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Owed list update!

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2. ave4uevoli Hero TIE with Koolshade
3. Lazyeagle Standard TIE
4. Gatorbait9696 TIE
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7. GF Shuttle Tyderium, TIE pilot and wing parts.
8. voodocaster upgrade ATST ROTJ larger legs, missing kit parts from ATST ROTJ.
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10. Jedimaster Replacement cockpit canopy for Shuttle Tyderium (cast)
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14 Gort probe droid, snowspeeder parts.
15 neojun77 TIE
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18 Cosmic-X 2x 1/12 Warrior Bugs
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21 Viceland Escape Pod replacement hull
22 Satazius replacement Escape Pod body
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24 JLinNY standard TIE Wings, he will send stars back to steve when he receives the wings
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26 Darth Kukiman few finished SS models (SS X-Wing recieved)
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Just wondering, what is the stTus on those 2 Warrior Bugs
 
Cosmic-X I have about half of both kits done... Have rear legs and front parts to do. Want to ship these to you next week!

received the hero wing star from John.... WOW what a master builder he is... will get pics posted over at the TIE Fighter thread tonight.

Steve
 
I've been told I need to get on this list, so here I am....

#30 (?) eimb1999: studio scale standard TIE fighter kit (but would take a Y-wing instead, if easier!)

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Updated list:

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2. ave4uevoli Hero TIE with Koolshade
3. Lazyeagle Standard TIE
4. Gatorbait9696 TIE
5.
6.
7. GF Shuttle Tyderium, TIE pilot and wing parts.
8. voodocaster upgrade ATST ROTJ larger legs, missing kit parts from ATST ROTJ.
9.
10. Jedimaster Replacement cockpit canopy for Shuttle Tyderium (cast)
11.
12.
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14 Gort probe droid, snowspeeder parts.
15 neojun77 TIE
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18 Cosmic-X 2x 1/12 Warrior Bugs
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21 Viceland Escape Pod replacement hull
22 Satazius replacement Escape Pod body
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24 JLinNY standard TIE Wings, he will send stars back to steve when he receives the wings
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26 Darth Kukiman few finished SS models (SS X-Wing recieved)
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30 eimb1999: Studio scale standard TIE fighter kit (but would take a Y-wing instead, if easier!)
 
Okay guys,

please explain why a few of you show up NOW, a YEAR after the original thread was started?!

Although Steve is the one who needs to get his act together (which looks like he definitely will, since the list really shrunk way quicker than a lot of people thought), it´s not really understandable that it took you guys over a year to notice that a thread about remeding long outstanding issues has been made.

And if you had taken the time to read through the thread you would have noticed that VaderDarth went to the trouble and compiled the list and handled a lot of updates and kept in touch with Steve, investing a lot of his own time to help others out.
Members who wanted to be added to the list contacted Dave/VD and sent him the details on the open deals and then were added to the list.

Again, it definitely is Steve who has to do a lot of work, but this does not mean that claims can or will go unchecked.
I have witnessed people in the pass trying to hop onto the rolling wagon and get the better of someone who was behind with delivering items, trying to take advantage of that member. Two wrongs don´t make one right.

That is the reason why all updates and additions are handled and checked as good as possible by Dave, so if you want to be added to the list, contact Dave first, and Steve of course, and after that you will be added to the list.

This issue is a serious one due to the huge volume of money that changed hands, but until now Steve did keep his promises and a lot of people are much happier than a year ago, a great, great deal thanks to Dave´s help in this matter.

Thanks,
Michael
RPF staff
 
Okay guys,

please explain why a few of you show up NOW, a YEAR after the original thread was started?!

Thanks,
Michael
RPF staff

Well, I can think of at least two reasons right now:

1.) Buyers who tried to keep their purchases off public lists in general

2.) Buyers who thought it might be a better idea to deal with Steve directly and not in public - IMO quite a fair move (and thus not enlarging the damage on Steve's reputation any further).

But when they feel they couldn't come through with this tactic (or things went sour) they use Dave's list as a back-up.

Only my two cents though.

