OK, so which one of you is Guy Raz?
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PHArchivist
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Crowe, you DON'T want to know...
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Umm...ratchet back the testosterone. He is talking about a guy who went after him personally from here. So, he is well within his rights to be cautious. He also does not want any of the members being sucked in by this loser again. Raz is infinitely worse than JHyphen, in my opinion, and that of many others.
To have such a cavalier attitude in regards to Raz is a bit distasteful.
Umm... then why are you, because that is EXACTLY what you are doing. If you have PROOF that he is here (which I wouldn't doubt that he is) and at least a LEAD on who he is... why bring this up? Looks to me like you are just stirring the pot and doing exactly what you claim to not be doing... What exactly is the purpose of your post aside from inciting the membership and causing people to begin looking at each other suspiciously?
Q-G,
I can totally understand and appreciate where you are coming from, but this is really no different than those posts that talk about something but provide no pics... except this is worse... This is going to do nothing but cause suspicion and unrest... and to what ends? If we had something to go on or something to look for, it would be one thing, but just to throw out a blanket that puts virtually everyone under suspicion... seems reckless and "distateful."
I can totally understand and appreciate where you are coming from, but this is really no different than those posts that talk about something but provide no pics... except this is worse... This is going to do nothing but cause suspicion and unrest... and to what ends? If we had something to go on or something to look for, it would be one thing, but just to throw out a blanket that puts virtually everyone under suspicion... seems reckless and "distateful."
Archie Opteryx
Well-Known Member
Wow, worse than JHypen? Raz is a pedophile. JHyphen is a pain in the @$$ to the RPF's administration. The two are not comparable.
PHArchivist
Master Member
Yeah, gotta agree here... FJ, you're cool in my book (always have been), but your post borders almost on contempt for bringing up the subject.
And as pointed out, an odious and disruptive personality is one thing. Repugnant criminal history and real-world abuse of other members is an entirely different matter.
We need to remain vigilant.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I thought the caveat of "infinitely" would make it clear I was NOT making one seem on the same scale as the other. It was FJ who drew the correlation between the two.
Archie Opteryx
Well-Known Member
Yep. Missed that.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
No worries here. Hyphen's antics, while disruptive, made me laugh sometimes.
rocketeer25
Sr Member
Well, I for one appreciate Matt bringing it to the board's attention. If GR is here as a registered member, it needs to be dealt with if at all possible.
More importantly, new members to the community need to know that if he is contacting them off-board, that they need to run far and fast. Some of them may be sharing info or doing business with him unaware of his criminal past.
Lonnie
More importantly, new members to the community need to know that if he is contacting them off-board, that they need to run far and fast. Some of them may be sharing info or doing business with him unaware of his criminal past.
Lonnie
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Master Member
Braks you bring up a good point...
On the other hand, not only do I know Matt on the RPF, but also personally. He has my complete confidence. If he is confident GR is among us, then I have - by default - confidence in his reasoning.
In my personal assessment, the players at hand and their corresponding qualities (Matt, and his insight and intellect; GR and his proven past atrocities and infractions) allow this to be more than a mere paranoia-generating witch hunt.
On the other hand, not only do I know Matt on the RPF, but also personally. He has my complete confidence. If he is confident GR is among us, then I have - by default - confidence in his reasoning.
In my personal assessment, the players at hand and their corresponding qualities (Matt, and his insight and intellect; GR and his proven past atrocities and infractions) allow this to be more than a mere paranoia-generating witch hunt.
Points worth adressing, and I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this further, and to explore other perspectives. Of course, you're entitled to yours, and I'll do my best to respond to yours with that in mind.
I agree paranoia is a bummer for those who suffer from it. However, I do not. Mirriam Webster defines it as "a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others" I think the key part is "irrational". If I had started a thread that said something like "I've got a sneaking feeling that Raz is here... but no real reason. Let's panic" then I would have no defense. However, I have sound reason/proof to believe that he is present. I've been given more via private communiquees since this thread was started. Why does this worry me? Not only for his historical pattern of disrupting the forum, or the fact that he is a convicted sexual predator. What bothers me is that he has demonstrated in the past that he collects information on me (specifically) and others and then uses it against them in the future. He also takes information found on this forum and uses it to enact real world consequences against those that post. I would personally say that my position is very different than paranoia. If anything, it's intelligence/information based fear for the public/personal welfare.
"My point being is SO WHAT?!". Interesting claim from a man who not only clicked on the link to this thread, but also took the time to post here.
you claim to not care, but you obviously do. You just happen to care in a different direction. That's OK. For those that are not concerned that Guy Raz is present on this board, you're welcome to voice your opinion. you're welcome to continue not caring. I suspect that your opinion would be different if you had children, or even worse, children that posted on this forum. Raz is so much more than just a nuisance or disruption. He's harmful. He's destructive. I'm sure it gives him a sense of pleasure seeing this much talk being done about him, but I think this type of discussion important.Why? Why does MattMunson think it's important to discuss this when there's probably nothing that can be done about it? For the same reason that Megan's Law allows people to publish information about these kinds of people. Because awareness CAN make a difference. I'm not sure if it WILL, but it COULD.
