Nuka Dark Rum

Never said it was high-quality plastic. *heh* And that Redditor had to do a bit of work to get the halves apart. Took me a while to realize it wasn't fused. Still not gonna bother. The effort of getting the shell apart runs a good chance of damaging it. It's good rum, though.

My earlier stance hasn't changed, however. I still wish we could get a series of clear glass bottles in an appropriate 6.5-10-oz. size (hearkening back to the original Coca-Cola contour bottles, and a better scale match, going by the bottle caps). I'm toying with the idea of tackling it locally. I know a couple glass-blowers, and have access to mold-making facilities... >_>
 
I kinda want to design a mash-up of sorts. The original contour bottle, with the fins at the bottom. Best of both.

I believe the concept art had the contours on the bottle as well. It wasn't the same profile as the coke bottles of FO3, but it was pretty close.

I'd love something like that myself. Just not gonna make it. Polishing all those resin bottles ****** my arm up a good bit. Wish I knew how to work with real glass.
 
I spoke with an online community of glass blowers who said that finned nuka bottle would be very difficult to make with traditional techniques. It could likely be made with a brass or steel mold for the main bottle section. The fins could be made separate in a press mold and joined after blowing. While possible, it would be several hours and hundreds of dollars to get one bottle. There is a eastern bloc country studio (that does some amazing work but very pricey) who could do it as they're blowing wine decanters for design house in London. I've talked to a local glass shop about lessons and went so far as to print the molds but held off casting them in bronze.

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I stumbled across scientific glass blowing which may work much better for a run. With the advent of legalized marijuana, many shops have sprung up who do flamework. The idea would be to turn the bottles shape on a lathe using borosilica glass tubing and then add fins after blowing. The results could be much more repeatable. That and glass lathes are just cool. The video below shows the manufacture of beaker using a graphite profile.

 
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That lathe technique is interesting. I have seen the 3D printed mold (I think I even posted about it in a past nuka cola thread)
I guess the fins are is just too small to do with hand-blown glass?
 
That lathe technique is interesting. I have seen the 3D printed mold (I think I even posted about it in a past nuka cola thread)
I guess the fins are is just too small to do with hand-blown glass?

Yes, the leading edge or outside of the glass is coolest so it solidifies first. As the mold is cooler, as the glass advances, the glass in contact with the mold solidifies before filling the fin cavity. To mouth blow it, you'd have to go very hot, very runny, very fast and be an expert...even then you'd have a lot of failures. The forum that I barged into said it wouldn't be possible with the fins but you may get it in two parts...press and blow mold. the blow mold could be a turning or non-turning mold as the shape is symmetrical.


I researched old patents for glass blowing bottle machines. I think its doable with an industrial mold and machine but its a two step process that requires two molds. One mold to press the bottle "gob" and then a second to blow the shape. Given the limited run, it'd be easier to just make them by hand. Also, a machine would require greater pressure than just mouth blowing. 30-50 psi if I recall correctly. Exploding molten glass with embedded sharp cutty bits...I'll pass.

I've contacted a few places around the country to find a glass lathe and lessons but it is apparently a dieing art.
 
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That'd be cool to find a way to make accurate bottles in glass, but i don't think the fins could be part of it, probably would be needed to be made separately and have them re attached by special glue or molding. Glass blowing is a crazy skill! Got mad respect for the people who can do it!
 
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Interesting, looking forward to seeing their approach.

Just saw this review on the rum.
 
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Further info I ran across about the Silver Screen one. They mentioned they had looked at doing glass bottles originally, but went with plastic instead as the glass versions didn't capture the look they were going for as well as they'd hoped... So. Yeah. I got nothin' on that.
 
I just noticed the "Product note" they put on their website:

"Regarding our product, the COO, Sommelier and product specialist of Silver Screen Bottling Co., Ryan McElveen, has written a note to our customers about the story of the intentional and complex design of the Nuka Dark Rum product.

The packaging of Nuka Dark Rum was a design that was months in the making and we went to great lengths to ensure that no corners were cut. It cost over 2X what it would have if we would have simply cast a glass mold. We went through many prototypes. In fact, in all, we had four different iterations of the design, two of which were glass exteriors. We determined that a glass bottle alone would not have been dramatic enough for the look we wanted. We wanted something big and bold for the loyal Fallout fanbase – something that honored the game. Over 100 hours were spent just writing the code to create the 3D-printed prototype of the shells. The “bottle cap” which is actually an integrated cork/cap, was engineered and re-engineered several times to ensure it fit on the bottle in a manner that looked exactly the way it is supposed to inside of a cork finished bottle (not a screw cap). A design created, specifically, for rum. The idea was that the bottle was housed in a “vault of its own.”