Cheers,
Falk

PS: I am pretty certain there are lots of people not on this "official" list waiting to get their paid goods from Steve because of just these two reasons!
 
Well, I can think of at least two reasons right now:

1.) Buyers who tried to keep their purchases off public lists in general

They still could have asked Dave to be put on the list as "anonymous". Happens all the time in JY sales.
In addition, those members (and even non-members!) could have contacted us, the staff, too, asking to stay anonymous. So that´s no real excuse, IMO.

2.) Buyers who thought it might be a better idea to deal with Steve directly and not in public - IMO quite a fair move (and thus not enlarging the damage on Steve's reputation any further).
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See above.

But when they feel they couldn't come through with this tactic (or things went sour) they use Dave's list as a back-up.
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That´s the reason the list was created in the first place. And a backup for a strategy that did not work in the first place? C´mon.

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PS: I am pretty certain there are lots of people not on this "official" list waiting to get their paid goods from Steve because of just these two reasons!

Falk, I actually do not care why people did not bother to join this list. All I am interested in is that this list is cleared and this case is closed.
People are dragging things out for everyone involved by simply joining really, really late into the game and thus complicating things for everyone involved. Of course Steve is the one who is dragging out things by not delivering, but he has made quite some progress. No excuse for the remaining items, though.

I already said it, Steve is definitely the one who needs to take care of things. And Dave has helped a lot, as well as Mike. This was turned into a matter that also required our "official" involvement.

If people just now, after one year (!) since Dave started to compile the list, come to the conclusion that they are not able to handle issues on their own or that they now think that it is better to come out of the anonymity, well then please understand that I may come to the conclusion to draw a line at one point and tell those people to continue to try and handle those issues on their own, because I am totally opposed to overstretching Dave´s generous donation of time to help resolve this issue.

Regarding Steve´s reputation, people showing up at this point does the complete opposite if they tried to stay off the list to help Steve, since I had the impression that this list is a comprehensive list of people who still have to receive items.
To be honest, I do not like this development.

Michael
RPF staff
 
Owed list update! This is the official list until Steve tells me otherwise. Sorry to you newcomers, I can't just take your word for it. Contact Steve with the details of your original deal. If he verifies your claim, and instructs me, I'll add you to the list. We've had some "bogus" claims already that were not put on the list. I have to be sure.

1.
2. ave4uevoli Hero TIE with Koolshade
3. Lazyeagle Standard TIE,Y wing (shipped.)
4. Gatorbait9696 TIE
5.
6.
7. GF Shuttle Tyderium, TIE pilot and wing parts.
8. voodocaster upgrade ATST ROTJ larger legs, missing kit parts from ATST ROTJ.
9.
10. Jedimaster Replacement cockpit canopy for Shuttle Tyderium (cast)
11.
12.
13.
14 Gort probe droid, snowspeeder parts.
15 neojun77 TIE with metal armature (armeture shipped)
16
17
18 Cosmic-X 2x 1/12 Warrior Bugs
19
20
21 Viceland Escape Pod replacement hull
22 Satazius replacement Escape Pod body
23
24 JLinNY standard TIE Wings, he will send stars back to steve when he receives the wings
25 Mbmfarland Armature (shipped)
26 Darth Kukiman few finished SS models (SS X-Wing recieved)
27
28
29
 
Dave,

can you please check if the Warrior Bugs have been shipped? Steve said that they were supposed to go out a week ago.

thanks
 
You do know he just got out of the hospital right? Last I heard, he had cast half the bugs and needed to pour the other half. I'm not aware of any shippings at this time. I'll keep checking though.
 
Wanting to ship these and shipping these are two entirely different things. Currently Steve is not allowed to lift anything per doctors orders. He got life threatening bloodclots while undergoing surgery. His recovery is gonna take some time. he's doing as much as he physically can at the present, but he gets a little better each day. He is gonna do his level best to get the bugs to ya ASAP. :)
 
It this point guys im slowly working back in.. tried to do some casting last week and went to move the 1 gallon pot off the floor and about blew a innard... I have recieved the Hero TIE master pattern and am planning a RTV pour this weekend if i can get some help with the 50 lb kit of RTV.

