OK, so which one of you is Guy Raz?
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rocketeer25
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Don't be ridiculous. You know as well as anyone else that is not the case. Pete, in his own words over at the OT:
What do we learn from this and the other bits of info?
- GR knew his cover was about to blown
- GR contacted DK69 (Pete) to take over the project
- DK669 agreed to take over the project from GR
- No money was to go to GR
- Money that DK got from the project would be donated to charity
- DK informed Rick to stay "above board"
- DK moved the project from the RPF
- DK abandoned the project sometime later
- Clay picked up the project from GR
- Clay is making this run happen with some (?) input from GR
I only know Pete from a few years back, so I can't really speak to his intentions, but I think he was trying to make the best of a bad situation. Attempting to salvage a project that had been hoped for for years by members of the community, and yet remove GR from the picture entirely.
So, if we can believe DK (I do) and Clay (who knows?), GR is not getting any money from this, so technically they were not shilling for GR.
Should they be banned simply for associating with a banned member? Sharing information with him about projects, asking his opinion? If we start doing that, where does it end? Lots of people on the RPF, even in this thread, have friendships with people that have been banned from the RPF. Do they get the boot, too? I don't think that's fair...
Well, you say... GR is not just a banned member, but he is bad. REALLY BAD. I agree, and that's why I asked the mods to move this thread from the OT to the Prop Forum so that even our newest members could be warned about dealing with him.
Still, I think we need to be careful about going down the path of banning people due to their online associations alone. I think it's enough for the membership to know that GR is out there, and that he has some (perhaps small) part in this project. Let the members decide for themselves how to use the information.
Rick is not here to defend himself. He has real-life issues that he's dealing with right now, and hasn't been online much. But to think that he was trying to pull a fast one on the members here is ridiculous. He's spent the last half dozen years on the board, and everyone knows that he is a standup guy who would do anything within his power to help anyone on the board, and to keep the predators away from the RPF.
Don't be swayed by the sockpuppets and their friends who are just here to spread rumors and discontent. They have their little burrows to hide in and congratulate themselves on thier deceit...
Thanks. Well stated.
And unfortunately you are right.
The cyberstalkers will see this in their own light and further cast aspersions on the staff and members of this forum.
JediRick is great guy, a great mod, and a terrific member of this forum. He's done nothing wrong and doesn't deserve any of this.
And unfortunately you are right.
The cyberstalkers will see this in their own light and further cast aspersions on the staff and members of this forum.
JediRick is great guy, a great mod, and a terrific member of this forum. He's done nothing wrong and doesn't deserve any of this.
Lord Abaddon
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I competely agree with micdavis. JediRick is a stand up person, he's been there for a lot of us at various times, and he's put a lot of work and time into this place. For anyone, especially those with a known vendetta, to smear him just shows how pathetic and desperate they are.
For those new to the RPF and reading this drama, the majority of members are fun loving and good people. Sadly there are a few banned members who are psychologically questionable and completely and utterly obsessed with the RPF and many long time members. Think back to school and the bullies hiding in the corner of the playground and every so often they would come out of their corner and try to beat someone up. And if they got beat up, they obsessed about it from that point forward. Same mentality.
Enjoy the place, know the mods are really good and heartfelt people who do their utmost in their spare time to ensure everyone enjoy themselves, and remember that like any large party there are always a few losers.
For those new to the RPF and reading this drama, the majority of members are fun loving and good people. Sadly there are a few banned members who are psychologically questionable and completely and utterly obsessed with the RPF and many long time members. Think back to school and the bullies hiding in the corner of the playground and every so often they would come out of their corner and try to beat someone up. And if they got beat up, they obsessed about it from that point forward. Same mentality.
Enjoy the place, know the mods are really good and heartfelt people who do their utmost in their spare time to ensure everyone enjoy themselves, and remember that like any large party there are always a few losers.
PHArchivist
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Fear effin' hear!
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I'm utterly flabbergasted!
We're watching this thread and are hevily investigating all PMs from members who provide suggested possibilities of GR sockpuppets. Only a few days ago, it was decided to let this thread evolve with a minimum to no input from the staff, as we could hear drilling in the woodwork and KNEW that we'd see an appearance from a banned member or two. In the last 24 hours, a banned member rears his ugly head and spouts unsubstantiated claims to try and defame Rick........RICK for gods sake, one of the most upstanding and honest people I've ever had the pleasure of talking to.
