PG-13 ruined movies

At least they're starting to indicate to viewers why a movie is rated the way it is (e.g.: PG-13 for language and crude humor, R for graphic violence and brief nudity, etc). The system's inherently flawed by being a subjective assessment of what crosses which line, but it beats outright censorship.
 
PG-13 doesn't ruin movies. Suits ruin movies.

That being said, R rated movies are ruined by over the top blood gushing and nudity. To me an R rated film should be as real as possible when it comes to blood and gore, not 10 gallons of blood exploding out of a body.

The only R rated movies I can think of lately have ridiculous amounts of blood and boobs just for the sake of having them. I get that some people just want to have an over the top movie going experience for laughs, but common. Can we get some REAL story telling while also including REAL levels of blood effects?

Growing up PG-13 was meant for teenagers, R was meant for adults. Parents sent their children to their rooms while they watched an R rated film. IMO back then it was because of the kind of story being told, PLUS the violence level.

Now I couldn't tell you what the ratings mean. I don't even associate ratings with movies anymore. Too many sissy-pants whining about how their children's minds are being ruined by movies and video games. You know what? I watched RoboCop when I was 11 with my dad. It didn't scar me for life. I played GTA when I was 13. I didn't go on a killing spree.

That's because my parents taught me the difference between right and wrong. Something that most parents must have stopped doing years ago.
 
That being said, R rated movies are ruined by over the top blood gushing and nudity. To me an R rated film should be as real as possible when it comes to blood and gore, not 10 gallons of blood exploding out of a body.

The only R rated movies I can think of lately have ridiculous amounts of blood and boobs just for the sake of having them. I get that some people just want to have an over the top movie going experience for laughs, but common. Can we get some REAL story telling while also including REAL levels of blood effects?

I can see that partially being linked to the PG era too. With many movies being tamed down to a PG-13, the R rated movies go out of their way to "earn" their rating, as a bit of a selling point gimmick for people old enough to see them. I think the line of thought there is "if it's going to get R rated, we may as well go all out so it sells."

While I understand the decision business-wise to cut movies to PG-13, making a movie to fit the rating is backwards imo. Movies should be made to whatever the story calls for, and then whatever you produce gets rated. I feel like Hollywood movies these days have to be one extreme or the other.
This is why I tend to avoid Hollywood movies these days, and gravitate towards older movies, and foreign movies (and occasionally indie movies), because they feel much more natural in terms of their usage of language and violence, instead of being such a conscious and often contrived decision motivated purely by money.
 
Movies should be made to whatever the story calls for, and then whatever you produce gets rated.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. Or at the very least have a dumbed down version for theaters and then release the real version they wanted released.
 
I can see that partially being linked to the PG era too. With many movies being tamed down to a PG-13, the R rated movies go out of their way to "earn" their rating, as a bit of a selling point gimmick for people old enough to see them. I think the line of thought there is "if it's going to get R rated, we may as well go all out so it sells."

While I understand the decision business-wise to cut movies to PG-13, making a movie to fit the rating is backwards imo. Movies should be made to whatever the story calls for, and then whatever you produce gets rated. I feel like Hollywood movies these days have to be one extreme or the other.
This is why I tend to avoid Hollywood movies these days, and gravitate towards older movies, and foreign movies (and occasionally indie movies), because they feel much more natural in terms of their usage of language and violence, instead of being such a conscious and often contrived decision motivated purely by money.

Exactly. Hence my comment above. The real issue isn't so much the ratings system itself (although that has problems, too), but rather the fact that Hollywood is geared around maximizing profit above all else, including telling a good story. Towards that end, they'll eliminate violence JUST to get a film to a PG-13 rating, because they believe that you can bring in bigger crowds for such a film. They're right, probably, too. Parents will let their 11-year-old go to a PG-13 film, but might balk at sending the kid to an R-rated film. And as long as the film is structured and marketed effectively, you know the older audiences will still show up. So, you get your widest piece of the demographic pie with a PG-13 rating, and therefore, you target the film to that. End of story.

So, that means less sex, less explicit violence, but you can still have more adult "themes" like sexual INNUENDO or IMPLIED violence.


Personally, I'd rather the story be the story, but let's be honest here: that's not the case with ANY Hollywood film nowadays, outside of Oscar-bait. When you look at the genres that this board is drawn to (sci-fi, superheroes, fantasy, action), you're pretty much guaranteed to have some sanitized PG-13 product because that's how you score the biggest market.

And from a production standpoint, this all makes perfect sense. I mean, why WOULDN'T you do that? Why would you knowingly eliminate a decent portion of your audience just to show some boobs and blood spatter? You can still do 'splosions. You can still do a naked back or implied sex. You don't need the rest, necessarily.


