New Photo of Marvel's Thor, Odin, and Loki

marvel. read dc vs marvel or any dc/marvel cross over after kyle and silver surfer.

wildstorm's an alternate earth thanks to the return of the multiverse and captain atom.
 
marvel. read dc vs marvel or any dc/marvel cross over after kyle and silver surfer.

wildstorm's an alternate earth thanks to the return of the multiverse and captain atom.

ah...another retcon, gotcha.



I'm diggin the designs of the suits am looking forward to the film much more so than Green Lantern.
 
it was always marvel, the source wall was a big deal in the 90s, because it split the two company universes.

marvel isnt an alternate earth, so it would make sense that the source wall would split the two, and possibly from other comic companies.
 
I've never read any DC/Marvel crossover that mentioned it prior to GL/SS.

No. this is why you're not understanding. the source wall/bleed was before wildstorm was bought by dc and captain atom crossed over to it. other comic universes and concepts existed before the wildstorm universe.

im sure you remember a time that the characters in wildstorm were originally image characters right? like, how most of wildstorm was what was image? like the wild cats, blacklash, gen13, and various other boring characters?

read dc vs marvel, read avengers/jla. read teen titans/xmen(its first visual appearance) then we'll talk.

my mistake, kirby didnt create the source wall, its first appearance wasn in teen titans/xmen cross over in the 80s. kirby only mentioned a final barrier, which is what that pic was far above.

here's more information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Wall

this one specifically says what im talking about and specifically, that the source wall, walls up the bleed.
http://www.comicvine.com/source-wall/34-42569/

i highly suggest avengers/jla because it shows more than just dc people imprisoned in it. if you have some extra time you can also search around comicvine to find out more information.
 
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No. this is why you're not understanding. the source wall/bleed was before wildstorm was bought by dc and captain atom crossed over to it. other comic universes and concepts existed before the wildstorm universe.

im sure you remember a time that the characters in wildstorm were originally image characters right? like, how most of wildstorm was what was image? like the wild cats, blacklash, gen13, and various other boring characters?

read dc vs marvel, read avengers/jla. read teen titans/xmen(its first visual appearance) then we'll talk.

my mistake, kirby didnt create the source wall, its first appearance wasn in teen titans/xmen cross over in the 80s. kirby only mentioned a final barrier, which is what that pic was far above.

here's more information.
Source Wall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this one specifically says what im talking about and specifically, that the source wall, walls up the bleed.
Source Wall (comic book location) - Comic Vine

i highly suggest avengers/jla because it shows more than just dc people imprisoned in it. if you have some extra time you can also search around comicvine to find out more information.


I'm really sorry about the highjack everybody, but...

No. this is why you're not understanding. the source wall/bleed was before wildstorm

I haven't read that many current comics during the last 20 years...but I remember the 90's.

The Source Wall concept came out before WildStorm....yes, but the Source Wall and the Bleed were(are?) two different things.

The Bleed (which WAS introduced in the WildStorm universe) is between ALL of the Source Walls of each of the various universes in the DC Comics multiverse (IE: each "universe" has it's own "Source Wall" and "The Bleed" is what separates them all).

After the acquisition of WildStorm by DC, I'm not sure about all of the retcons that affect the current "universe", but I know what I read back then.

I know I could be wrong, but I don't see anything that could connect things in the WildStorm universe (that was previously part of Image) to anything Marvel (prior to GL/SS).

But as I said, what I read in the past led me to believe that The Bleed separates ALL off the "universes" in DC, so another publisher's universe could easily be put in there for the sake of stories (and sales).
 
No. this is why you're not understanding. the source wall/bleed was before wildstorm was bought by dc and captain atom crossed over to it.

But the in-between space wasn't called "The Bleed" until the DC/Wildstorm-published Stormwatch #7. So, no matter what retcon-ny thing you're talking about that's happened now (I haven't read superhero comics since back then, and the only reason I read Stormwatch in the first place was because one of my friends was writing it, which is how I even know this at all), Darius is still right about the Source Wall and The Bleed being two different things. Old-timers, represent! :)
 
I haven't read that many current comics during the last 20 years...but I remember the 90's.

