pepakura ethics (or is it ok to make moulds/bucks from pep files?)

Stop posting in this thread and guess what it will go away it's just a few trouble seeking people looking for a flame war this isn't a even a debate it's just trolling so get over it and go about your business agree to disagree and move on there's nothing about TOS violation any ways so let it go.
 
Stop posting in this thread and guess what it will go away it's just a few trouble seeking people looking for a flame war this isn't a even a debate it's just trolling so get over it and go about your business agree to disagree and move on there's nothing about TOS violation any ways so let it go.


Trolling? I dont se any trolling in getting a constructive debate.
To use common sence sound fantastic. But those who look at this an an opertunity will not use common sence, they will use their sence in seeing an opening, opertunity to cut corners to profit from someone elses work. I dont understand why some are against getting firm guidelines for OUR COMUNITY that protects the INTREST of the BUILDER/ MAKER...

To many people ask about this topic or similar over and over again. It will continue, untill the guidelines are firm to the new mediums of production. Another one just posted not long ago in the main formum. Its reason people ask these questions.

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=86306
 
well tmp .allow me to retort.........sculpting with bondo and pep files is not sculpting??


here is a my point.

here is the start of my odst helmet.....crappy put together pep file.
001-69.jpg


here is the finished product... bondo and palstic.
005-58.jpg


how is that not sculpting...?
 
beating a dead horses is a past time of mine.....

and if you do not like the thread ,quit posting in it......

just a thought brought to you by common sense.
 
beating a dead horses is a past time of mine.....

and if you do not like the thread ,quit posting in it......

just a thought brought to you by common sense.

My reply was not in any way for you. In fact I totaly agree with your view point. :cool Oh and nice SCULPT.:thumbsup
 
well tmp .allow me to retort.........sculpting with bondo and pep files is not sculpting??


here is a my point.

here is the start of my odst helmet.....crappy put together pep file.
001-69.jpg


here is the finished product... bondo and palstic.
005-58.jpg


how is that not sculpting...?

PERFECT EXAMPLE!!!

What are you showing. You are showing a PEPAKURA FIRST. Pepakura is the themeplate you are SCULPTING on top.

Some SCULPT like you on top of PEPAKURA Themeplate. Some Bondo and smothen it.

This is why i want the termenology and reffrence of work to be more clear. Dont confuse the variouse stages of production. Not looking negative down on pepakura or the process of it. I am tried of everyone making it sound that i am so against pepakura. I AM NOT.
 
TMP, did you even read his reply. It is BONDO and Plastic not clay.
But is indeed a SCULPT and a nice one at that.
 
tmp .

i really try to tell folks who use pep files, that it is not a finished prop. the pep file is nothing but a base to sculpt props from. a tool ,not a finished product.
 
TMP, did you even read his reply. It is BONDO and Plastic not clay.
But is indeed a SCULPT and a nice one at that.


i think he was trying to say ,that is the way pep files should be used , as a base not a finished prop.
 
well tmp .allow me to retort.........sculpting with bondo and pep files is not sculpting??


here is a my point.

here is the start of my odst helmet.....crappy put together pep file.
001-69.jpg


here is the finished product... bondo and palstic.
005-58.jpg


how is that not sculpting...?

tmp .

i really try to tell folks who use pep files, that it is not a finished prop. the pep file is nothing but a base to sculpt props from. a tool ,not a finished product.

I totaly agree on that, i dont argue that or the process of it. Not even looking on it negative. All i want is to get

  1. Clearer guidelines of all the new mediums of production.
  2. Better and clearer terms, decription names of process and methods.
 
Giving it a go..

* If someone recast the armor from an Pepakura maker who is the recaster recasting? The 3D modeler or the builder of the themplate?

This is for a large deal just ethics and will vary per project.
Did someone print and build a pepakura file with just a bit of smoothing/sanding. Or did they poor their heart and soul into it, and create a piece of art with the pepakura as just the framework.

* The builder of the Pepapakura files can he cast moulds for to sell the armor as his own. How is this consider in according to the existing RPF rules... Its from an existing themeplate, but still its the builder who assembled him.. but still from a themplate made by the 3D Artist?


I guess the same answer as the first one.
And again, never really clear cut, and more about ethics.


* In Regards of the 3D modelar can they, base their design of any other creations. How is this according to the existing rules? What if a 3D modelar copy an Fanmade replica made by an RPF member then what? Then what if it is from an licenced peice.

Thats measuring with two standards.
If you use licenced work (photos, artwork, replicas) you call it 'using reference' yet if a 3D modeler does the same, its called 'copying'?

* Why do we differenciate from Screen used replica recast, vs recast of fan made replica or licensed replicas? If someone recast a OXMOX Ironman.. Is that ok? If that is ok, how does it differenciate from Fanmade replica that is beeing recast. And what about pepakura? Vise versa...​

I think the only difference there, is that the risk at the lawsuit you will find yourself involved with, is a lot higher with the copy of the actual replica.
Thus people tend to only do the 'grey area' thing, and sell copies of fan made props/costumes.

* How do we define the difference in modifying / resculping existing licenced props or fan made props vs 3D pepakura files themeplate?

By using your eyes?
You, I and everyone else shouldnt have ANY issues spotting if something is merely a sanded pep model recast, or the mona lisa sculpted in bondo and fiberglas on top of a pepakura model.

* How is the 3D file maker protected against thieft and reproduction of files.

By not putting them online in the first place.
And ethics of the people involved in cosplay/fanbased prop builders/modelers.
But its a bit of a moot point.

Again, copyright isnt the issue debated here. Thats a grey area we should keep away from this subject.
Merely crediting who did what, and (if a ton of money is made, which rarely happens) maybe try and shoot the pep modeler a pat on the back in any shape or form, thats all everyone seems to be talking about.

But again. Its all ethics/personality. Based on the work you did, and if that means the pep model is only a tiny or big part of the final work created.

* How do we protect the intrest of those who dedicate allot of work, time and money into making props especially in regards of Pepakura?

  • By saying thank you
  • By telling people how their work was a part in your creation.
  • By not being an ass, and realising their work is just as artistic as the real life copying/creative reproduction that happens in (non pep) projects such as your own

And yes..that last point was tongue in cheek..:lol

* Can we also get definission of difference in SCULPTING and Pepepakura.. I still se people say they sculpted it by hand but they bondo it by hand not sculpted.. I wish to have clear definisssion of the different terminology.​

Both are sculpting.
Pepakura is just a crude form, which you can use as a basis for finer and more detailed sculpting in another medium.
 
You know Mr. Bungle, I'm still undecided as to whether or not I believe that you actually produced that ODST helm from pep. :lol: :) I keed I keed.
 
finhead hello, my name is Claudio, excuse the inconvenience but I need your help, I could send all your files to create the armor iron man mark 3 like you did please? I would be grateful, then do not bother you more, ok? claudiohair1983@gmail.com some files I downloaded from the links do not work ....
What?? Why is everyone 3d PEPing your stuff? As far as I know the 3D files where "BASED" off the movie suit not your stuff.
So someone that sculpts the same piece as you or even refrences you stuff for a sculpt would be doing the same as a 3d modeler would. It's not a scan it in and produce a pep file, you still don't get it. :confused
You simply can't protect your armor or anyones (MARVELS) armor from being used for ref once the pics are out on the net its the way it is. I have had my Armor used for ref by many people as well, I don't care and couldn't do anything about it if I wanted to.
You need to relax a bit or your going to give yourself a heartattack worring about something you can't control.
 
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