New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*
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phez
Sr Member
I thought it was a really episode. The Doctor seem a little less jump around and act crazy that he in most episodes.
They had a marathon of a few seasons on BBC America so I was watching through all of the episodes again and I noticed something weird. At the end of "a good man goes to war" when they are talking about the baby crib, Amy asks the Doctor if he ever had any kids and he answers no. Now how could the first Doctor be travailing with his granddaughter if he never had any kids :confused.
You could be right, they reused Eve Myles, Gareth David-Lloyd, and Naoko Mori in Torchwood without really worrying about the WTF happened here factor :lol. I will be a bit disappointed if that is the route they go.
They had a marathon of a few seasons on BBC America so I was watching through all of the episodes again and I noticed something weird. At the end of "a good man goes to war" when they are talking about the baby crib, Amy asks the Doctor if he ever had any kids and he answers no. Now how could the first Doctor be travailing with his granddaughter if he never had any kids :confused.
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cboath
Master Member
Would seem like a difficult thing to over come unless they want to try and get people to by the line that she just called him grandfather so as not to raise the suspicions of the people of 1963...
There's also the episode, "the Doctor's Daughter" as well. It's not really a daughter he had, but still.
There's also the episode, "the Doctor's Daughter" as well. It's not really a daughter he had, but still.
The_Mike
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I liked the episode but it felt like it should have been a 2 parter. I feel like they could have really done a lot with the Asylum aspect and the insane Daleks. Loved the idea of Dalek puppets and like the dynamic that we have an actual "Good" Dalek in Oswin, not to mention a definitive female Dalek. It was nice to see the older Daleks but I needed an explanation personally, after the paradigm didn't they say that the older Daleks were inferior and destroy the Ironsides because they were true Daleks? Why all of a sudden are there millions of the older especially since there were multiples of the Paradigm (except the white, saw only one of him)?
I read on some sites that Clara's name is actually Clara Oswin so I would imagine that not only will we see something connecting to this episode for the introduction of Clara, she could always just make up a name if somehow it's the same character, but I would imagine we're in for a Daleky kind of finale.
I read on some sites that Clara's name is actually Clara Oswin so I would imagine that not only will we see something connecting to this episode for the introduction of Clara, she could always just make up a name if somehow it's the same character, but I would imagine we're in for a Daleky kind of finale.
Rotwang
Sr Member
It was pretty good. My guess is that the new companion will be a relative or a rescued/restored version.
Doctor Who is about 1/3rd brilliant, 1/3rd goofy fun and 1/3rd hold on, that doesn't quite add up ...
There are still some dangling plot lines that haven't bee resolved so far. The doctor's daughter hasn't show up again (pity),
Doctor Who is about 1/3rd brilliant, 1/3rd goofy fun and 1/3rd hold on, that doesn't quite add up ...
There are still some dangling plot lines that haven't bee resolved so far. The doctor's daughter hasn't show up again (pity),
phez
Sr Member
On that line, back during the whole "Bad Wolf" run weren't the Dalaks driven insane by the fact that they had used humans to make Daleks. Why would they make Oswin into a Dalek :confused, because they are insane Daleks :confused. Are these Daleks what is left of that bunch from Season 1?
B-Movie Zombie
Sr Member
There was no Daleks left from season 1. "Bad Wolf" / Rose destroyed them all at the end of season 1.
Straker
Sr Member
Unless of course while the Dalek Emperor was making those new Daleks some of them turned out nuts or more nuts than the ones he kept with him and he dropped them into the Asylum. Rose only destroyed all the Daleks that were there attacking Earth as far as you know.
Still, the Daleks in the Parliament had to be pre-Time War Daleks not created by the Dalek Emperor and therefore free of human DNA in order for the Paridigm Daleks to be hanging out with them so the question is, when did they come from?
This is the sort of thing that has been bugging me with Moffat's run. Happened to the Cybermen too. Suddenly the Cybusmen are out of the void and have serious technology and space travel to rival that of the classic Cybermen and...how? Wanna fill us in as to how they did that Steve? You have a time travel show, go back in time and show us how the Cybermen from the parallel Earth got so advanced. XD Fill us in on where these other Daleks in the Dalek Parliament came from!
JBReplicas
Master Member
It was pretty good, a small gripe is when the 'worst' of the insane daleks were shown, they were all the same, 2005 model, when there should have been some classic daleks in there? I can't say I'll be sad to see Amy go, JLC looks like she could potentially be very good
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jazzygeoffery
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I liked the new episode a lot, but it's only the first of the new season and there's plot holes every where!
I was glad to see the 2005 Daleks return, but I'd like an explanation for why they still exist, let alone why they're in parliament. As for Jenna Louise Coleman, I have two theories; 1: The universe is reset to avoid the paradox of the Doctor saving Oswin and the Daleks Remember the Doctor, or Two Oswin was a twin, or clone (Ganger even?) and the Doctor finds her counterpart.