While healthy I was getting the list knocked down with weekly progress.. Im hurtin a lil at the moment please let me try to get 80% - 90% and then it will happen. apparently 79% isnt cutting it.

Steve
 
Steve, thanks for chiming in here. Just do what it takes to get well in a proper way. Per our discussion earlier, you're still chipping away at the list even in your current state of recovery and that is quite valliant on your part.

Can't wait to see pics of the TIE Wing. You and I have been tossing this idea around for so long and my excitement on this new upgraded wing is over the top. I know that the TIE folks on the list will be extremely happy to see what you've cooked up. It was a short delay from when we were working on the Interceptor backlog considering how much work went into it an you are already at the moulding phase. Very impressive.

Don't push yourself too hard because we both know it can only do you harm until you get beyond this recovery stuff. Peace brother!

Dave :)
 
guys, for some reason my pm's are hanging up... Max... Ive got a call into Rich.. as I think that where your original communication was with. I have no knowledge of owing you anything nor have I agreed to anything. However I am not apposed to getting you the kits at all..im not just going to do it for free thats for sure. I am looking into it and will let you know what i find out.

eimb1999 please shoot me an email with the details of your order sneisen@bresnan.net TIE fighters are going to be shipping next!

Steve
 
Well, I can think of at least two reasons right now:

1.) Buyers who tried to keep their purchases off public lists in general

2.) Buyers who thought it might be a better idea to deal with Steve directly and not in public - IMO quite a fair move (and thus not enlarging the damage on Steve's reputation any further).

But when they feel they couldn't come through with this tactic (or things went sour) they use Dave's list as a back-up.

Only my two cents though.

Cheers,
Falk

PS: I am pretty certain there are lots of people not on this "official" list waiting to get their paid goods from Steve because of just these two reasons!
Falk is quite correct, deals go on all of the time behind the scenes. Nearly all will never be public. Such as my circumstance. I know the details of how Steve came to owe me, and so does Steve, as well as the other party involved. But none of us will say anything publicly. In my case I'm at my end to try to get what I'm owed. In my prior dealings with Steve, PM's and e-mails went unanswered. What other choice do I have.

I can confirm Falk's PS, and keep in mind I'm sure there are people owed that do not go on the boards. I have had people contact me from outside the boards interested in something I've offered. With the number of years Steve has been in this business, I'm sure that list is very long.

That´s the reason the list was created in the first place. And a backup for a strategy that did not work in the first place? C´mon.



Falk, I actually do not care why people did not bother to join this list. All I am interested in is that this list is cleared and this case is closed.
People are dragging things out for everyone involved by simply joining really, really late into the game and thus complicating things for everyone involved. Of course Steve is the one who is dragging out things by not delivering, but he has made quite some progress. No excuse for the remaining items, though.

I already said it, Steve is definitely the one who needs to take care of things. And Dave has helped a lot, as well as Mike. This was turned into a matter that also required our "official" involvement.

If people just now, after one year (!) since Dave started to compile the list, come to the conclusion that they are not able to handle issues on their own or that they now think that it is better to come out of the anonymity, well then please understand that I may come to the conclusion to draw a line at one point and tell those people to continue to try and handle those issues on their own, because I am totally opposed to overstretching Dave´s generous donation of time to help resolve this issue.

Regarding Steve´s reputation, people showing up at this point does the complete opposite if they tried to stay off the list to help Steve, since I had the impression that this list is a comprehensive list of people who still have to receive items.
To be honest, I do not like this development.

Michael
RPF staff
Michael if you look back on the thread I was posting, and due to outside pressure I did not state what items were owed. Also a lot of things are given away when people state what items are owed. Now I fully understand your position, you can't do anything beyond this board. You'll have to expect others to come forward with legit claims late in the game. Especially when they see the list is being cleared, which gives them some hope that they will received what they paid for.

I can explain some of the silence beyond Falk's statements.

One is people who never go to the boards, so they do not know the list exists(as I previously stated).

