OT: Studioscalemodeler.com now up

[Kuhn Global]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Feb 5 2007, 01:35 PM) [snapback]1412616[/snapback]</div>

I have tried.

We jumped ahead of ourselves and it was a mistake on my part and I regret it.

I regret not knowing as much as some of you here and I am still new to studio scale modeling.

The intentions of the site was to offer a place to supply parts for people to build their own studio scale models and what did we get for it? we got bashed by the kit makers here on this forum because we offered parts to modelers instead of modelers buying their kits and these kit makers here complained about it and still complain and causing most of the mischief here right now, the very same people and you know who you are.

As for REL's attitude I know where this is coming from its coming from when he posted his Enterprise E on a Studio scale forum and it got moved, since it got moved he never came back, at least I dont charge 850.00 for something that only cost 30.00 to make, now who is ripping off whom? how come you same people arent ripping into him for overpricing? just because its Trek makes it right???? I would bet you a 100.00 that if a hurricane hit REL's area he would be one of those people selling a gallon of water to homeless hurricane victims for 100.00 each.

I take the critisism and now I appoligize right here and now.
That being said the site is now just a place to sell your own models/kits, we dont make them and we will not be having a store or forum, way too much headache and its a game I dont want to be a player in.
The site gets over 500 hits a day so it is still a good way to unload a kit or a built model if you needed to, this I will continue to offer a service instead of product.
Thank you for you time, sorry to all those who have to read this but I am truly sorry.
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Well,... the bad behavior continues.... and must end.

Instead of responding to your incorrect attacking of honorable individuals, I hope you will read this with an open mind,.. as it is meant to help you move forward.

Studioscale,... your idea for a Studio Scale Board was a good one. I respect that idea.

The problem that you face is the fact that what has been offered, with your name tagged to it, has been fraudulent. Plain and simple,... this is the bottom line.

To regain grace in the eyes of your peers, and any customer base, please listen to my words and stop being defensive on something that is pure fact. This can be made right in time, but it will require this childish and fraudulent behavior to stop, and for your original idea of Studio Scale collectivity to begin. YouÂ’ve only just begun your quest and you already have so much negative baggage that it is difficult to see what and who you really may be other than what is negative.

The people who have brought this forward are doing what they know is the right thing. Knowing the truth of the matter, and your responsive actions, places me in agreement with them. You know what is true,.. and what is right,.. and what is wrong.

You had taken orders for something that was presented to your customers as being a newly made Studio Scale item. Weather or not you knew of this is not of importance. You offered it and it is your responsibility.

In taking a defensive posture,.. you are now attacking people that have only pointed out the facts and whom are angered by them. As a business person, does this seem like good business to you?

This has been a cut throat business for quite some time. If we can all back up and start working with each other, rather than trying to make the “big score”, all will begin to heal and the Studio Scale modeling world will thrive.

BTW… there is no “Big Score” out there for Garage Kit makers. That is the plain truth. Combining efforts properly? That may be an entirely different story.

Everything can be fixed in time.

Studioscale,.. step back,Â… take a look at what has occurred,.. especially by you and your people,Â… then move ahead in the right direction. You have nothing to lose by that and everything to gain. Staying defensive will only keep you down.

If this falls on deaf ears, than I think there will be much more baggage to add. I realize you did not ask for advice, but I offer it anyway in hopes of a better situation.

That said,.. I wish you the best of luck on taking your efforts toward a better area of being.

 

[3D-builder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(REL @ Feb 5 2007, 09:42 PM) [snapback]1412620[/snapback]</div>

I thought you weren't coming back or reading the board?

Actually the reason I never went back to your board was because of the stunt you pulled with the TIE shrouds with imaginager. As for my kit costing $30 to make, you honestly don't know anything about producing a kit and the cost's involved do you? That statement right there proves that, the photo etching alone nearly cost that much in each kit. I could break down the actual cost's of that kit and tell you that the price they go for barely breaks even, but if you knew anything about kit production you would know that.

You're thinking recast cost's not actual production costs.
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Listen to Rel :thumbsup I do not build up masters for kitting but I do scratch-build http://public.fotki.com/HVHMG/members_gall...m_t-47_armored/ if this looks hard multiply it by 100x because building up masters to work as a kit form is a different animal. When you scratch-build you can cover your work in a way make it work.You can't do this for kits you have to think about the person building it also. This effects the way you brake down the build in your head not to mention you are constantly working between different building mediums.I have said it before.... most of the guys here building are making a little money but most of it goes back into the craft for materials, tools, supplies.In other words they are working with a lot of passion.. In order to be able to sell a subject or kit these builders are eating a lot of working hrs.... If they were to charge for all of their HRS these kits would be almost un-touchable for the average SCI/FI modeler. See your problem Dan is.... you leave out the PASSION part of the craft you want the quick money. If you are building masters up for kits or scratch-building there is noting quick about it, it grueling and hard, but we keep doing it because it's rewarding.Builders have to refrence subjects, refrence parts, come up with a plan, build the masters,make the molds ,pour the resin, make mistakes and some times start over.... You have not said if the Tie is a re-cast if you did pardon me, but I have not seen any working progression of it's build up.Such as plans, building the master, making molds, pouring resin.Ligitament builders will be proud to show these steps they show his or hers experiance in the craft.
Regards,
Michael

