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NO WAY! Did not notice that cameo! Good find!
Hahaha, thanks! Though I only found it because I was scrutinizing everyone's faces for purely selfish reasons.
There's no way to say this without sounding like a braggart butthead, but I worked on Arrested Development as well and was looking around to see if I showed up anywhere. Was a great little surprise to see Dan Harmon pop up.

As penance for my vanity and the off-topic sentences discussing it, here's some wonderful videos of Dan Harmon playing Dr. Pat Isakson in Greendale's promotional online videos. Trust me, the end is worth it if you watch all the way through. The man is a genius.
 
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Yea, I saw those original comments. Those were probably VERY hurtful to the Community writers, not just the fans, and those would have been people Dan would have worked with. Not cool on a lot of levels. :(
 
Yea, I saw those original comments. Those were probably VERY hurtful to the Community writers, not just the fans, and those would have been people Dan would have worked with. Not cool on a lot of levels. :(
You can listen to the podcast itself here. All the comments people are reporting on are tossed out in the first couple minutes, and not in an intentionally vindictive way. I think they were callous, sure, but I think they sound much worse taken out of context than the way they were actually presented:
60 - Us Of The Dangling Wee-Wee from Harmontown on podbay: open podcasting
 
Here's Dan's blog post on the matter.

It Won’t Happen Again Again

My apolotweets might not have fit the scale of the crime for some, so I’m following them up with one of my patented apoloblogs. I want to clarify, I’m apoloblogging in an effort to counteract pain I caused other people. Not because I think what I have to say is important - this is one of those days when I’m definitely fantasizing about getting less attention. And less money, and less oxygen, and, like, getting run over by a bus and stuff. But while I accidentally have your attention, I want to use it to say things I would have and should have said instead of what I did say.

On Sunday night, during my award winning Harmontown podcast (*), which is available for free and, for those interested, is a joyfully overflowing source of opportunities to dislike me, I vented some spleen about the allegedly traumatizing experience of binge-watching a season of TV I didn’t get to control (cue microscopic violin). Laughs were had, I felt better, I cried about my Dad, we played Dungeons and Dragons - it’s a great podcast. It’s not as good as “This Feels Terrible with Erin McGathy” or “The Duncan Trussell Family Hour” but it’s pretty okay if you’re, say, a 25 year old aspiring narcissist whose drive to work is two hours long and thinks stammering is hot.

I went to bed feeling great, woke up and started work on season five of Community with our exciting season five staff. I took them to lunch, checked my tweets, discovered my name in several headlines next to several bad words, and, as usual, it was then that I started to consider how my words might affect other people if viewed as headlines. After five seconds of thinking, I realized, as usual, that other people might be hurt, and that I really need to do this whole “saying things and thinking about other people” cycle in a different order at some point. I think it would make my podcast shorter but I think there’s a lot of listeners that would consider that an upgrade, too.

Here’s a list of people of whom I failed to think in that moment, and the sincerely owed apologies to them.

I am first and foremost sorry to Community fans that got paid nothing to stick by Community and get us to a fifth season only to hear the incoming showrunner say some stuff that felt very un-Community. Even if my goal had been to hurt someone, it would never have been you. What I said was disrespectful to your love for this show, love that I sometimes erroneously equate with validation of me as a person. I am unwittingly and unfortunately infamous for the amount I care about your opinion. I often say that I write in an attempt to “make people like me.” I’m realizing what makes me unlikable is that I haven’t made the leap from “caring what people think about me” to “caring about people.” And let’s face it, if I’m doing this at 40 how cool am I going to get before I die. But I do know, every minute of every day, that I owe you folks what I consider to be my life and guarantee you that every time I’ve pissed you off it’s been on accident. And to keep from hurting you, I’m going to try thinking about you before saying things into microphones. I’m usually okay at it when I’m talking to actual press, because there’s a big visual reminder in the form of a cube on a mic or monkey in a diaper on the table. But when you’re listening to Harmontown, or, worse yet, reading transcripts from Harmontown, you’re catching me in unforgivably human moments. Obviously the solution is to stop talking about my job in my podcast until production is safely complete. That will protect the show you love, and your love of it, from the creator with the Mouth from PR Hell. I will do this. But more importantly, I am sorry.

Next I want to apologize to the people that did get paid to work on that season, but not enough: the cast and crew. I get personal value out of being as honest as possible, but, honestly, how honest was what I said? It was dishonest to imply that something you worked on was as hard to watch as my family being assaulted. I was riffing and tried to turn darkness into levity through shock and hyperbole. I was very much not thinking about anyone but myself while watching that season, which was the crime. I hope over time you’ll forgive me. I wasn’t thinking about your contribution or describing it. I was just indulging my petty feelings about being left out. It seemed kind of funny at the time because it seemed at the time like I was the only person with feelings. Because my head was up my ass. Again, it’s been up there 40 years so it would be dishonest to promise it’s coming out, but what I can promise is that I’ll stop talking about the show without thinking of you. You second, fans first. I think that’s how you’d want it.