Another are people who are owed but are afraid to speak out, because they believe they will never get a thing if they do speak out. This one is the most relevant, because I have heard many people make this statement. Which makes absolutely no sense to me. The funniest one I heard, there is a black list of people who the GKer's will not sell to. Sorry, if there is such a list I'm sure I'm near the top:lol. I'll bet I could buy something from Steve tomorrow, and he will take my money(only an idiot will refuse a sale these days). But it will take a long time if ever, to receive the item.

Micheal just because you clear this list will not mean you'll never see posts about this subject again. As long as Steve(or anybody else) is selling product, and takes an excessive time to deliver. The list will never be closed, your only other recourse is to delete all, "I'm owed something" posts. Which will not look good to the membership, since all they are trying to do is get what they paid for. If the seller in question is unresponsive, or just gives lip service, whet else can one do?
 
Okay, let me take this apart a bit.

Falk is quite correct, deals go on all of the time behind the scenes. Nearly all will never be public.

Of course not. But then people can´t expect us, the staff, or other members, to effectively help in a "deal gone bad" situation. If it´s a "he said - but he said..." situation, then what do people expect us to do, when the last thing we can do is ban a member?

Such as my circumstance. I know the details of how Steve came to owe me, and so does Steve, as well as the other party involved.
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And here we go. Complicated, off the records situation. I have no idea how this could be resolved with the help of Dave or my help. And for my tastes way too complicated to try and resolve it in this thread here.

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But none of us will say anything publicly. In my case I'm at my end to try to get what I'm owed. In my prior dealings with Steve, PM's and e-mails went unanswered. What other choice do I have.
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Uh, get that other party to help you in this matter?

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I can confirm Falk's PS, and keep in mind I'm sure there are people owed that do not go on the boards. I have had people contact me from outside the boards interested in something I've offered. With the number of years Steve has been in this business, I'm sure that list is very long.
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Possible and probably not unlikely. But at the moment it´s Steve´s membership that is at stake here. Although we do take people´s outside actions into account, we do not want to see outside issues brought to this board just to see them resolved. There is a line that needs to be drawn, unfortunately, otherwise we´d do nothing else than to solve other people´s problems.

Michael if you look back on the thread I was posting, and due to outside pressure I did not state what items were owed.
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"Outside pressure"?

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Also a lot of things are given away when people state what items are owed. Now I fully understand your position, you can't do anything beyond this board. You'll have to expect others to come forward with legit claims late in the game. Especially when they see the list is being cleared, which gives them some hope that they will received what they paid for.
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If claims are legit, then they of course need to be honored. But at this point those people have to be members of the board. If they aren´t members, then they need to find another way to resolve their issues.

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One is people who never go to the boards, so they do not know the list exists(as I previously stated).

Another are people who are owed but are afraid to speak out, because they believe they will never get a thing if they do speak out. This one is the most relevant, because I have heard many people make this statement.
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Micheal just because you clear this list will not mean you'll never see posts about this subject again. As long as Steve(or anybody else) is selling product, and takes an excessive time to deliver. The list will never be closed, ...

I´ve been around long enough as a member and as a mod that I of course do not expect to see sales issues go away in general.
But what I know is that Steve won´t make the same mistake again and take people´s money in advance and sell something he does not have. He does know that this list is very likely the last time that we will see members complain about undelivered product. We of course reserve the right to look at all claims on a case by case basis, but unacceptable waiting times of e.g. several years have to be a thing of the past.

For the moment Steve can´t sell anything in the Junkyard because of this issue.

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your only other recourse is to delete all, "I'm owed something" posts. Which will not look good to the membership, since all they are trying to do is get what they paid for.
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If members have issues, they of course can post about those issues. Nobody would ever even think about deleting such posts.

But again, those claims have to be substantial.

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If the seller in question is unresponsive, or just gives lip service, whet else can one do?
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Report it to the staff, provide valid information, and if that does not help and the member is banned, take it all and go to the authorities and see if they can help you get your money back. I´ve seen a lot of that in the last few years.

If anybody wants to discuss this issue further, then feel free to pm me, since everything that needs to be said in public has been said, and our position should be clear enough.

Now, please let´s continue this thread.


Michael
RPF staff
 
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