"Are you that naive that you think you are bringing this to our attention as a new revelation???" I am naive on many subjects. There is far more that I do not know than I do. I am not bringing this to the attention of you in the hopes that it was a revelation. If it was a revelation to some (as it appears to be by the posts in this thread and the PMs I've been receiving) then it was worthwhile, as my stated goal is awareness, and action if any is available.
"Better that you stop worrying about it, pull up your big boy pants, and move on with your life."
For the record, my pants are currently pulled up.
On the other hand, I disagree with your statement. I personally do not subscribe to the "bury your head in the sand" philosophy that you seem to be suggesting. I think it's VERY important to worry about someone who has a proven, documented, and public track record of lying, threatening, and acting out against fellow board members. I'm not sure why someone would disagree with me on that, but you are of course welcome to.
And like other posters in this thread, I rather like you, FunkyJedi. I am a fan of your posts and your work. I hope that nothing typed above was taken as a personal attack, even though I sorta percieve yours as one
Thank you for the support, and an excellent point which did not articulate. In his "prop runner" incarnation, he was deeply ingrained in the fabric of the RPF. Many people called him friend, and found him a regular part of their social circles. However, once unmasked, nearly everyone reacted with the shock, horror, and sickness that one would expect. As mentioned, there were one or two supporters, as there are in all things such as this.
Would you like to be one of the people this happens to this time around??
Chingon
Well-Known Member
If he's here, then it needs to be brought to the attention of the board mods. I've been here for almost 8 years and I think of this place as fun place to hang out when surfing the net. The thought that someone like Guy Raz may be back here takes away from that.
Another thing I think I've learned from hanging out here so long is that there are many people here who like to stir the *****. Matt aint one of those. I dont feel he'd bring this up without good reason.
Another thing I think I've learned from hanging out here so long is that there are many people here who like to stir the *****. Matt aint one of those. I dont feel he'd bring this up without good reason.
OldKen
Master Member
We need to work together to keep this place free of people who are banned... for whatever reason... and this happens to be a REALLY good reason.
Lets not attack fellow members who ARE in good standing. This is OT and its not religious or polotics so... discuss away! As long as it doesnt involve flaming or bashing each other. :unsure
If anyone does get any concrete proof of anything I feel it should be PMed to the staff. No need in letting GR know what we know...
Lets not attack fellow members who ARE in good standing. This is OT and its not religious or polotics so... discuss away! As long as it doesnt involve flaming or bashing each other. :unsure
If anyone does get any concrete proof of anything I feel it should be PMed to the staff. No need in letting GR know what we know...
patsmear
Sr Member
I would like to see some sort of action to try and track down his account. He is known for having part in many projects over the years. If he in fact is here, I am guessing he is working on something. If he is working on something and the others involved KNOW who he is, I think they deserve a kick up the backside too!
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BB, another good point. Like FunkiJedi, I am a fan of your posts and work too! I hope this discussion won't damage your opinion of me.
For the record, I do have proof, and far more than just a lead on who he is. The bummer is that if I post the proof, I could inadvertantly alert Raz to those that outed him. For example, lets say he has sent only ONE pm in his entire time on the RPF under a new user name. he sent it to one person. That one person forwarded it to me. (all hypothetical by the way, this is not true. Just a scenario) So I now know who raz is, and who he's talking to. If I come to the RPF and say "I know raz's new identity, here it is". Raz now knows who "outed" him. God only knows what he'd do with that info. So for reasons similar to this, I am keeping those details quiet. Some will chose to trust me based on my word alone, others will not. I can say in all honesty that if someone I didn't know told me to take something on faith, I would of course question their claims. Naturally. So I am not wildly offended (or offended at all) with those that choose to question this. That's not a bad thing.
When I first posted that I was not calling for a witch hunt, I meant it. i still do. I guess it's all about how you define the term. I think of it as a call to bring the person center stage and execute them. Literally or figuratively, take your pick.
I'm not doing that. I DO NOT want him to come forward. The exact opposite. I want him to go away.
It might be hair splitting. While the thread may start to smell like a witch hunt, I guess my point was that I don't want it to turn into the thing I described in this post, because it's not my overall goal. Initially, I was hoping for awareness and action. the action being some sort of technical fix that could forbid him from participating in this forum. After some posts and reflection, I realized that the latter is not really possible. So the gears have shifted strictly towards awareness.
*I* personally don't need him identified. Knowing his RPF ID is not really of value to me, as he can just change it. this may not be true for others. It might be VERY important to someone who has children and is inviting an RPF member over to his house for dinner. I think THEY would want to know. Maybe THAT is starting to sound more like a witch hunt.
I guess at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter to me what my motivation is called, or how my actions are labled. Call it a witch hunt, a donkey shoot, a monkey shine, whatever you like
If at the end of the day, I and some of my fellow RPF users are saved the nightmare of having to interact with this guy, or feel the consequences of his unravelling, then it was time well spent. (that's another one of those "I can't imagine why you'd disagree" type things, by the way)- Status
