greatwazoo42
Master Member
Android Invasion - the return of the Manned Mars Rocket was public and televised in that serial and that was supposed to be taking place in or around 1980.
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Gotta watch it again but IIRC it all took place in that one village and the televised stuff didn't reveal anything. As far as the world was concerned they had returned successfully and it wasn't until after that it was revealed who they really were.
Easy UNIT cover up.
And even if it was that's once in about 30 years of the show. We've been back for 7 years and have had countless "everyone in the world saw it" moments.
Not saying I don't like Nu-Who. Just takes me out of it personally.
Not saying I don't like Nu-Who. Just takes me out of it personally.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
I wasn't talking about the Android Invasion itself but the Manned Mars Mission. How'd that happen and then...not happen?
They get a pass because the serial came out in 1975 but took place in the 80's. Anything you do that takes place in "the future" gets a pass from your first run audience. Later audiences just have to accept that the writers had no idea what the future held. :lol
The target audience always has to be your first run guys.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
I don't know about that but it's all personal taste really.
Think of it like BTTF2.
Clearly there will be no flying cars & hoverboards in 2015. However it all seemed perfectly fine when we saw it in the late 80's because it hadn't happened yet. Got a pass. NOW when you watch it you just have to accept that was the future view of the writers.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Didn't BTTF get referenced in the new series at some point?
I don't recall it if it did. Maybe in passing.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
I think it was a 10th Doc ep. Maybe...hang on...Go Go Gadget Google...
Back to the Future - TARDIS Index File, the Doctor Who Wiki
The first Back to the Future film was mentioned by the Tenth Doctor to help explain the mechanics of time travel to companion Martha Jones. Martha didn't see any threat from the Carrionites because she knew that the world didn't end in 1599. However the Tenth Doctor referenced this movie when he told her about how Marty McFly, after he travelled back in time, did something that almost erased him from existence in the present. (TV: The Shakespeare Code)
Yup, there we go.
Back to the Future - TARDIS Index File, the Doctor Who Wiki
The first Back to the Future film was mentioned by the Tenth Doctor to help explain the mechanics of time travel to companion Martha Jones. Martha didn't see any threat from the Carrionites because she knew that the world didn't end in 1599. However the Tenth Doctor referenced this movie when he told her about how Marty McFly, after he travelled back in time, did something that almost erased him from existence in the present. (TV: The Shakespeare Code)
Yup, there we go.
Now I remember!
TheDoctor
Sr Member
I would agree. I think there's plenty of examples in the old series that aren't as easily explained away as Orange_Blend thinks, but it's all a matter of how easy it is for YOU to explain it away to yourself. For me, if stuff like that happened they wouldn't be able to cover it up (even if it was a combined UNIT / Torchwood / Dharma / etc. coverup).
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Yup. See I like the "time as a river" metaphor where it generally flows in one direction but there are eddies, currents, pools, tributaries, etc., all with their own details which differ from the main flow. There is also the cover up, the "swimming off the coast of someplace else on vacation" and also the "yeah, the gov't wasn't too happy with us last time we had to put a few gallons of Retcon in the national water supply."
It's not "how easy would it be" but rather COMPARATIVELY how easy it would be.
Name one time in the classic series where something in the current time was as big as Big Ben being destroyed, or A giant star in the sky over London wreaking havoc, or the Titanic plunging towards Buckingham Palace (which, they accepted what they had done and actually had people evacuating London), or everyone in the world with a certain blood type being controlled by aliens, or Cybermen appearing all over the world in an open invasion, or A giant Cybermachine marching through Victorian London like Godzilla, or...
You get my drift.
I understand the whole thing about ebbs & flows and the eddies, currents, pools, tributaries, etc. But the new series is full of oceans man!
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Terror of the Zygons - Nessie's London Rampage.
A lake for sure. At least they actually mention that they're going to cover it up in the serial as opposed to "everyone turned into the Master for a couple hours, that's cool".
Lake, not an ocean.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Last I checked the Thames is a river, not a lake:
Terror of the Zygons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Duke places the signal device in the basement of Stanbridge House. The Doctor finds Broton, back in his true form, and is attacked by him. The Brigadier shoot Broton dead. The Doctor finds the signal device in his pocket and feeds it to the Skarasen as it rises out of the Thames. The beast sinks back into the river and heads back to Loch Ness, the only home it has ever known.
Terror of the Zygons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Duke places the signal device in the basement of Stanbridge House. The Doctor finds Broton, back in his true form, and is attacked by him. The Brigadier shoot Broton dead. The Doctor finds the signal device in his pocket and feeds it to the Skarasen as it rises out of the Thames. The beast sinks back into the river and heads back to Loch Ness, the only home it has ever known.
I know, I was referring to our metaphor of the size of infraction. This is a lake, Cybermen invading worldwide is an ocean.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
OH! Yeah, there's that. Sorta...ish.
TheDoctor
Sr Member
I understand your point in that the new series things are bigger, and I agree, but my point is that events that happen in the old series would still have impacted the entire world - yet they just don't address it. It's not a cover-up, it's just that they just don't address that what has happened in the episode is a fundamental shift for humanity.
The old series events, some small, others larger, would still have gotten press and shifted our vision of the universe (be it Dinosaurs, Nessie, Daleks, Cybermen, etc.). It would have made the papers, and it would have been reported - it's just that the TV series itself (not the characters, but the writers) just sweep it under the rug without addressing it.
In the new series, big events happen and they need to address it. I would even hazard to say they have bigger events BECAUSE they want to address it (in some manor or other).
Yes, old series events are smaller in comparison, but they're no less world-shifting - it just that, in the old series there was an automatic retcon that takes place at the end of the episode. As far as the writers are concerned, The Doctor lands, takes care of business, and he's off - no further explanation necessary. The new series, as a matter of narrative, decides to address the consequences of his visit (though, not throughly or with any respect to continuity or story satisfaction).
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