Original V2 switch

There is an oblong box to toggle switches, so to fit that way round the long axis would have sit across the internal radius. This would be unstable at best , the threaded switch neck wouldn't clear the outside at worst (I'll check that).
 
There is an oblong box to toggle switches, so to fit that way round the long axis would have sit across the internal radius. This would be unstable at best , the threaded switch neck wouldn't clear the outside at worst (I'll check that).

I forgot, I only have mine threaded a couple threads clearance wise
 
That picture clears this up as far as I'm concerned. It's a toggle of some sort.

It has also dawned on me that the light up clip hilt, with jack plug connector, can't be the V2. A 1/4" jack socket would leave a big hole once removed, & we don't have that on the V2. The only way that could be so is if the above hilt has no switch & the socket occupies the same place but then the other picture shows toggle switch & different wiring. So these have to be 2 different hilts. (I won't buy they changed things in the middle of shooting - we also have info there are other hilts, Jon B for instance.)
 
the light up clip hilt, with jack plug connector, can't be the V2. A 1/4" jack socket would leave a big hole once removed, & we don't have that on the V2.

wait, where is this hilt with a jack plug connector? I'm so confused LOL! I mean, I know there was talk of using a 1/4" jack, but did that get confirmed as ever being used on any of the hilts seen on screen? The only connectors I've ever seen were the two red and white connectors, hence the double wire, wrapped in black electrical tape closer to the hilt. The connector is in his sleeve. You can see the guy go up and plug it in real quick in that video.
 
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Look at my composite picture pg4 post#72 top 2 'frames'. There is long white thick connector, looking like 1/4" jack, going into shorter black socket. The single white wire is under tension & would pull this across if it were flexible. See also post #77 for the video clip to confirm my description. This is clearly different to that in the red switch photo.

Jon Bunkers sketch of 'general arrangement for all sabers' also shows jack plug connection though in different position. The lower 3 'frames' in post #72 show different to the light up set up - possibly the same as red switch photo but is clearly a single flex not double.

This is also clearly a jack plug - though whether it belongs to the saber or is coming out of Vader's glove/sleeve is unclear.
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Look at my composite picture pg4 post#72 top 2 'frames'. There is long white thick connector, looking like 1/4" jack, going into shorter black socket. The single white wire is under tension & would pull this across it it were flexible. See also post #77 for the video clip to confirm my description. This is clearly different to that in the red switch photo.

Jon Bunkers sketch of 'general arrangement for all sabers' also shows jack plug connection though in different position. The lower 3 'frames' in post #72 show different to the light up set up - possibly the same as red switch photo.
yeah I see that picture, as have I seen clearer shots of that same clip. I don't see anything in that nor in the video that reads as a 1/4" jack. It still looks like the square connector to me. Although maybe a white one connecting to a black on instead of a red.
Not seeing how it's different to the red switch photo. Looks like a double strand white wire ( you have to have pos and neg) wrapped in black electrical tape for a few inches as it leaves the hilt (probably to hide the white wire).

EDIT: Wait, I see you edited it to include that pic of Vader. You read that as an audio jack? That's the luke motorized one from the hut scene with the wires cut, I always thought. Vader never had a spinning blade. so no need for a battery pack to be plugged in for him.
 
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I'd love to see a clearer pic of that light up scene. Red switch photo is unclear as to 2 strands or one. Graffy double connector is 4mm banana plugs (round). Kurtyboy has good still post #184 here Project updates 2 December 2018 - Jawa blaster progress and hero trooper. Long white to short red as I'm using in my experiments powerpack. The square ones are the same length & not available in '70's ?

ok yeah I'm not sold on the "round banana plugs" thing. These clips have been around since 1957. note the visible "zig zag" of the red connector and the red to white size comparison compared to the round ones Kurtyboy uses. And the white sections definitely reads as square to me.
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Thanks for the pictures & date info. What are those connectors called, I'd like to get some so I can run a comparison with the banana's as part of my ANH saber experiments & see if I can duplicate that shot.
The upper one does have very similar proportion in both your pic's. I see what you mean about the zigzag part in the lower one, but in Kurtyboy's pic the lower one still has a much longer white portion compared to the same orientation in your picture. I'll investigate this further but can't right now.

What's your take on the Vader jackplug above?
 
What are those connectors called, I'd like to get some so I can run a comparison with the banana's as part of my ANH saber experiments & see if I can duplicate that shot.
I've heard them called powerpole connectors. Here's the patent info on them. they have different sizes and lengths.

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In regards to the size differences, note that the picture I posted of the connectors, they are not fully seated. When they are, and you turn the connector where the white "zig zag" is facing up, it covers more of the red part, and the white section is significantly longer than the red half.