Thirdly, because they got paid more, but still not enough, the season 4 writers. I’m sorry I pooped on your work. You had to do something nobody should have to attempt, and you had the option of doing it the lazy way or the sellout way and you clearly did what you did because you were thinking of the fans. There was some amazing stuff in there. Funny jokes. I liked the “Hogan’s Villains” line. The idea that in Germany, people watch Hogan’s Heroes, but they call it Hogan’s Villains, is seriously so funny I had to rewind it a couple times to finish laughing. I will apologize to the Germans later. Season 4 writers: Thank you and I’m sorry. As I went on to say in my podcast, the creatives are not the bad guys…I shouldn’t be letting an inhuman system that doesn’t care about humans enough turn humans against humans. Especially us. Don’t tell anyone I said this but all writers are better people than all non-writers. Nobody read that unless you’re a writer. I broke a code when I judged the work of writers with whom I wasn’t in the same trenches. I’ll suffer for it because I’ll be looking for a job soon enough and nobody will want to work with Judgy McPsycho Van Crieswhenhetypes. So I hope my ten seconds of, as the kids say, “butthurt” comedy was worth it to me, and I’ll see you in Hell, where, don’t tell anybody I said this but is where I believe all writers go because we make God jealous.

Almost lastly, I have to address this “rape joke” concept. I have to address it because it looks like if I don’t say anything, it could send the wrong message to people with an understandable passion for the subject. This is a subject that is, and should be, insanely volatile and provocative, because it combines the words “rape” and “joke.” It puts them right next to each other, it’s like putting a running chainsaw next to a puppy, it’s just not something you can walk past without getting disturbed and invested. Does anyone think rape is funny? I hope not. Do we become more progressive culturally through the mitigation of inappropriate language? I don’t know, it’s sure worth continued discussion, if you feel strongly one way or the other you should come up on stage at the next Harmontown. In the mean time, I am deeply sorry to anyone I hurt by using the word “rape” in a comedic context. I am sorry to anyone I hurt by conjuring the concept of rape in a metaphor about my stupid hurt feelings. As you saw above, unless you skimmed this blog entry for the word “rape,” I was not thinking about the impact of my words on the people that love Community and work on it. So I hope you can believe me when I tell you I was definitely not thinking about the impact of that word on people that are currently seeking to get it out of comedic contexts. I’m very sorry to have hurt and frustrated you and I will definitely be swayed from the use of that word in comedic contexts because I don’t like hurting people and as an added bonus, I don’t like getting yelled at on Twitter. Especially when the people yelling have phrases like “rape joke” on their side. It’s kind of hard to think of oneself as being “pro rape joke.” Don’t want to be that guy. Done and done.

Oh, on the politically correct side, I just remembered something else. I think when I did my impression of Season 4’s impression of me, I said “durpy durpy dur, I’m Dan Harmon,” which I think I saw someone point out is language used to dehumanize the developmentally disabled, and that’s not cool, I shouldn’t have done that.

Okay, wow, that was a lot of apologizing. That was not a short blog post. Because that’s how sorry I am. Also I love talking about myself, but, trust me, this has been more pain than pleasure for the guy that made you feel bad. Now I’m going to get back to conceptualizing with the writers about season 5 and, I hope, achieve a heightened level of actual empathy in the bargain.

Love,

A Remorseful Friend

(*) Harmontown is currently award-free but I don’t want to have to edit this post later.
 
Frankly, I could care less what anyone involved in the show says or does. If I want drama, I'll watch the cstuff my wife loves to watch.
All I care about is that the show is coming back next year and apparently with the right people in place.
Anyone have a clue when they'll start filming (assuming they haven't started already)?
Lunaman, will you be working toward being a "Greendale student" again this coming season?
 
Anyone have a clue when they'll start filming (assuming they haven't started already)?
Not for a little while--they are currently writing season 5, however. Donald's filming a feature for a couple months, Danny Pudi and Gillian Jacobs are in Las Vegas at the moment. Joel's in town filming The Soup like always.
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Lunaman, will you be working toward being a "Greendale student" again this coming season?
I would like nothing better, here's hoping!
I'm with a different talent listing service now than when I was booked on the show the first time, so I can't be sure, but I would LOVE to. I have my fingers crossed.
 
Does anyone know of any good-quality digital files for the Greendale logos?

I've been watching my DVDs again, just got season 1 done. It still holds up well even after you've seen it a couple of times, I think because the show was so different each episode.
One thing I hope the NBC store will sell someday is the grey zippered hoodie with the 'old' Greendale logo on the chest, worn by Dean Pelton in a few episodes. I bought the blue Greendale shirt from the NBC store, but when i wear it, nobody recognizes it and they think I must be a teacher at a community college somewhere: Community I'm A Human Being T-Shirt | The Official NBC Store
 
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Been watching some random episodes on DVD (so nice to have season 4 now) and I got to wondering what the deal was with the "It's all downhill from here" hoodie that Jeff gets tossed in one episode? I don't get it, but I wish NBC would make copies to sell, though....
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/_...m/images/2/2c/It's_all_downhill_from_here.png
I wore my Greendale shirt the other day and got several good comments in public. Lots of Community fans out there!
 
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Community: Any idea when season five will air?

I searched a long time for the thread(s) on NBCs 'Community' and found nothing...
I can't any references to season five airing at all, wikipedia says it's another short season this year.
Any news?
 
Thanks, that makes sense. Gonna be tough waiting for my Greendale fix.

Odd, I couldn't find this thread no matter how many searches I made, thanks to whatever mod connected my post to this!
 
You're welcome. Having quote marks in forum thread titles usually throws off search results as the thread will show up only if the keyword is typed along with quotes attached to the word (Eg: 'Community').

Hence I edited the thread title and removed the quotes, so searching just with Community will bring up the thread anymore.

I am really curious how Glover's exit will affect the show. He is one of my favourites of the bunch.
 
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