Nike Mag V2 Mod Discussion (Page 58 Shopping List)

[joeyock]

I agree with Airair 100%. I really don't see them being a general release shoe, how annoyed would the people be who forked out a ton of cash for the 2011 mag only for Nike to release the full power laced version to the general public. I'd be p****d!

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yea, there is NO WAY they will do a general release of the power laces, but I could easily see them doing a general release of just the shoe no lights and stuff. That way it doesn't take anything away from the 1500 pairs from 2011. I also imagine the packaging would be a lot more simple. When I say general release though I don't mean general like nike air max. I'm talking like the Air Force 180 reboot from last year where you you might see them at footlocker, and you might not. Not a ton of pairs but enough to get your hands on if you really want to.

 

[Jedifyfe]

If anyone wants a pair of replica McFly Hyperdunks size 11US, I just posted a thread in the JY.

 

[JLeezy23]

I got inspired by the actual pattern picture that was posted with that SoleCollector article, and decided to do a really quick test to see what those patterns look like.

Here's how they look printed onto paper, loosely taped together, and put on my dissected V1 soles. (just to give them shape)

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I don't know about you guys, but even in paper, that shape looks better than the V2s ever could. Looks like I might soon have to get back up to speed with my Mag game.

I'll probably try them in foam next, including some of the secondary foam pieces like the internal heel support to see what's what.

-Nick

That looks good! Thats how did my pattern too, I used one paper template then just flipped it for the other shoe. I ran into a snag while perfecting the collar, 6 drafts and none of em fit perfect :wacko Hopefully the RD pattern fixes all the mess though :thumbsup

 

[MitasTouch]

We need someone to make a movie accurate pair with the V2s. All foam and everything. I might take up that challenge once i have more money saved up and a pair of good templates come out. I might end up using the ones on that Nike article, but ill need to know how to scale everything. That's why theres a good chance ill use another member's. That person will probably help people out with scaling.

I know a site that sells custom thickness upholstery foam. You can choose among different "densities" too. Haha. If i attempt the project i will have to experiment with the different foam densities though. You dont want too floppy or too firm of shoes.

 

[cavx]

The problem is that I have tiny air bubbles forming as you can see in this picture:-
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You will be back lighting these so should not even see them.

 

[TheNickFox]

That looks good! Thats how did my pattern too, I used one paper template then just flipped it for the other shoe. I ran into a snag while perfecting the collar, 6 drafts and none of em fit perfect :wacko Hopefully the RD pattern fixes all the mess though :thumbsup

I'd say the RD patterns fix a lot of things... Here is my test in foam, using even the extra support pieces inside:


(A good representation of the shape of these things...though it is just loosely placed on my V1 soles)


(Shows the internal support pieces from the RD patterns)

I love the shape of these things. I'd say if we combined THESE patterns with JediFyfe's knowledge he gained from building ground up Mags off of the MP soles AND with all of the amazing things this thread has discovered we'd finally have the PERFECT (non-RD) replicas!

-Nick

 

[nitrox]

Nick,

That really does look very good indeed, I think if we combined all our efforts we could have a mag which would be "almost" exactly the same as the RD.

Interesting and exciting stuff indeed!

 

[JLeezy23]

:cool :Wow those are lookin crazy good already! For my pattern, I was going to add in a layer of cross stitch fabric as the inner layer and covering with the grey fabric, giving it durability and stiffness. I've got all the materials for this part, but sadly no time lol. We want moar!

 

[cavx]

I'd say the RD patterns fix a lot of things... Here is my test in foam, using even the extra support pieces inside:

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(A good representation of the shape of these things...though it is just loosely placed on my V1 soles)

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(Shows the internal support pieces from the RD patterns)

I love the shape of these things. I'd say if we combined THESE patterns with JediFyfe's knowledge he gained from building ground up Mags off of the MP soles AND with all of the amazing things this thread has discovered we'd finally have the PERFECT (non-RD) replicas!

-Nick

That looks HOT. I say quickly rip that other shoe apart and make a left I do like how you added in the 2nd layer for the collar. Can't quite see what you have done for the inside of the heel. is it two layers as well?

 

[TheNickFox]

That looks HOT. I say quickly rip that other shoe apart and make a left I do like how you added in the 2nd layer for the collar. Can't quite see what you have done for the inside of the heel. is it two layers as well?

Yup! Here's the piece on the pattern:



I'm still not entirely sure it belongs where I put it, but it makes sense and seems to be doing a good job of adding extra support to my foam test.

There are only a few pieces on the patterns I can't quite work out, that seem to be indicated as needing to be made out of the structural material (Rather than fabric)

Interestingly, there is a foam "inner core" to the puffy white cuff, but only the part that extends above the ears.

