Original V2 switch

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  1. thd9791

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  2. russellsch

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    Good idea for a new thread :thumbsup I was worried the switch discussions would derail the v2 stuff.
    I think that's the exact photo I've been digging through my archives looking for.
    It does, kinda, look like a push button switch.
     
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  4. thd9791

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    I’m in the toggle camp now too after seeing a close up . Thing is, those red rubber sleeves have a bump at the top. The thing we’re seeing on set looks to be completely round on the to, so most likely colored plastic like a guitar toggle switch, I linked to one above

    and I know, phrasing?
     
  5. MakBzh

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    Great idea, looking this thread with interest :D
     
  6. halliwax

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    Yes! Finally the red switch thread!!

    I have been looking for a while, this is such a hard find online because you can’t see the physical size...

    And the hole has to be small enough so the cone knob covers it

    I seem to have found switches to large, and switches to small...

    “That just right switch” is a hard porridge to find..
     
  7. andyroo

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    More I look at this, the more it looks like a toggle switch.
     
  8. russellsch

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    Reading over my last post, I must correct my thought. It kinda looks like a push button switch.... but I do believe it's a toggle switch. Long day at work with no sleep, makes posting....something something.
    IMG_1058.JPG

    So you guys are thinking it's a Les Paul's 3 way switch? Why wouldn't they use just a simple on/off?
    I was looking at something like this.
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  9. andyroo

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    Nice work!


    Yeah, it's unlikely anyone would dismantle a guitar just for a switch.
     
  10. OdiWan72

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    that´s exactly the switch I used on my build(s) :thumbsup
     
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  11. thd9791

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    is anyone else seeing this shape, but in another color?
    Screen Shot 2018-03-28 at 11.09.04 AM.png
     
  12. Morannon

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    Definitely seeing this as well. Im seeing more of a red-orange like this
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  13. newmagrathea

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    I think the switch looks right but something makes me think it's not. The hang up for me is that how would you get the switch in the saber? There isn't room to mount it, or move it. Maybe toggle switch or a momentary switch, but even then not room to mount it.
     
  14. halliwax

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    More then enough room in starkiller’s v2
     
  15. newmagrathea

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    I don't know, something doesn't sit right with me on it. Another thought I had is why would they use a toggle switch? You know what it reminds me of is a pot. Later when it becomes Lukes stunt, it even looks like they put a guitar tone knob on it. It also makes sense that they would use a pot, that way they could adjust the speed of the motor. I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

     
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  16. halliwax

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    I hear ya buddy, Luke’s stunt had a big white button on it. These were built at the same time, and there was never any consistency with any of them. No potentiometer’s on luke, just a cheap lamp push button.

    It would make total sense to have a potentiometer on these things to fine tune the speeds, but I think these were built like everything else, rush job

    And with this rush job they failed

    A guitar switch is much larger then some toggle switches, I wouldn’t be surprised if this switch is another common house hold switch like the white button is on the luke stunt

    I’m really not looking for original, I’m looking for something as close as I can get

    stumbled upon those red silicone tips for toggle switches, just need to find a switch the right size
     
  17. andyroo

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    Plus I'm sure I read somewhere that Alec Guiness slowed down the speed of the saber with his finger - that's why he gripped it around the neck.


    So yeah, I reckon no potentiometer was used.
     
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  18. clancampbell

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    It looks more like a push in and "click" to turn on, push in "click" to turn off....type button to me.....y'know...like the end of a pen?

    Rich
     
  19. russellsch

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    That's the beauty of building our own props. If we put on, what we find out later to be, a wrong part... well, we can simply swap out the incorrect part for the correct one :D. & since we put it together, we'll know how to take it apart, fix it, & put it back together. & in doing so, we increase its accuracy & value. It's a win win!
    If you "crack open" a licensed Master Replica piece, for example, say by by to the value.
     
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  20. JoeG

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    I don't think they used a guitar switch either, but as far as them dismantling one to use a switch? They dismantled an entire jet engine to use for set dressing and props. A guitar would be nothing. Not to mention where ever this switch did come from, its most likely something they just had lying around.
     
