times to support it because if not this will tank.


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Well, its taken $50 million in the US this weekend so the returns at $140 worldwide, providing there is not a massive drop off, should take it into profit and possibly sequel territory soon.
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