It really has been interesting studying this pattern. For instance, my guess about the ribs being made of the same fabric as the outer shell of the uppers and sewn where the stretch laces are visible, before being folded under appears to be correct. At least, if my ability to read highly compressed writing is any good. :lol

The double layering of foam around the ears is something I believe I pointed out in the original K-Mag thread, so it's interesting to have that confirmed as well...and to have tried it in practice now.

As we get further away from the V2s, it might actually become more cost effective to start investigating how to build these entirely from scratch as a group. Otherwise, this road is going to lead some people to spending $300 dollars just for soles and heel cups...we may need to start a "Open Source Mag Project" to create a share information and files for those looking to take on that level of task.

Thoughts?

-Nick

 

[airair]

Yup! Here's the piece on the pattern:

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I'm still not entirely sure it belongs where I put it, but it makes sense and seems to be doing a good job of adding extra support to my foam test.

There are only a few pieces on the patterns I can't quite work out, that seem to be indicated as needing to be made out of the structural material (Rather than fabric)

Interestingly, there is a foam "inner core" to the puffy white cuff, but only the part that extends above the ears.

It really has been interesting studying this pattern. For instance, my guess about the ribs being made of the same fabric as the outer shell of the uppers and sewn where the stretch laces are visible, before being folded under appears to be correct. At least, if my ability to read highly compressed writing is any good. :lol

The double layering of foam around the ears is something I believe I pointed out in the original K-Mag thread, so it's interesting to have that confirmed as well...and to have tried it in practice now.

As we get further away from the V2s, it might actually become more cost effective to start investigating how to build these entirely from scratch as a group. Otherwise, this road is going to lead some people to spending $300 dollars just for soles and heel cups...we may need to start a "Open Source Mag Project" to create a share information and files for those looking to take on that level of task.

Thoughts?

-Nick

Sounds good. I think one of the most important things to find out first is which glue can be used.

On a stripped pair of v2 soles ive not had any luck in finding a glue to stick new fabric to the grey rubber.

In the factories they use a hot melted glue which is then tightly pressured to glue everything. This glue is not really available for the regular Joe.

So far I've tried evostik impact contact adhesive. I tried some loctite gel flexible.

It may be the fabric which is speaker fabric is not taking well to the glue adhesive.

Synthetic fabrics seem to be difficult to glue to rubber.

If you have any suggestions for a strong adhesive let me know! Im not having much luck!

I tried asking cloneprops what he usedy to glue his speaker fabric uppers to his polyurethane rubber cast soles but never get a reply.
Maybe someone else can find out.

 

[cavx]

Yup! Here's the piece on the pattern:

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As we get further away from the V2s, it might actually become more cost effective to start investigating how to build these entirely from scratch as a group. Otherwise, this road is going to lead some people to spending $300 dollars just for soles and heel cups...we may need to start a "Open Source Mag Project" to create a share information and files for those looking to take on that level of task.

Thoughts?

-Nick

Absolutely.

Here is jpeg conversion of the Sketch File I created. I did it in SU because of the ability to scale. Note the extra tongue piece that I have made 20% longer.

I have not done all the parts and considered the parts I have done as "essential" to building these shoes but I am sure more parts are needed to make these "wearable". That part in the heel is interesting because I would probably remove it initially and fit it back in later. Note that I also intentionally left out the toe box.

 

[cavx]

Sounds good. I think one of the most important things to find out first is which glue can be used.

On a stripped pair of v2 soles ive not had any luck in finding a glue to stick new fabric to the grey rubber.

In the factories they use a hot melted glue which is then tightly pressured to glue everything. This glue is not really available for the regular Joe.

So far I've tried evostik impact contact adhesive. I tried some loctite gel flexible.

It may be the fabric which is speaker fabric is not taking well to the glue adhesive.

Synthetic fabrics seem to be difficult to glue to rubber.

If you have any suggestions for a strong adhesive let me know! Im not having much luck!

I tried asking cloneprops what he usedy to glue his speaker fabric uppers to his polyurethane rubber cast soles but never get a reply.
Maybe someone else can find out.

airair, when I glued my leather MAG project together, I used what is basically a liquid nails for timbre. Whilst I did have a small failure on one shoe, it stuck like nothing else on the other shoe and split the leather leaving part of it still attached to the rubber. I had to grind that off with a dremil.

The trick is that you need to apply the stuff to both surfaces, let it tack, then press the parts together, so you need to make sure your two parts are aligned up before you pres them down.