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  21. newmagrathea

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    I think the thing that has been bothering me is that the switch in either position would be at a slight angle, but I'm not seeing that. It looks perpendicular.

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  22. thd9791

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    you have a good point - it IS perpendicular, ad I can almost see the nut outside the body at it's base.

    A three way switch would be straight but that sounds utterly too big

    maybe it is a pot, with a cone shaped plastic handle?

    - - - Updated - - -

    I will say, alec guinness had to hold the emitter and use his fingers to slow down the rotation so the blades wouldn't splinter! if they had a dial, you'd think theyd just turn it down
     
  23. mrwax

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    It depends on the orientation of the switch, if it's mounted so it toggles side to side rather than up the length of the body, we probably wouldn't be able to notice the angle in the picture we've got. Unless there's more reference somewhere, I have a few other pics of this saber, but none that show the switch.
     
  24. newmagrathea

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    Good points guys.

    Here is all of my reference photos besides the ones already posted. None are going to help with this issue. I was collecting them so I could figure out the paint color scheme. Does anyone else have any good ones?

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    I was gathering pics for the same reason, most popped up in one of the big V2 threads. Here are a few more in addition to yours:
    guiness_dramatic.jpg guiness_duel.jpg guiness_lucas_chat.jpg
     
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  26. russellsch

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    New question.....
    Is the emitter & the windvain painted the same color? In some photos it looks black, but in others it looks lighter.
     
  27. mrwax

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    I can dig for where the discussion was later, but the more recent paint theories for this saber were (if my memory serves) basically a dark grey for the emitter and a brass-like color for the wind vane. That would jive with trying to emulate the colors on the hero, which they definitely tried to do with painting the booster and grenade sections black. I think I remember that there was some confusion about the color of the face of the emitter, but the sides look like a dark grey, possibly black with lights on it sort of color.
     
  28. newmagrathea

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    Probably painted with Floquil paints. I have a few of the new Archive X paints for painting the Falcon, most of the colors are the same for other models, and possible the same for painting and weathering hand props.
     
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    It's looking like dark gunmetal grey emitter and brown/brass neck? I've got a base black on mine and would love to correctly paint the thing..
     
  30. russellsch

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    I'm more convinced now that it's a toggle switch. From a distance (the photo with most of Alec in it) it looks like it could be one of these types of switches ...
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    But, up close... the shape is wrong.

    JoeG you got me thinking. Yes, they dismantled entire jet aircraft (including the engines), BUT they bought them as scrap metal for pennies on the dollar... or (whatever the Engilsh use for pennies) on the £.
    So they coulda used something like this...

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    These are old HAM radio switches out of old aircraft radios.
    Or they coulda just gone down to their local Radio Shack & got a new - working - switch for cheap... cheaper than a Les Paul anyway (even from a Pawn Shop).
     
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  31. halliwax

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    Genius idea!!

    I only figured guitar switch because my friend has a bunch of guitars, they all have these silicone caps on them, and we have heard and seen record player parts used on other Props

    Radio switch is a great idea! Could even be a simple switch from a air plane dash, that would also explain the silicone cap on it. Red being some kind of color code
     
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    Switches like the Les Paul have have a threaded base and a hard plastic colored tip that threads onto it. So the construction would fit pretty well with some of what's been discussed, I think it's actually a pretty good fit overall aside from the fact that it's three position instead of two. But that wouldn't disqualify it either.
     
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    That’s really good info, even though it’s a 3 way switch, they still could have used it to work with the motor. They would just have a dead position

    How big is the threaded section on a Les paul switch? My friend is moving and I’ll be with him Saturday, see if I can get him to unbox on and take some measurements

    He’s got a few les Paul’s
     
  34. MCM

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    A regular guitar 3 way is too big. Here's the switch on my Casino, the exact same type used on all Gibson-type guitars (Les Pauls, SGs, 335s, etc.). The mounting post is nearly 1/2" wide, plus then the retaining nut. If the saber used a toggle, I'm thinking disassembled surplus military equipment. [​IMG]

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  35. halliwax

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    Yeah defiantly too big :(
     
  36. xwingercrash

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    Back on the subject of paint...the v3 shared stunt was painted gray/bronze/black as previously discussed but thought that the v2 shared stunt was painted all black except the emitter and pommel (which were left bare)?
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  37. halliwax

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    The v3 paint job you are referring to, do you mean that is paint job that’s on it today?

