New big-screen Star Wars Rey movie announced at SW Celebration 2023

[Paul Andrew]

From my experience. I didn't realize how much of a consumer I had become, until I stepped away back frkm it. It was almost a little scary. I realized, that I had been blinded by my nostalgia for the brand. I also came to realize that they are really good at manipulating our emotions as fans. They weaponize our nostalgia.

 

[batguy]

"following the herd"

"herd mentality"

"standing out from the herd"

"sheeple"

"cattle call"

"fresh crop of recruits"

"the place was a zoo"

Animal metaphors are generally common when talking about big groups of people. Sometimes it's meant in a derogatory tone but not always.

 

[VanPersie]

To me not watching BoBF is like is like watching 'Star Wars' and then going straight to 'Return of the Jedi'. "Why is Han in a block of ice?" "Why does Luke have a robot hand?" "Darth Vader is Luke's father? When did that happen?"

Difference is that the OT trilogy are connected in and of themselves. So anybody missing the second episode of the series could well be in the full knowledge that they'll miss something.

All of that sort of proves some people's point that unless you actively watch everything, including stuff you don't like/want to, then you might miss out on info about the show you do like. Sounds close to being held to ransom in a very loose use of the phrase.

 

[el toro]

There is a huge difference between what the holiday special was and the garbage were being served with what's become Disney star wars. The holiday special had a series of unfortunate events that lead to what it became. Disney star wars on the other hand is a controlled environment with time and effort involved. If you want an interesting watch, there are some YouTube videos out there that uncover and explain the holiday special production. Basically someone backed over those involved with a van and bystanders took up the helm. Actually, that's a decent analogy all around.

And if you enjoy the content that's great. What's considered the modern entertainment consumer seems to fall on two sides of the spectrum, those that eat up what they are fed and those that want to know what they are being fed. If disney could understand this, they would create content for both individually. Draw the line between a kids show and a show for an adult. Yet we're at a stalemate with those in charge of the feeding troff. The consumer has no say in what's being served. But they do have the option to not consume it.

 

[joberg]

Grogu and Mando being reunited is pretty crucial information. S2 ended with them parting ways. If S3 starts with them together and you didn't watch BOBF it would be pretty jolting, no?

Crossovers are one thing but missing vital information is one of the many issues that plagued the ST and it seems it was kind of necessary to include their reunion.

Idk. I don't watch these shows but that makes more sense to me.

Those crossovers are one way to attract the viewers (and numbers, of course) to the different series...Oh, wait a minute; to know what's going on with Din & Grogu, you'll have to watch TBOBF Yeah, but that series sucks big time and I'm just going to fast forward it until I see Grogu and take it from there. In the mean time, my viewing the series on fast forward is adding it to the total tally. Sneaky to say the least

 

[el toro]

Fair enough, no worries at all.

Of course, I wouldn't want you to backtrack on it, as personally I agree that there are a minority that even get on my wick who still crack on with, in my opinion, daft name calling of people like Rian etc.

It's getting late for me where I am, so perhaps I did not read your comment and pick up your meaning/intention as well as I may have done with fresh eyes/mind. I apologise for that too.

Wow. I just went a round with someone I consider to be irrationally obnoxious in another thread, so the resolution between you and usagi pilgrim is genuinely refreshing to see.

 

[jkno]

Script prediction:
Rey accidentally opens up a force doorway and lets in a multiverse of Sith. Her daddy and all the Sith from all the multiverse (including the animated ones) must be stopped by all the Jedi from the multiverse. At the end Tony Stark dies.

This is a better script than 90% of the Disney Star Wars we got so far. Add some frickin sharks with lasers on their heads and it gets up to 95%

 

[batguy]

To me not watching BoBF is like is like watching 'Star Wars' and then going straight to 'Return of the Jedi'. "Why is Han in a block of ice?" "Why does Luke have a robot hand?" "Darth Vader is Luke's father? When did that happen?"

Difference is that the OT trilogy are connected in and of themselves. So anybody missing the second episode of the series could well be in the full knowledge that they'll miss something.

All of that sort of proves some people's point that unless you actively watch everything, including stuff you don't like/want to, then you might miss out on info about the show you do like. Sounds close to being held to ransom in a very loose use of the phrase.

Long-form storytelling vs short-form episodic. They each have pros & cons.

We traditionally think of a 'short' story as a 30-60 minute TV episode that is self-contained. But in the modern era of multi-season TV show storylines, and theatrical movies getting many sequels . . . a standalone 2-hour movie is closer to the short-form episode category.


Things tend to have an ideal length. You can make a 2-hour movie of 'Beavis & Butthead' but I'm still probably gonna watch it for 10 minutes at a time. Same with 'Family Guy'. On the other hand shows like 'Game of Thrones' absolutely NEED dozens of hours of run-time to tell the story.

 

[Psab keel]

Those crossovers are one way to attract the viewers (and numbers, of course) to the different series...Oh, wait a minute; to know what's going on with Din & Grogu, you'll have to watch TBOBF Yeah, but that series sucks big time and I'm just going to fast forward it until I see Grogu and take it from there. In the mean time, my viewing the series on fast forward is adding it to the total tally. Sneaky to say the least

I only watched Mandalorian after being hounded by well meaning friends and what little story potential they had was squandered by Season 2 and I stopped watching. I honestly don't care at all what happens with those characters.