Traditional Selley's Liquid Nails is brown, and this could get messy if you accidentally get it on the cloth uppers in a visible place. I also found the same stuff in a clear version in a squeeze tube which might be good because unlike the brown stuff in plastic tubes, this won't stain. It costs about 5x that of the brown stuff though. Might be worth looking into.

That hot melt glue you mentioned would be great but you need to ability to melt the stuff and keep it at that temp for the bond which is outside of the DIYer's arena.

 

[MitasTouch]

We need to figure out what the rest of the pieces are for. A lot of them don't make sense to me.

 

[airair]

airair, when I glued my leather MAG project together, I used what is basically a liquid nails for timbre. Whilst I did have a small failure on one shoe, it stuck like nothing else on the other shoe and split the leather leaving part of it still attached to the rubber. I had to grind that off with a dremil.

The trick is that you need to apply the stuff to both surfaces, let it tack, then press the parts together, so you need to make sure your two parts are aligned up before you pres them down.

Traditional Selley's Liquid Nails is brown, and this could get messy if you accidentally get it on the cloth uppers in a visible place. I also found the same stuff in a clear version in a squeeze tube which might be good because unlike the brown stuff in plastic tubes, this won't stain. It costs about 5x that of the brown stuff though. Might be worth looking into.
That hot melt glue you mentioned would be great but you need to ability to melt the stuff and keep it at that temp for the bond which is outside of the DIYer's arena.

Thanks. Im not sure what the UK equivalent is called. I've seen evostik liquid nails and another glue called "no nails".

Does it say anything specific on the selleys glue as to what type of glue it is?
I've seen a few glues which say solvent free. I will have a look and see what I can find later today.

 

[airair]

We need to figure out what the rest of the pieces are for. A lot of them don't make sense to me.

I think a few of the pieces are for the inside section (possibly inside the actual grey stitched areas). I wouldn't worry about using everything, just stick to the main template of the outside which is just two pieces, and use it on the inside also.

They have to use more specific shapes and cut outs tailored for manufacturing purposes because they are using a shoe last and machines to stitch and glue everything together. They must have spent many months coming up with a pattern so that it could be done and replicated easily and quickly.

From what I can see, for the inside of the heel area, they have split the fabric into top half and bottom half, and obviously probably added a stiff piece on the heel area (kind of what the V1 knockoff has in the heel, a cardboardy type thing).

The V2 we have has nothing in the heel, its just the fabric glued to the heel, and the upper half is floppy, whereas the official mag has obviously used doubled up foam to give it stiffness.

The V2 is kind of a hybrid of the 2011 shoe and the movie shoe. The soft upper area of the movie shoes is similar to what we have in the V2, unlike the stiff 2011 official release.

It depends on what you prefer, if you want movie accuracy, then having a less stiff upper half and a sock toebox is the way to go, but if you want maybe more durability and a shoe which looks perfect all the time, then the official 2011 release is the way to go.

 

[TheNickFox]

We need to figure out what the rest of the pieces are for. A lot of them don't make sense to me.

I'll annotate the pattern as best as I can in a little while to help lay things out. There are only a small handful of pieces I don't quite understand, so I'm sure they are internal pieces that we wouldn't have any overt visual reference for.

-Nick

 

[JLeezy23]

Looks like most small bits are for inner reinforcement (between the fabric layers) I remember jedifyfe saying the RD is quite rigid compared to replicas. The long narrow pieces with tabs look like to sew underneath the upper (does that make sense? Lol) And the tabs look like for gluing reinforcements that attach to the midsole. Just my thoughts though. Liquid Nails is a tough adhesive, just a long curing time in my experience. Might have to ask cloneprops about his gluing mixtures, I remember he made his own stuff. Thats just my speculation by looking at the diagram

 

[cavx]

Thanks. Im not sure what the UK equivalent is called. I've seen evostik liquid nails and another glue called "no nails".

Does it say anything specific on the selleys glue as to what type of glue it is?
I've seen a few glues which say solvent free. I will have a look and see what I can find later today.

Not sure either but it looks like the CLEAR does come in a 250g tube.

It says that it may damage some plastics like Polycarbonite and I think this was the stuff I used on my Tube Bag when I had the polycarb fail before changing those parts out for PVC.

It says HERELiquid Nails® Clear | Selleys Australia

For faster grab, apply to one surface only, press together and pull apart. Allow surfaces to dry 2-3 minutes before firmly

 

[themadprofessor]

ok guys, i dont really care whether they light up or not.. where did you get the shoes themselves?? i cant find them on the nike website even.. or have you built these from basic nikes, with custom uppers??.. sorry, not that knowledgable about shoes...lol