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What's your take on the Vader jackplug above?
I don't see that as a jackplug at all. Vader didn't ever have a motorized stunt as far as I've ever seen. His blade was always crisp and still. I had always heard this was intentional to contrast his superior skills to Obi-wan's "flickering" powers dying out with his old age. But maybe that's just a rumor. Regardless Prowse never had a motorized stunt that I've ever seen. But he is seen using many various handles, including this one which to me (and many others, I'd have to go back and find the threads from years ago) appears to be the same previously motorized graflex that luke has in Obi-wan's hut (the one where you can clearly see the red and white connectors), with some slight paint modification. If that's the case, then it has these red and white connectors (round or otherwise), not an audio jack. Since that motor was no longer functioning (again I'll have to go back and look that up, but I remember seeing or hearing that it quit working early on.) it looks to me like the "tail" you see is just the clipped white wires and the black electrical tape wrapping above it, not a 1/4" jack.
Note that where the wires come out of the hilt in both shots (luke and vader) is in the same place, just a bit higher than the edge of the grips.
 
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Vader didn't ever have a motorized stunt as far as I've ever seen.
I believe that Brandon has confirmed that the barbricon vader saber in the archives today was once Vader’s spinning blade stunt saber. During filming of anh it had a square emitter shroud and is featured in the Kenner figure card.
 
I believe that Brandon has confirmed that the barbricon vader saber in the archives today was once Vader’s spinning blade stunt saber. During filming of anh it had a square emitter shroud and is featured in the Kenner figure card.
fair enough. Maybe I should have been more specific, as I meant there are no finished shots that made it into the movie with Vader having a spinning blade. My main point being there are shots of Prowse using various stunt sabers, including this one which appears to be Luke's motorized graflex style stunt, but without any spinning blade (wires were snipped).
 
Thanks for the connector info. I'll get some to compare. I can't find differing lengths only differing amp rating (larger sizes) but there are 'spacers' of differing lengths. These don't have the overlaping / interrlocking part & I can't figure out how they're meant to be used.

Fair points on the (jack plug) wire placement. Fuzzy photo inconclusion yet again as it still looks jack pluggy to me.

How do you know the motor didn't work on the shared stunt? Seems odd to leave any wire protruding if so when they cut the wire.
 
How do you know the motor didn't work on the shared stunt? Seems odd to leave any wire protruding if so when they cut the wire.

I don't. I remember hearing it or reading that the motorized hilts were full of problems and the idea abandoned fairly early on. It was something about, the order of sequencing and they were done with Luke's lightsaber scenes and were having trouble with that hilt anyway. And by this time they were just grabbing whatever they had because Prowse kept breaking the rods, swinging so hard. Seems totally plausible that they grabbed it, snipped the wires off (maybe leaving a tail on purpose in case they needed to re-wire?). It's all conjecture I'm sure. I haven't had time to go back and find that post. It might have been in a similar BTS video to the one you posted. So take it for what it's worth. I'll see if I can find that clearer picture of Alec, showing the connectors.
 
Trent, that's what went through my head, as well. That they left a tail on it, in case they wanted to fiddle with it some more.

It could've been snipped even while they were filming that sequence, Ben vs Vader.

Mouse, the "Shared Stunt" is actually what we call the V3, not the "Graflex" stunt.
 
I'll see if I can find that clearer picture of Alec, showing the connectors.
That would be most appreciated.

the "Shared Stunt" is actually what we call the V3, not the "Graflex" stunt.
This gets so confusing sometimes.

I remember hearing it or reading that the motorized hilts were full of problems and the idea abandoned fairly early on. It was something about, the order of sequencing and they were done with Luke's lightsaber scenes and were having trouble with that hilt anyway.
From what I'm doing in my experiments I'm getting the impression that it's the blades themselves that are the biggest issue. Golf shafts or even thinned snooker cues would have given true spinning straight blades but Jon Bunker has said they had trouble with vibration / wobble which is what I'm getting with off the shelf hardwood dowel. This puts a lot more strain on the motor/gearbox. If it also takes a while (20-30min) to work up a straight one & they're breaking lots that's a manufacturing problem too. Jon has also said they used untapered which would make sense for choreography / practice saving the straighter tapered ones for shoots.
 
In these 3 lower pictures the cables look really... high. Like higher than the "switch" hole or the pommel "wire" hole. The upper photos look to be in the right place (mystery chunk hole on V2, covered hole on the the V3)
Dann.
These are the only views I have got of the 'V2' connector / wiring. They are all enlargements from 4K77 screen shots except the 'red switch' photo above which shows black insulation tape wrapped ? wire with inline connector in middle? I'm taking it the lower 3 in my pic. below are the same saber/wiring only where the black tape ends on single white flex. The graflex stunt has white banana plugs into red panel mount sockets which I've used in my ANH saber experiments thread. I'll do some test set ups there later for the white jack plug? set up of the top 2 arrangement in below pic. to see which most resembles the pictures.

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I can't find anything anywhere that looks like the square section ones Haliwax has used , so I'm intrigued about his source reference.

That silver part is the clamp area right?
 
I'm pretty sure your both right - silver part looks like the clamp area & he sure looks to be holding a 'loop' of wire pressed against the body of the hilt.
This looks to me like a single peice & not, say, twin audio cable. It also indicates that the black portion expends quite a way as perhaps it does on the redswitch photo (but not the light up one).
 
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