MR TOS Enterprise - new pics

I tried to show the key spots in my ship. I freely admit that it isn't perfect. However, it is very close and better than some of the troubles on some I have seen. I will tell you, no one is going to pull a model that's as complex as this piece is out of the MR box and find it 100% perfect. So it is a personal decision on how much you can live with. Now I'm pretty picky on these things so I don't think I'm being overly generous in my evaluation. But I really want this ship in my collection and I feel the one I got lucky with might be about as good as it gets - right now at least. So I'm still quite happy with it. :)
 
I can understand some of the gaping around the engine pylons. The nacelles are very long and the pylons very thin. What I don't get at all is why is the impulse deck so poorly mated to the back of the primary hull?. I mean that should be an easy part to sit flush, no?
 
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I really want this ship in my collection and I feel the one I got lucky with might be about as good as it gets - right now at least. So I'm still quite happy with it. :)[/b]

Glad to see that at least some of these are shipping in great shape. I'd really love to get one, but with 3 small children and no "safe" place to keep it, I will have to wait a few more years. My MR AT-AT and Snowspeeder have acrylic covers to keep the little fingers away :)
 
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I can understand some of the gaping around the engine pylons. The nacelles are very long and the pylons very thin. What I don't get at all is why is the impulse deck so poorly mated to the back of the primary hull?. I mean that should be an easy part to sit flush, no?
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My fear is that if they were filled they would eventually crack from the flexing of the pylons. I'd rather have a small gap. They don't have much flex to them and are far more rigid than I had thought they could be.

The impulse deck shoulda been better fitted.
 
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The Falcon was the easiest/cheapest to develop.
Or they put more into the Falcon, it would have the greater return. The Enterprise was second but more costly to develop(it is more complex a model then the Falcon, electronics and all)[/b]

Quite the opposite.

Electronics, once designed, can be cranked out by robots for pennies.

The number of parts that require tooling and manual assembly is where it gets ya. The Falcon is far more complex than the E in that regard.
 
I received my LE yesterday as well and I concur with 'rad1701'...

VERY minor flaws...but it does sound as though my ship faired a llittle better out of the factory. No chips in the paint and very little gap problems...all in all I would give it a 9 out of 10 and worth every cent. :thumbsup

My plaque sez '0016 out of 1250'.

I would offer a bit of advice for those receiving their ships living in the (currently) more arctic region of our country. If the DHL driver did not have a heated cargo area in his truck...wait awhile after delivery of your package before firing up the lights on your ship.

Plugging it in too soon could cause moisture to be drawn to the interior green boards and possibly short a connection so wait until the model reaches room temp before hitting the switch...

Looking forward to future MR releases... B)


LL&P
 
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The Falcon was the easiest/cheapest to develop.
Or they put more into the Falcon, it would have the greater return. The Enterprise was second but more costly to develop(it is more complex a model then the Falcon, electronics and all)[/b]

Quite the opposite.

Electronics, once designed, can be cranked out by robots for pennies.

The number of parts that require tooling and manual assembly is where it gets ya. The Falcon is far more complex than the E in that regard.
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Barry mentioned the same thing long ago on this thread or the Falcon thread. That was before he lost his keyboard. :unsure
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Atemylunch @ Feb 7 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]1414094[/snapback]
The Falcon was the easiest/cheapest to develop.
Or they put more into the Falcon, it would have the greater return. The Enterprise was second but more costly to develop(it is more complex a model then the Falcon, electronics and all)[/b]

Quite the opposite.

Electronics, once designed, can be cranked out by robots for pennies.

The number of parts that require tooling and manual assembly is where it gets ya. The Falcon is far more complex than the E in that regard.
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Let me clarify, I said develop. To look at the models, the Falcon has only one hull, for the most part is one piece. This makes it very easy to apply/hide structure, electronics, etc. And all of the greebles can hide flaws.

My statement is based on what the enterprise does when operating. It does more than the Falcon, plus structurally it is far more complex. Yes 'once developed' electronics, can cost less than pennies to produce. But getting everything working together is another matter. But everything is available, the only thing is to resize the parts for a 1/350 model. (Who ever did this can make a few bucks in the future)
The Enterprise has more steps involved in construction. Plus to make matters worse it has a smooth hull.
Which is not very forgiving on paint jobs. The models I have seen bear this out.
 
Sounds like the buckled warp grills is not a common problem anymore.

How is the motor noise? (not a deal breaker for me, just wonder if they are equally quiet now)

Some closeups of the grids pencil work could show if they are improving their skills.
 
The engine motors made a soft whirring noise but I didn't find it that loud. I don't have anything to compare it to so I'm not sure if it's changed any. Good suggestion on the cold temp. lighting thing (true for most electronics). I really think the Enterprise's coming out now are in pretty good shape. Keep in mind most people don't post if everything is fine - they post to complain most of the time. So we may have been seeing more of one side of things - and a small percentage too.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Atemylunch @ Feb 7 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]1414094[/snapback]
The Falcon was the easiest/cheapest to develop.
Or they put more into the Falcon, it would have the greater return. The Enterprise was second but more costly to develop(it is more complex a model then the Falcon, electronics and all)[/b]

Quite the opposite.

Electronics, once designed, can be cranked out by robots for pennies.

The number of parts that require tooling and manual assembly is where it gets ya. The Falcon is far more complex than the E in that regard.
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Barry mentioned the same thing long ago on this thread or the Falcon thread. That was before he lost his keyboard. :unsure
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Well I havent quite lost my keyboard. I've just been busy and not paying attention to this thread.