The dimensions of the entire package are 13”x 6”. It is roughly 60% larger than a standard 750 ml bottle and It will stand out on any bar. This is a project we are extremely proud of and we are sorry that you feel that you were in any way deceived. We were very deliberate in the creation of this product and paid great attention to the brand and the quality. Not just the presentation, but the rum inside the bottle as well. We can’t wait for you to see it in person and taste if for yourself, we’re not sure that the images or videos do it justice. Now, if you don’t agree when you receive yours please let our team know by submitting a form in the “Questions About My Order” section below and we will work to make it right."
At first I thought it was blow-molded plastic, but taking another look at the images posted reveals that the plastic has snaps on the edges. This means they have to do two separate two-part injection plastic molds, one for each half of the bottle. Even a cheap plastic mold of this scale costs >$10K.

The in game the bottles are not liter sized, so I don't get why they went "Big and bold". Other than they had to fit the bottle shape around a pre-existing bottle.

100 hours of coding to 3D print the prototypes? Were they writing G-code by hand? Perhaps this is just bad wording for all the time they spent on design.

The integrated cork cap idea seemed like a very odd and expensive design choice. Of course the rum dripping over the edges of the plastic just looks horrible. Glass bottles have a lip for a reason.

My theory: They tried and failed at least a few times to make a glass bottle, or a some other variant of this bottle. In the end they ran out of time, and simply rushed the plastic over an existing bottle design. They had already announced the liquid capacity, so that set the bottle size, and this is why it is way over sized.

Here is how I would designed, if I was told that the fins at the bottom aren't possible in blown glass:
  • Create a more traditional glass bottle, something that is accurate to the shape of the in-game bottle. This shape is possible, because they make it all the time for lava lamps. Lava lamp bottles even have a traditional bottle caps on top!
  • Then design a plastic molded base, something that adds the fins to the existing bottle shape. Mold this out of a very clear plastic, at the same thickness as the glass surface.
  • Then you fill the clear base with a acrylic adhesive, tinted to match the alcohol content inside. The acrylic adhesive would be used to bond the molded base to the glass bottle. It would bond with the surface of the glass, and make the base of the real bottle less visible, especially through a dark liquid.
  • The tinted acrylic would create the fake effect that the bottle was completely full, including the fins.
  • Finally, fill the bottle with a genuinely dark alcohol. Not a cheaply tinted drink.
  • Put a regular bottle cap on top! The cap alone could have been a collectible.
While I am writing this in hindsight, I may take some time and actually 3D model this. I might even record a video of the CAD as I go.
 
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Because I can't leave well enough alone, here is a 3D Rendering showing what I am talking about. This took me about 100 minutes to do from scratch, and it is game-accurate. Although it would only hold 240mL (8oz) of liquid.

The glass would have to be made pretty precise to mate with the injection molded plastic base. Shrinkage for both parts would have to be compensated for. The base could be acrylic or polycarbonate, and is a simple A/B plastic molded part.
Some sealing adhesive would be applied to bond and seal the plastic to the glass. Than to create the fluid effect in the base, the bottle is flipped over, and the the inside of the plastic is filled with a tinted resin. Or the base could be filled with resin in a separate step, and bonded to the glass afterwards, but a full seal to the glass is needed to make the various surfaces transmit light in a way that makes them look like one piece.
 
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Nice work Zap, they've made nice custom bottles in the past so not sure what went wrong. I spoke with a scientific glass blowing place in town and we're iterating on design. They can get me the basic bottle shape without fins and no recessed label area. I've asked for a prototype to see how close they can get it. Looking forward to what Inquisitor comes back with.
 
The link I keep forgetting to post is for someone who does mold them one piece -- with the fins. And I would have been happy paying $$$ for a four-pack of 6.5-oz. bottles with screw-off bottle caps, full of pre-mixed rum-and-cola/Cuba Libre. I wasn't thrilled with the notion of cola-flavored rum in a fifth bottle. More later.
 
Also, there may be latches holding the shells together, but mine, at least, was heat-treated after. That seam is solidly fused. Not sure if this was an accident talk result from some other heat-involving step, or if it was an intentional thing that those who can easily pop their shells apart didnt have done sufficiently with theirs...
 
You can ultrasonically weld plastic together, they may have done that. Typically that is difficult for that size of object and shape. They could have also used a solvent or adhesive.
 

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