I also think that this ties into Sandman's point above, that the few R-rated movies you DO see these days are often way over the top in their violence, to an almost cartoonish degree. Example: the relatively recent Rambo film where Rambo uses an M2 .50 cal on a guy at point blank range and basically evaporates the dude (well, his head anyway), all using mostly CGI for the blood and gore. Now, while it's true that that's what a .50 cal does vs. infantry, the scene seems almost gratuitous. It's extreme, particularly in a landscape of otherwise sanitized violence. Same story with the recent Dredd film. The violence was extreme. It fit the film, but it was extreme nonetheless. By contrast, if you go back to a lot of the 80s action flicks, the violence really isn't that intense.
 
The movie I think is responsible for the PG-13 rating is "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom".

That, along with Gremlins, was indeed what got the discussion really going about creating the rating.
 
...I don't even associate ratings with movies anymore. Too many sissy-pants whining about how their children's minds are being ruined by movies and video games. You know what? I watched RoboCop when I was 11 with my dad. It didn't scar me for life. I played GTA when I was 13. I didn't go on a killing spree. That's because my parents taught me the difference between right and wrong. Something that most parents must have stopped doing years ago.
I couldn't agree more. The first movie I saw in a theater was Bonnie and Clyde (1967) when I was six years old. Though the violence in the movie is reasonably tame by today's standards, it's still considered to be a very violent movie for the era. But I managed to leave the theater and live my life without becoming a violent person because even at the age of six I understood it was a movie and that most normal people don't behave that way.

Temple of Doom should have been rated X for Capshaw's acting and screaming.
Willie Scott absolutely ruins that movie for me, but I blame Lucas and the writers for creating that character, and Spielberg for directing her to act that way; Capshaw was simply doing her job as instructed.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the MPAA ratings system. I think there is a thread on This Film Is Not Yet Rated.

I suppose this thread would be more about movie studios ruining movies by dumbing them down for younger audiences. Not directly the MPAA's fault, but the greedy studios going after the dollars over artistic quality. I just linked that mindset to the PG-13 rating.
 
I think anything done in the Horror genre should just get an R rating. The subject matter of horror is not something children should be rated ok to see and if you want it to be a true scary flick it usually will need to get into R territory. I can't think of one PG-13 film that scared the crap out of me.

G - All ages
PG - Family Okay to see; no gore; mild language
PG-13 - Not recommended for little children; blood minimal/fantasy violence; moderate language (No F bombs or strong offensive slang)
R - Everything else (well except getting into NC-17+ territory, haha)

Films made for adults need to stay R. I'm so tired of these films shooting for the PG13 rating to get kids to see something that wasn't meant for them, but watered down on technicality to get their butts in the seats and make some coin on marketing. It really dilutes the quality of what could be a much stronger film. It should all be about the story. If there's subject matter not appropriate for an age group, tough crap. You don't take an adult-oriented storyline and water down aspects of it so a younger crowd can watch it. That's my opinion at least.

Look at a simple film like Dumb and Dumber. Funny comedy! Have you ever tried watching the TV Edit though? It really sucks! You water down the language that makes some of the effectiveness of how those jokes are conveyed or visuals and then it's just unwatchable or not funny at all. Pretty much any TV Edited theatrical film is terrible.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the MPAA ratings system. I think there is a thread on This Film Is Not Yet Rated.

I suppose this thread would be more about movie studios ruining movies by dumbing them down for younger audiences. Not directly the MPAA's fault, but the greedy studios going after the dollars over artistic quality. I just linked that mindset to the PG-13 rating.

But what do you expect, the studios are in it for the money and always have been, they're a business and movies are how they make their money. Add to that how much a movie costs to make these days you can certainly understand why the major studios try to make PG-13 movies in order to get the most butts into seats. Don't get me wrong, I like a good movie as much as the next person here but I don't necessarily feel that the studios are being overly greedy by wanting to get as large a return on their investment as possible by making a movie PG-13.

Another thing to consider is that as times change so do tastes, what appealed to audiences 5 - 10 years ago don't necessarily appeal to audiences today and don't mention movies tastes from decades ago. Take the late 70s/early 80s for instance, back then disaster movies were all the rage from airplane crashes to natural disasters you had all kinds of disaster movies, fast forward to today they are few and far between and you'd have a hard time selling a movie like the old disaster movies of the 70s & 80s.
 
Poltergeist was rated PG... Probably would've gotten a PG-13 post 1984. I'd say WWZ was pretty intense at PG-13...

I don't think gore makes a horror movie scary. Halloween had very little blood and would get a PG-13 by today's standard, if the nudity was taken out.
 
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