I've read the reports of customer's complaints. I've read people's nervous responses to customer's reports of complaints. I've read the widely varying opinions as to whether or not the paint job is accurate, the pencil lines should/should not be there, should be scaled thinner... But I have to admit I haven't gone back through the entire contents of this thread.

Here's what I know. So far some 800 and something models have shipped to customers. MR have received numerous emails in praise of this Enterprise model from grateful customers. I believe it has generated the most direct customer response of any MR product. The total returns on the E currently stands at 12 pieces, or so Amy informed me a couple of days ago. They have mostly been to do with the electronics. That's under 2% which any business will tell you is pretty darn good for pieces that include electronics.

I won't engage in any debate about the perceived accuracy issues as to the colors, finish etc. Master Replicas engaged the help of many dedicated E enthusiasts who know far more about the ship than I do. As for variable quality in a mass produced hand made item, that is inevitable unfortunately. These pieces are made by hand. The paint colors should be as spec'd. The standard of the finish on the model should be as spec'd.

The Enterprise comprises of injection tooled ABS body parts assembled onto an internal die cast and machined metal chassis. The electronics are assembled onto the frame. The injection parts are added, their seamlines hand finished and the model is readied for painting. The model is essentially molded opaque, painted black to prevent light leaks, and then the outer coat is applied. Windows are laser cut into the paint and removed to give that almost flush with the surface look, and to expose the lighting within. When it passes inspection the model is deco'd and Bob's your uncle.

The E is a VERY delicate design. These pieces are individually hand made. MR tries to ensure that every model meets a required standard before it leaves the factory, it's no fun disappointing customers. But sometimes things get through and things can and do happen during transportation. If customers receive a ship they are truly unhappy with, they are covered by the MR guarantee and may return the piece for a full replacement/refund. That's the only way I know to keep your customers happy.

Barry
 
Barry thank you so much for the information. Please understand that everyone who has ordered one of these is anxious to receive it quickly and in perfect condition. Trek geeks can get downright unpleasant when things get delayed or rumors of quality issues fly through the grapevine...

...and how dare you be busy with other things. :p
 
Hello pielock,

This is not what I said. I said it could take up to June to get them ALL out. This is the VERY worst case scenario. Most people, maybe all, will have them way before June. We are shipping them out in small batches as we get them made.

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Amy is now saying the next shipments of the LE's may be as far off as June now :( :cry
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MR Customer Care,
May I suggest a small bottle of touch up paint be sent free of charge to all those that ordered and have been sent the Enterprise. I only have a couple of very tiny paint chips off of mine. I really think that would help a lot. ;)
 
Thanks for the reply Barry.

I take your word on the number of returns. That's good news. It is too bad (bad coincidence) that a high percentage of the folks who found flaws worth returning the ship for are memebers of this and a couple other boards. Hopefully the number of happy customers posting with beautiful pictures will continue to rise as the weeks pass.

Honestly, I haven't seen that many complaints on the 3-4 boards I frequent about paint color (albeit some were expected regardless of which shade of gray you went with).

If the overwhelming number of customers are getting top notch quality...many kudos.

I will say, however, that the fact that these are "hand made" doesn't excuse poor quality. Hand made, in my book, explains variations in paint (weathering) and minor differences in how seams get filled/sanded (little thicker on this one..little thinner on that one). It is not an excuse for really big overlooked seams, dings and paint chips missing (I see nothing in your excellent packaging that would create these in shipping), poorly fitted pieces or extensive light leakage. If the number of replicas with these problems is actually minor (12 as you indicate) then no problem. With those odds, the replacements should be just fine.

We all know stuff happens in shipping. I'm sure electronic failures, lighting issues are an unfortunate occurence when dealing with shipping. Electronics have never been completely happy with being thrown around in a delivery truck, especially in the dead of winter. Putting "fragile" on a package is often like putting "kick me" on someone's back.

Thanks again for the update.
 
Good on ya, Barry... it would have been very easy, and I'm sure somewhat releaving for you to respond in harsh tones... in the same, often rude manner in which comments have been made, but you have chosen the high road, and have proven your quality to be of the most high.

thank you for that... for being a gentleman.

cheers,
-r.
 
I'm going to post this on the MR forum, but I thought I'd see who will blow a gasket here first. :)

Who would be willing to pay a small fee for close scrutiny on their ship/prop from a company like MR before it finally gets shipped to them?

We all know some "errors" are going to get through the cracks. I, for one, would be willing to pay an additional fee (or have it as a special service for the collector's society?) to have someone at least verify there are no paint chips, dings, electronic failures, unfilled seams, poorly fitted parts before it leaves MR. This wouldn't prevent damage occuring from their doors to ours, but some of the more easily identifiable issues that relate to "hand made" production could be caught early.

I'm sure someone here will say, "They should do that on all of them...we pay a lot, check them."..but I suspect that they will say that many of the issues are too subjective (i.e. paint job, weathering, grid lines). I'm primarily talking about poor finish as it relates to pieces improperly fitted, unfilled seams, clear imperfections in paint...not damage that can occur from shipping...or items we'll never all agree on.

Quality control in mass produced items usually involves spot checking. I'm suggesting that I'd pay a special fee (join some kind of society :p) to ensure someone specifically checks mine for problems.

Thoughts?
 
If I knew they would truly look mine over first and fix anything like you mentioned, I'd seriously consider paying something extra, like an additional $50, just for the peace of mind; but no more than that. I am not concerned with the grid lines, paint color or weathering. I am concerned with poor nacelle masking, faulty electronics, gaps, scratches and cracks. I hope Barry's numbers are true.
 
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