Paul,
Thanks for the tip, id figured that i may have got the mixture slightly heavy one way or another, i was busy trying to calculate weights with the pigment added etc. Ill give it a go as soon as im fully awake
Alieneater, try sculpting
one of the reasons i post these kinds of threds is to try show people that if i can do it, so can anyone else with alittle patience..... ok stubborness just do not give in
thanks again guys, i have visitors coming today for the weekend, but i should be able to box him off by the start of December