The Source Wall concept came out before WildStorm....yes, but the Source Wall and the Bleed were(are?) two different things.

its more like peanut butter and jelly. the bleed compliments the sourcewall. thats why i said the "sourcewall/bleed."

The Bleed (which WAS introduced in the WildStorm universe) is between ALL of the Source Walls of each of the various universes in the DC Comics multiverse (IE: each "universe" has it's own "Source Wall" and "The Bleed" is what separates them all).
The Bleed (comic book location) - Comic Vine
check out its first appearance. sure there's alot of wild storm information, but how come its first appearance is justice league of america 21? a 60's comic? a comic made in the 60's depicting the justice league of earth 2? which, also leads to the future of multiverses? hmm? why would something that you say is specifically wildstorm's creation, first appear in a dc comic in the 60s?

because dc came up with it, especially when they came up with the idea of other universes. there must be something in between them keeping them separate right?

I know I could be wrong, but I don't see anything that could connect things in the WildStorm universe (that was previously part of Image) to anything Marvel (prior to GL/SS).
World War 3 (comic book story arc) - Comic Vine
lets be honest here, heroes reborn didnt happen. ever. but there's still left over proof that it may have, and there's one.
even if we play seven degrees from superman, if marvel's been to dc, and wildstorm is cannon dc, then marvel's visited wildstorm. another shining example would be gen13/spiderman, that horribly sucked.
But as I said, what I read in the past led me to believe that The Bleed separates ALL off the "universes" in DC, so another publisher's universe could easily be put in there for the sake of stories (and sales).
no. read Source Wall (comic book location) - Comic Vine

Now that the DC Universe is revealed to be 52 universes it is stated that each reality has a Source Wall separating it from the others with The Bleed in between them.
But the in-between space wasn't called "The Bleed" until the DC/Wildstorm-published Stormwatch #7. So, no matter what retcon-ny thing you're talking about that's happened now (I haven't read superhero comics since back then, and the only reason I read Stormwatch in the first place was because one of my friends was writing it, which is how I even know this at all), Darius is still right about the Source Wall and The Bleed being two different things. Old-timers, represent! :)

while he may be right they're two different things, i still maintain that there was something there before it was called "the bleed", wildstorm just named it (a main theme of the source wall was so few saw past it but there was something definitively on the other side in between what was really on the other side). just like kirby created a source wall concept, but claremont made it visual. sure, wildstorm named it, in their own books (before being purchased by dc), but its been a concpet dc's had nameless. one can assume that when dc bought wildstorm they took realtive concepts, one being named, and one not being named, and made them the same thing.





i was wrong initially to say "it seperates the bleed which is marvel." i was mistaken to think the bleed was more like a universe rather than another type wall/space/place people float around in. what i should have said "it seperates from the bleed from the marvel universe, from the dc universe."

so it doesnt "bleed" over into their respective universes.

i dont read wildstorm(because it sucks). ive never read anything outside of dc or marvel(until house of m) but i do familiarize myself with stuff that dc crosses over with.


actually if i could trouble a mod to drop this into its own thread so it doesnt hijack anymore that would be great, i really enjoy debating about dc multiverses and the things that are involved with them, its always been something that fascinates me.
 
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ZING!

im sure this is how it happened:
"hey, uh, guys at dc. how about i take your idea for whats inbetween universes, and name it the bleed? you know so other universes dont "bleed" into each other? and we can make wildstorm apart of dc using that idea!"
 
But the in-between space wasn't called "The Bleed" until the DC/Wildstorm-published Stormwatch #7. So, no matter what retcon-ny thing you're talking about that's happened now (I haven't read superhero comics since back then, and the only reason I read Stormwatch in the first place was because one of my friends was writing it, which is how I even know this at all), Darius is still right about the Source Wall and The Bleed being two different things. Old-timers, represent! :)

Thank you.:)




Anyway, to get the thread back on track...


Although I'm diggin the designs so far, I'm not feeling Loki's suit.
 
Me, I can't wait for this flick. I'm not nearly as anal about continuity and designs and whatnot as some here. I can't believe there's a THOR flick happening at all before I've died of old age, so they could fill the thing with Girl Scouts and daffodils and I'll still be pumped for it.
 
Sorry again, but I have to amend my previous statement about the Source Wall.

There is only one Source Wall, but the Bleed is what separates all of the universes from it and each other.
 
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