I was glad to see the 2005 Daleks return, but I'd like an explanation for why they still exist, let alone why they're in parliament. As for Jenna Louise Coleman, I have two theories; 1: The universe is reset to avoid the paradox of the Doctor saving Oswin and the Daleks Remember the Doctor, or Two Oswin was a twin, or clone (Ganger even?) and the Doctor finds her counterpart.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Actually I think the Moffat-era Cybermen are supposed to be Mondas Cybermen. They didn't have time to modify the costumes for 'Pandorica,' but in 'A Good Man' and 'Closing Time' the chestplate Cybus logo has been replaced with a new logo.
To Cody's point, I'd have liked to see older style Daleks more in the Ayslum. I'd expect that most of the pre-Davies ones weren't useable for action scenes for whatever reason, either not mechanically up to it or not allowed to be modified into the dusty damaged crazy Daleks.
Straker
Sr Member
Oh, I know about the chest logo. I just don't see that that signifies that they were Mondasian Cybermen at all. It just means the Cybermen got tired of being called Cybusmen. But even if we assume they are Mondasian Cybermen...then why did the Mondasian Cybermen alter their appearance to look like the parallel Earth Cybermen? Last chronological appearance of the Cybermen in the classic series based on the in show time line description of their history was "Revenge of the Cybermen" and in that they were pretty much beat. How did emulating an inferior version of themselves from a parallel dimension bring them to such a high technological point again?
None of which they seem to be willing to answer.
B-Movie Zombie
Sr Member
The Daleks that New Paradigm Daleks destroyed in "Victory of the Daleks" where not pure Daleks, remember those where created by Davros in "The Stolen Earth / Journey's End" form Davros himself. Those "Ironside" Daleks are the same ones that some how manger to escape being destroyed by the Half Time-Lord / Half Human Doctor.
My question is then, Where has all the "Pure" Daleks been this entire time? If you think about it, the only time we have seen a pure Dalek is in Season / series 1(or 27 for the purist) eposide, called "Dalek". All the other times they have been made out of humans or Davros. up until "Victory of the Daleks".
How do we know that the parallel design was inferior?
My question is then, Where has all the "Pure" Daleks been this entire time? If you think about it, the only time we have seen a pure Dalek is in Season / series 1(or 27 for the purist) eposide, called "Dalek". All the other times they have been made out of humans or Davros. up until "Victory of the Daleks".
Oh, I know about the chest logo. I just don't see that that signifies that they were Mondasian Cybermen at all. It just means the Cybermen got tired of being called Cybusmen. But even if we assume they are Mondasian Cybermen...then why did the Mondasian Cybermen alter their appearance to look like the parallel Earth Cybermen? Last chronological appearance of the Cybermen in the classic series based on the in show time line description of their history was "Revenge of the Cybermen" and in that they were pretty much beat. How did emulating an inferior version of themselves from a parallel dimension bring them to such a high technological point again?
None of which they seem to be willing to answer.
How do we know that the parallel design was inferior?
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
It's a show about time-travel, things change. When in doubt, blame it on the Time War.
The real-world explanation of course being that it's cheaper to just modify the old Cybusmen costumes into Mondas Cybermen than to make all new costumes.
The real-world explanation of course being that it's cheaper to just modify the old Cybusmen costumes into Mondas Cybermen than to make all new costumes.
B-Movie Zombie
Sr Member
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Not counting Daleks made from Davros as pure Daleks? I'm not as versed on classic Who but I thought the implication was that they were.
Straker
Sr Member
Exactly! According to the established time line they shouldn't exist unless they came from before the Time War so where have they been?
Well let's see, the visual evidence to the cyberconversions weapons and abilities of the Cybusmen are nothing compared to the interstellar travel capabilities of the classic cybermen OR the Cybermen from A Good Man Goes To War OR even the ones buried for SO many hundreds if not thousands of years in Closing Time. The original Cybusconversion alone is WAY different to what we see the space travelling capable versions now. Where is the logical step between them? It's a HUGE leap from just a few decades advanced in 2006 and what they were doing when we see them in A Good Man Goes To War. How did the remaining Cybusmen get out of the void if it's them? If it's the Mondasian Cybermen, why did they make themselves look like the other Cybermen?
Of course that real world explanation is correct XD but if you're going to do something in show at least explain it. They did a whole episode devoted to the new Dalek design. How much worse would it have been if the Paradigm Daleks just appeared and everyone just acted like that was what they ALWAYS looked like? I'm just looking for a little consistency is all.
B-Movie Zombie
Sr Member
Me, too. I always that Davros genetically modified them.
and Straker you do make some really good points on the whole Cyberman side of things.
Straker
Sr Member
Look, best guess/explanation is that the Cybermen and Daleks got out of the void. The Daleks formed a new Parliament and the Cybermen joined with the Mondasian Cybermen as the Void Daleks joined with the Paradigm Daleks forming new factions. Hell, you could do an episode about the Paradigm Daleks doing JUST THAT, breaking the Daleks out of the void and also helping the Cybusmen escape in the process. See? It's easy. Get on it Moffat!
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