    Because while Luke is dueling Vader (in rotj) you can see it’s in petty bad shape, and the booster still has black paint on it

    Sometime most likely when it was chosen to go into space, lucasfilm redressed it, covered it in tape, and repainted it, so it looked better in the public’s eye with all its attention traveling on the space shuttle

    To me, they did a horrible job repainting it to look like the v1 hero... I would have left it in its beat’n state...
     
  38. russellsch

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    I got my toggle switch yesterday.

    This one.
    IMG_1059.JPG

    It was ordered more as a test. But, I can ALMOST screw it into the existing hole on my v2! I wasn't able to try for very long, as I had to get on the road for today. So when I get home, I'll give it more of a try, to see if it actually threads in.
     
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  39. halliwax

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    Wicked!!
     
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  40. xwingercrash

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    Lol yes Space Shuttle repaint was horrible...they should have called spirit of obi1... his v3 repro is amazing.

    Anyway what I was more getting at was the Obi v2 stunt paint in ANH. From the pic I posted above it appears to be all black and NOT with gray emitter and bronze neck. A lot of info I’ve seen tracks to this all black paint for v2 but was wondering if it was ever confirmed?


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  41. D48thRonin

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    No, it was originally "spruced up" for the exhibition that toured Japan starting in 1993 - From Star Wars to Indiana Jones: The Best of the Lucasfilm Archives was the companion book to that exhibition and is the origin of this photo:

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    This was the first good look that we all got at the V3 (as well as the "Hero" and the Vader stunt).

    It didn't fly on the shuttle until STS-120 in October of 2007.
     
  42. thd9791

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    lets see is that saber with the switch, the same as this? in different lighting? or a different stunt?
    the emitter appears to be black and the windvane appears to be brown
    pic2.jpg

    theres also this photo.
    obiV2.jpg

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    I'm not sure if this is okay - but as for paint colors, we could always try radioing BAlinger15 to see whats either still on the V2 today or for any other help?
     
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    2007!!! Wow!! I thought it was MUCH longer ago then that!! Dang! That really caught me by surprise

    I know as of 3 years ago it’s in a hallway at the ranch. My friends son works there, he gave her a tour when the family went to Cali to see him.
     
  44. xwingercrash

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    The saber with the switch is the ANH Obi stunt with long lever, missing sidebar and clamp card which became the v2. The top pic you posted above without the long lever and no clamp card I believe is the Obi stunt which became the v3. The paint on this stunt and the second pic appear the same, so *looks* to be the same hilt.


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  45. halliwax

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    Your believe this picture here is the v3?
    [​IMG]

    I thought we were all under the impression the v3 was a back up and never used?
     
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    Seth’s saber bible points to the second ANH Obi shared stunt becoming the v3 and used in the ROTJ throne room.

    Not to get too side tracked on v3 lore, what I’m really after here is consensus on the paint job on the shared stunt that became the v2. The pics of the v2 ANH Obi stunt seem to indicate all black vs the gray/bronze/black treatment that the ANH Obi v3 stunt gets...looking for thoughts on this.

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    I think they're the same saber. But the graflex clamp has slid forward onto the grenade.

    Dan
     
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  48. mrwax

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    In the pop culture quest clip on the V2 and the picture released by Brandon, you can see that the V2 isn't just black. The wind vane definitely has some color to it. allinger_group_closeup.jpg allinger_v2.jpg
     
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  49. xwingercrash

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    Yes this is how it appeared in ROTJ...but what color was it painted when it was used as an Obi stunt in ANH? In the ANH bts photo (with red button and long lever) it appears to be painted all black vs gray/bronze/black.


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  50. mrwax

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    Good point, I'll have to see if I have any other reference pictures that are useful. I get confused between the two Obi ANH stunts, I might have filed my pictures wrong.
     
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