 

[Less than Super Ostrich]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Feb 5 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]1412616[/snapback]</div>

at least I dont charge 850.00 for something that only cost 30.00 to make, now who is ripping off whom? how come you same people arent ripping into him for overpricing? just because its Trek makes it right???? I would bet you a 100.00 that if a hurricane hit REL's area he would be one of those people selling a gallon of water to homeless hurricane victims for 100.00 each.[/b]

See... that's what I'm talking about. Just show some humility and apologize. No need to throw more insults at REL. And for what it's worth... I'm not a caster, but I know something like that is worth much more than $30 to produce. It's worth what people will pay for it... plain and simple.

 

[3D-builder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Less than Super Ostrich @ Feb 5 2007, 10:58 PM) [snapback]1412671[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Feb 5 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]1412616[/snapback]

at least I dont charge 850.00 for something that only cost 30.00 to make, now who is ripping off whom? how come you same people arent ripping into him for overpricing? just because its Trek makes it right???? I would bet you a 100.00 that if a hurricane hit REL's area he would be one of those people selling a gallon of water to homeless hurricane victims for 100.00 each.[/b]

See... that's what I'm talking about. Just show some humility and apologize. No need to throw more insults at REL. And for what it's worth... I'm not a caster, but I know something like that is worth much more than $30 to produce. It's worth what people will pay for it... plain and simple.
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Exactly the T-47 in my post above I swear to you the 4x8 sheet of styrene cost me $30 alone, model kit parts$100, lighting $50 rubber and resin $70 basic supplies:glue exacto knife blades accelerator strip styrene ....say another $100 total: Around $350 but the hrs involved are insane and priceless.....
Regards,
Michael

 

[studioscale]

I re edited my post regarding RELs enterprise e, sorry, it has been removed.

I am going to take a break from all this and rethink the future of the site.

 

[Hand Solo]

I am going to take a break from all this and rethink the future of the site.[/b]

 

[3D-builder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Feb 5 2007, 11:30 PM) [snapback]1412689[/snapback]</div>

I re edited my post regarding RELs enterprise e, sorry, it has been removed.

I am going to take a break from all this and rethink the future of the site.
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I think that is a good idea, it's one thing to not know what it's about or what it is for, and another when you start dealing with money.If you can't build up your own masters or you don't have the patience as you once told me, you just have to pay someone.You said you don't have a lot of knowledge about studio scale did you mean building or just the definition?The definition you can learn, what goes into building them however can take a life time.Building is a changing evolving task or addiction.

 

[Apophis]

Dan, i have known you a total of two months now, and all i have to show from our partnership is ZERO, i have listened to your promises of grandure, and all i got was grief, i worked hard in building up my reputation and freindships with all of these people, and just to have them totally ruined for God knows how long if ever, i am willing enough to publicly appologize on several forums at least you could too.
I am tired of listening to you bicker and egg these peoiple on and on, it was fun until we got caught taking money for a product we could not deliver in the time promised, so i trashed it all, im done with the scratchbuilding and left it to 3d builder who deserves more recognition than he gets and i appologize fro causeing everyone grief and to my friends for letting them down and i deserve all of the crap that hand solo wants to give.
Dan, what i want from you is ALL of my model kits back and my SS models back my TB back and all of its parts and my snowspeeder etc..
I just had enough, im glad to be done with ya and shouldve done my homework on you.

 

[Commander Max]

Apophis it's to bad your are expecting so much in a short time.
Which is why I assume you did the DVTF in the first place.
This hobby takes a lot more than 2 months.
Most of the models presented took years.

Please reread Kurt's post, he knows what he is talking about.

If it's money you want, go somewhere else.
This is not the place for you.

 

[Apophis]

all i wanted was to build models and do reviews and do research, it was not my intentions to get any money, he made an offer and i took the bait.
yes you are right i did expect too much in too little time.

 

[studioscale]

like i said i am not doing this anymore, stuff goes back to you this week.

 

[3D-builder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Apophis @ Feb 6 2007, 12:21 AM) [snapback]1412720[/snapback]</div>

Dan, i have known you a total of two months now, and all i have to show from our partnership is ZERO, i have listened to your promises of grandure, and all i got was grief, i worked hard in building up my reputation and freindships with all of these people, and just to have them totally ruined for God knows how long if ever, i am willing enough to publicly appologize on several forums at least you could too.
I am tired of listening to you bicker and egg these peoiple on and on, it was fun until we got caught taking money for a product we could not deliver in the time promised, so i trashed it all, im done with the scratchbuilding and left it to 3d builder who deserves more recognition than he gets and i appologize fro causeing everyone grief and to my friends for letting them down and i deserve all of the crap that hand solo wants to give.
Dan, what i want from you is ALL of my model kits back and my SS models back my TB back and all of its parts and my snowspeeder etc..
I just had enough, im glad to be done with ya and shouldve done my homework on you.
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Well I don't think you should give up scratch-building first of all, as it is something you can get better at for sure. I never scratch-buillt anything for Dan and I don't build for recognition, but it is nice to be able to have a place to share your work isn't it Apophis? I think thats why you have come true here, which is more than I can say for Dan. I received your PM but I was waiting for something like this before I responded, I was waiting for some character to show up.When Dan refused to own up to his end of the bargin with the manual, I sent you the PM letting you know about it becasue you were second in charge over there.