I've only just woken up and am still sipping my first coffee, so I can't quite put my feelings about this into the words I really want, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say. Anyway, I think the long served and well respected members who've spoken up for Rick speaks volumes.
I mean RICK??? Unbelieveable........:wacko
Also, I know that some members here don't support bannings, but I think that the tripe posted by Perite is a good example as to why banning is sometimes essential to the harmony of the RPF and it's members.
Now if we could keep this thread on topic, trying to find this scumbags SP, that would be great:thumbsup
Cheers,
Kraig
We're watching this thread and are hevily investigating all PMs from members who provide suggested possibilities of GR sockpuppets. Only a few days ago, it was decided to let this thread evolve with a minimum to no input from the staff, as we could hear drilling in the woodwork and KNEW that we'd see an appearance from a banned member or two. In the last 24 hours, a banned member rears his ugly head and spouts unsubstantiated claims to try and defame Rick........RICK for gods sake, one of the most upstanding and honest people I've ever had the pleasure of talking to.
I've only just woken up and am still sipping my first coffee, so I can't quite put my feelings about this into the words I really want, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say. Anyway, I think the long served and well respected members who've spoken up for Rick speaks volumes.
I mean RICK??? Unbelieveable........:wacko
Also, I know that some members here don't support bannings, but I think that the tripe posted by Perite is a good example as to why banning is sometimes essential to the harmony of the RPF and it's members.
Now if we could keep this thread on topic, trying to find this scumbags SP, that would be great:thumbsup
Cheers,
Kraig
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Eaglewood
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- Clay picked up the project from GR
Just wanted to clarify this one--I got the project from Darknight--NOT GR
PHArchivist
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Pretty uncool for certain people to come on-line and do what (once putting two and two together) rings of "kicking a man when he's down"...
I know Rick has some VERY difficult real-life issues to face and manage, and for someone to come on-line and attempt to smear his reputation certainly cannot benefit Rick in his real world matters.
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PHArchivist
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Mike... Perfect. Just perfectly stated. Kudos...
Add to that the metality that is astoundingly similar to my second grade son who, when he gets bored, picks on his weaker and younger sister, and generally stirs up trouble simply for the pure amusement factor.
Kraig, I'm with you 100%, but unbelievable...? Not when you consider the likely source.
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Darkknight0667
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Because the blueprint drawings were done by someone and, therefore, they belong to that person. That person is not Clay, nor is it me, who were only given permission to use that person's property (ie. the CAD files) to do the run.
If you want to post the files, Mike, contact the person that created them (you remember how to do that from when you tried to swipe the project out from under me, don't you?) and ask him if you can obtain and post the files publicly. Or, you can track down someone that owns an original MG-81, ask to borrow it and have someone make you up a set of CAD files for you to post.
Be careful, however, that you don't use one from Clay's run to make yours (they were designed and manufactured to be nearly indistinguishable from the originals, even being crafted to fit and withstand actual use on the original gun), because that would essentially be recasting, a ban-able offense, and we'd all hate for that to happen to an upstanding guy like you.
PHArchivist
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So...
Bottom line - no matter how laundered or removed, or regardless of who the project has been handed off to, every item from the run is per Raz's CAD blueprints and links back to him.
I think MA indicated earlier that he killed the project. Wise move.
Bottom line - no matter how laundered or removed, or regardless of who the project has been handed off to, every item from the run is per Raz's CAD blueprints and links back to him.
I think MA indicated earlier that he killed the project. Wise move.
Lord Abaddon
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I admit to being conflicted about the whole origin issue.
If the money from the project is going to charity, especially say an abused children's organization, that is a very good use for something that came from someone evil. And the people handling it, if good people, are doing something worthwhile with a bad situation.
But then again it still originates from someone who preyed on children, who broke the trust of his people, who abused his religious position and his faith, and who from his very actions seems to have shown no remorse (especially if he has been on the Internet when ordered not to) so is it worth it?
I guess it's one of individual conscience and honestly I think I would rather just give the money to charity and skip the project.
