Okay, let me take this apart a bit.
Falk is quite correct, deals go on all of the time behind the scenes. Nearly all will never be public.
Of course not. But then people can´t expect us, the staff, or other members, to effectively help in a "deal gone bad" situation. If it´s a "he said - but he said..." situation, then what do people expect us to do, when the last thing we can do is ban a member?
Such as my circumstance. I know the details of how Steve came to owe me, and so does Steve, as well as the other party involved.
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And here we go. Complicated, off the records situation. I have no idea how this could be resolved with the help of Dave or my help. And for my tastes way too complicated to try and resolve it in this thread here.
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But none of us will say anything publicly. In my case I'm at my end to try to get what I'm owed. In my prior dealings with Steve, PM's and e-mails went unanswered. What other choice do I have.
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Uh, get that other party to help you in this matter?
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I can confirm Falk's PS, and keep in mind I'm sure there are people owed that do not go on the boards. I have had people contact me from outside the boards interested in something I've offered. With the number of years Steve has been in this business, I'm sure that list is very long.
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Possible and probably not unlikely. But at the moment it´s Steve´s membership that is at stake here. Although we do take people´s outside actions into account, we do not want to see outside issues brought to this board just to see them resolved. There is a line that needs to be drawn, unfortunately, otherwise we´d do nothing else than to solve other people´s problems.
Michael if you look back on the thread I was posting, and due to outside pressure I did not state what items were owed.
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"Outside pressure"?
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Also a lot of things are given away when people state what items are owed. Now I fully understand your position, you can't do anything beyond this board. You'll have to expect others to come forward with legit claims late in the game. Especially when they see the list is being cleared, which gives them some hope that they will received what they paid for.
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If claims are legit, then they of course need to be honored. But at this point those people have to be members of the board. If they aren´t members, then they need to find another way to resolve their issues.
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One is people who never go to the boards, so they do not know the list exists(as I previously stated).
Another are people who are owed but are afraid to speak out, because they believe they will never get a thing if they do speak out. This one is the most relevant, because I have heard many people make this statement.
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Micheal just because you clear this list will not mean you'll never see posts about this subject again. As long as Steve(or anybody else) is selling product, and takes an excessive time to deliver. The list will never be closed, ...
I´ve been around long enough as a member and as a mod that I of course do not expect to see sales issues go away in general.
But what I know is that Steve won´t make the same mistake again and take people´s money in advance and sell something he does not have. He does know that this list is very likely the last time that we will see members complain about undelivered product. We of course reserve the right to look at all claims on a case by case basis, but unacceptable waiting times of e.g. several years have to be a thing of the past.
For the moment Steve can´t sell anything in the Junkyard because of this issue.
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your only other recourse is to delete all, "I'm owed something" posts. Which will not look good to the membership, since all they are trying to do is get what they paid for.
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If members have issues, they of course can post about those issues. Nobody would ever even think about deleting such posts.
But again, those claims have to be substantial.
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If the seller in question is unresponsive, or just gives lip service, whet else can one do?
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Report it to the staff, provide valid information, and if that does not help and the member is banned, take it all and go to the authorities and see if they can help you get your money back. I´ve seen a lot of that in the last few years.
If anybody wants to discuss this issue further, then feel free to pm me, since everything that needs to be said in public has been said, and our position should be clear enough.
Now, please let´s continue this thread.
Michael
RPF staff