There was another reason I sent it to you and this was before this whole debocalment with the recast code 3 you two put togehter. I had some fishy feeling about him and you because you were working with him.But I never thought you to would steep this low. The other reason I sent you the PM was to see if there was a shread of decency in you.By explaining why I was backing down on the maual, I wanted you to see your partner was not a stand up guy. I never heard from you, if you say you never got it I have to accept this, but how long were you or him planning the whole re-casting?You must have known this is not right even outside of this community right?

Iam going to be honest with you Apophis as Ralphee knows Iam not affraid of the truth, Dan told me he uses you as a mole to find out information. Why? Is this something you are conscience about or are you this leadable? Your a grown man only in the end here I HOPE you have seen the light.Your partner has little if any skill and his greed is ten fold.If he had any skill he would build up his own masters and have proof of his work like all the good builders here can provide.It seems like you are having problems with him also as you have stated, I wish you luck in recovering what is yours.

I remember seeing your scratch-build of the Hoth Rebel gun turret pretty recently I said to myself, well the symmetry is off a bit but this guy really tried hard.. I thought it was odd that you would be able to bring to final tool to a subject like Vaders Tie Fighter.Lets face it we are all at different levels here but we all can learn and get better. When Dan asked me about kitting my speeder I said no for many reasons, one was because it is not totaly accurate.Not in so much as in detail(although this is not perfect also) but in some areas that could be closer to the original like the power generator and rear weapons port.But Dan didn't see it this way he wouldn't have cared, if I would have said yes, he would have tore it up and came up with nothing.My name would have been on that even if it did end up a kit. I would have to nail the speeder down and even now I would start another one just to change the areas Iam not happy with.As builders we are never really satisfied, when you begin to think you are bigger than you are, you begin to stop learning.

I think you will have to pay your dues Jerry but at least you have come forward, my mother always says"Nothing good last forever nothing BAD lasts forever". I say this because it can't get any worse for you right now, even though it was rough and humiliating if you can't learn from this you can't learn anything.

Regards,
Michael

 

[Apophis]

That turret was my first scratchbuild that wasnt based on anything and was easy because there were a bunch of different ones in the sketchbook.
I did not know he was, he never asked me questions about anything, just to ID parts that we needed for the projects he was working on.
The only thing i had was something in the shape of a wing and i was ashamed and embarressed to even show it so i trashed it.
well good luck with your speeder.
Im sorry ithat i never got your PM, or this wouldve been settled earlier.

 

[3D-builder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Apophis @ Feb 6 2007, 02:20 AM) [snapback]1412802[/snapback]</div>

That turret was my first scratchbuild that wasnt based on anything and was easy because there were a bunch of different ones in the sketchbook.
I did not know he was, he never asked me questions about anything, just to ID parts that we needed for the projects he was working on.
The only thing i had was something in the shape of a wing and i was ashamed and embarressed to even show it so i trashed it.
well good luck with your speeder.
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Just get back to doing what you like building models.
Regards,
Michael

 

[Apophis]

i will be but at a lower profile for a while.

 

[REL]

I hope everything works out for you and that you get your kits back. I don't want to go into everything again but it was cool that you came forward and said what you said. Good luck.

 

[studioscale]

3d builder your so full of CRAP i never told you i used apophis as a mole you liar.

 

[Treadwell]

Okay this is about to get even uglier so I'm closing this now. I think the point has been made and hopefully lessons learned.

This is one of those situations where the membership handled a crisis extremely well on its own without the need of any of us pesky mods getting in the way.

The issues raised and criticisms offered about studioscale have been dead on, and I applaud the community for their diligence. studioscale has been quite appropriately shamed and his business efforts rightly suppressed.

However, there will be no ban. Why?

1. The accusation of recasting has been unproven--the use of the primered Code 3 was appalling but we don't know that it was actually going to be recast. If Apophis is telling the truth in that it was just for a solicitation photo, we'd have to ban MR for doing the same thing in a few of their past preorders, such as the E-11.

2. And besides, the RPF recasting rule is about one member of the community recasting another. This narrow definition is not in any way to be confused with an official sanctioning of recasting outside the community, but we have jurisdiction of our own backyard and are not the prop police of the universe. Outside of that realm, we let the community decide what they wish to tolerate.

3. To that end, studioscale made no sales or presales here. It all happened outside the RPF on his site.

4. After the trouncing, a banning would pretty much be redundant.