I've mostly tried to avoid getting involved in the discussions regarding this franchise because I know where I stand and I don't have much positive to say that I haven't said ad nauseum. The announcements coming from Celebration and the new Indy 5 trailer just caught me off guard and I caved to my weaker nature.

When you've been following a series as long as we have there's bound to be moments where you react emotionally, even if you've mostly come to terms with the state of things. I have no interest in getting bogged down with the pointless debates that sucked up so much of my time the last few years.

 

[edge10]

This is a better script than 90% of the Disney Star Wars we got so far. Add some frickin sharks with lasers on their heads and it gets up to 95%

 

[jkno]

 

[Captain Dunsel]

What Luke Skywalker's STAR WARS Failures Can Teach Rey About Rebuilding the Jedi Order

 

[Psab keel]

But Lucasfilm won't learn from their's....

 

[HeartBlade]

What Luke Skywalker's STAR WARS Failures Can Teach Rey About Rebuilding the Jedi Order

Wow, generic points on how Rey can “succeed” (which she cant because she never even saw Luke’s order in action so how can she even know what he did right or wrong?).

So accept but dont be beholden to the past, get more teachers, and dont fear failure? Not a good guide for telling Rey what not to do and what she needs to do.

And you can see they messed up Luke in his backstory. The whole point of RotJ is that Luke finds a third way, redeeming Vader through love and showing that the dogmatic no relationship doctrine of the previous order was not necessary. In the comics, the New Order jedi are allowed to have families and marry snd even Luke himself marries Mara and has a son. This new Disney Luke acts more like Obi Wan trying to bring back the order he knew rather than Luke.

Such a shame. Instead of Rey and Kylo, we could have had Jaina and Jacen.

 

[blewis17]

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I love the Driver was able to poke fun at himself (and Kylo) in his two SNL:SW skits. Although, for my money, I though his Medieval Times skit was the best!

 

[Psab keel]

Those were hysterical! The Medieval Times skit is classic. His delivery gets me every time. "Whore!"

 

[joberg]

Wow, generic points on how Rey can “succeed” (which she cant because she never even saw Luke’s order in action so how can she even know what he did right or wrong?).

So accept but dont be beholden to the past, get more teachers, and dont fear failure? Not a good guide for telling Rey what not to do and what she needs to do.

And you can see they messed up Luke in his backstory. The whole point of RotJ is that Luke finds a third way, redeeming Vader through love and showing that the dogmatic no relationship doctrine of the previous order was not necessary. In the comics, the New Order jedi are allowed to have families and marry snd even Luke himself marries Mara and has a son. This new Disney Luke acts more like Obi Wan trying to bring back the order he knew rather than Luke.

Such a shame. Instead of Rey and Kylo, we could have had Jaina and Jacen.

Yes, nailed it with the hammer head...then again; this is the woke way of doing things nowadays Forget History or, at least choose and pick what you like in History I think that the "New Jedi Order" is going to look like a bunch of Kumbaya-hug-a-tree-people!!

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

I've always enjoyed Hello Greedo's videos because he very much has a 'enjoy if you like it, don't if you don't' attitude about Star Wars. I agree with a lot of his views expressed in this short video.

 

[pengbuzz]

Wow, generic points on how Rey can “succeed” (which she cant because she never even saw Luke’s order in action so how can she even know what he did right or wrong?).

So accept but dont be beholden to the past, get more teachers, and dont fear failure? Not a good guide for telling Rey what not to do and what she needs to do.

And you can see they messed up Luke in his backstory. The whole point of RotJ is that Luke finds a third way, redeeming Vader through love and showing that the dogmatic no relationship doctrine of the previous order was not necessary. In the comics, the New Order jedi are allowed to have families and marry snd even Luke himself marries Mara and has a son. This new Disney Luke acts more like Obi Wan trying to bring back the order he knew rather than Luke.

Such a shame. Instead of Rey and Kylo, we could have had Jaina and Jacen.

Agreed; in fact, I think the entire point about "no relationships" was that if they hadn't of done that to Anakin, Darth Vader may never have come about. And for my money: the extended universe was far more rich and compelling than what we ended up with instead. It's how we got Thrawn, Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Admiral Dala, Xizor, Dash Rendar, and a bunch more of stellar characters who easily beat the pants off of the sequel trilogy randos.

 

[VanPersie]

Yes, nailed it with the hammer head...then again; this is the woke way of doing things nowadays Forget History or, at least choose and pick what you like in History I think that the "New Jedi Order" is going to look like a bunch of Kumbaya-hug-a-tree-people!!

Without drifting the topic too long, I disagree about the history. History has always been skewed by how people want it presented, with conveniently forgotten aspects etc.

If possible for you to watch if you are interested, Lucy Worsely has some excellent programmes on the BBC (may be on YouTube too), usually called something along the lines of "British Histories Biggest Fibs"