If the money from the project is going to charity, especially say an abused children's organization, that is a very good use for something that came from someone evil. And the people handling it, if good people, are doing something worthwhile with a bad situation.
But then again it still originates from someone who preyed on children, who broke the trust of his people, who abused his religious position and his faith, and who from his very actions seems to have shown no remorse (especially if he has been on the Internet when ordered not to) so is it worth it?
I guess it's one of individual conscience and honestly I think I would rather just give the money to charity and skip the project.
Darkknight0667
Sr Member
Yup. And before him to an engineer working for a mass murdering megalomaniac bent on world domination, who designed it to more effectively kill enemy (read, Allied) airmen. It's a scary history on this piece.
Lord Abaddon
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Damn Hitler! He's always messing things up! 
Darkknight0667
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Damn Hitler! He's always messing things up!
Never mind.
Did not other people here participate in the "discovery"?
If so who was that.
I'll gladly re-engineer the whole thing from scratch if someone will point me to the MG-81 guys.
With my recent move I have a real size professional lathe and mill at my disposal.
I could even make them without taking 3 freakin' years. heck, I've already made them in the past with whatever dims were I came up with at the time.
If so who was that.
I'll gladly re-engineer the whole thing from scratch if someone will point me to the MG-81 guys.
With my recent move I have a real size professional lathe and mill at my disposal.
I could even make them without taking 3 freakin' years. heck, I've already made them in the past with whatever dims were I came up with at the time.
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BIKERFETT
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I must say I can't wait to get home and read this thread. It's like watchin 24 every page ends with a new twist and who the real bad guy is changes every couple pages.
So who was Perite?
I wish I new stuff about stuff that this guy did to that guy when he used to be called that name before the other name when he was liked before he was hated.
Just an attempt at levity. No need to burn me at the stake. Just tryin to put a smile on someone's face in this thread. Although I always wanted to be a bad guy. lol
Biker
So who was Perite?
I wish I new stuff about stuff that this guy did to that guy when he used to be called that name before the other name when he was liked before he was hated.
Just an attempt at levity. No need to burn me at the stake. Just tryin to put a smile on someone's face in this thread. Although I always wanted to be a bad guy. lol
Biker
Darbycrash
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This thread has so digressed let me lay out the facts here:
Munson start's a thread out of concern that Guy Raz is still on the RPF.
Raz besides his criminal conviction has shown some pretty scarey sociopathic tendencies.
Anyone that would take a lot of time to establish themselves as a different person to rejoin this hobby is a very scary and dangerous individual. The constant need to be involved with this board and projects is consistant with the profile of a stalker.
Read the post on the OT that he posted about MM.This should give you a good idea of the kind of things he thinks about.
Professionally I have worked on cases dealing with cyberstalkers and other dangerous individuals. By moving forward with a project that had his cad drawings it helped give him the validation he is looking for. Believe me it's not money that he wanted.
Even all these posts about him and the in fighting that is going on I guarantee he is loving it. Guys wake up this man is quite good and played many of you like a fiddle.
He definitely got a good body count this run that's for sure.
Munson start's a thread out of concern that Guy Raz is still on the RPF.
Raz besides his criminal conviction has shown some pretty scarey sociopathic tendencies.
Anyone that would take a lot of time to establish themselves as a different person to rejoin this hobby is a very scary and dangerous individual. The constant need to be involved with this board and projects is consistant with the profile of a stalker.
Read the post on the OT that he posted about MM.This should give you a good idea of the kind of things he thinks about.
Professionally I have worked on cases dealing with cyberstalkers and other dangerous individuals. By moving forward with a project that had his cad drawings it helped give him the validation he is looking for. Believe me it's not money that he wanted.
Even all these posts about him and the in fighting that is going on I guarantee he is loving it. Guys wake up this man is quite good and played many of you like a fiddle.
He definitely got a good body count this run that's for sure.
Boba Debt
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I was the other person that had access to a real MG-81 Flash Hider.
However, the one I borrowed was just a booster and it was in bad shape.
Borrowing one of these from a collector will be almost impossible, they are worth a lot of money and most collectors don't want just lend them out.
However, the one I borrowed was just a booster and it was in bad shape.
Borrowing one of these from a collector will be almost impossible, they are worth a lot of money and most collectors don't want just lend them out.
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