MR CloneTrooper Helmet ARRIVES !! PICS !!!

[Trallis]

Originally posted by Javamonkey@Dec 29 2005, 09:09 AM


The last I checked, it's ok to address people directly. I am the "people" who wrote that,

Actually i just read the whole convo and didnt pay much attention to who had written it and had forgotten the name of the person who said it. You were still able to figure it out i guess. I also had thought that it was more than one person making the comments, but if it was just you sorry next time ill recognize that.

 

[Jediwannabe]

Yes, we do read the fine print. We've had the discussion about weathering some time ago on the RPF. We knew that it would be pristine. What this discussion has become about is the inaccurate white mohawk coloring. Not the weathering.

Originally posted by Megatron@Dec 29 2005, 03:56 PM
does any one read the fine print on the adds...?

"Please note the image shown is an unapproved prototype. The actual helmet is a pristine helmet, not battle damaged."

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[Megatron]

so what about the part "unapproved prototype" ? The picture is not what is going to be made but a likeness of what is to come.

 

[allosaur176]

Originally posted by Jediwannabe@Dec 29 2005, 09:50 PM
  What this discussion has become about is the inaccurate white mohawk coloring.  Not the weathering.

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Which as MR has proven, was not an inaccurate paint job

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by allosaur176@Dec 29 2005, 10:07 PM
  Which as MR has proven, was not an inaccurate paint job   

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Which MR has proven was an LucasFilm incorrect colored helmet, just as the toys are incorrect for assumably the same reason. It is interesting that fine print of the add said battleworn, but it didn't say anything about recoloring the mohawk which WAS most assuredly yellow in the same ad.

I would still like to find out why the add had the proper color and the helmet did not, pristine or dirty isn't the issue. If the LucasFilm concept art was accurate, and the film was innacurate then shouldn't this the Replica Concept Art Forum.

Come'on give it a rest will you. MR doesn't need the fanboy/fangal squad to defend them or pretend something wrong is right. They can say why the advertisement mohawk was correct (the one which everyone ordered against) but the helmet isn't, and they can address why the LucasFilm concept art size is accurate, why is the helmet smaller if only to prove there is no helmet is not "Studio Scale" conspiracy.

And I thought people were starting to get less petty on this, I guess I was too optomistic on human nature.

OK, let's change the subject to add some levity:

So this Jedi named Syphodias walks into a kaMinoan Replica Clone Factory and says, "Give me a few million trooper clones, but make'em extra small because in the Star Wars galaxy evolution works backward and we need'em small to get into every nook and crany of the Republic.

So this clone trooper walks into a Cantina and the the horse bartender behind the bar says "Why the long face?" The trooper says "Fan-built"

Amy, help us out here, if only to stop my bad jokes.

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by allosaur176@Dec 29 2005, 10:07 PM
  Which as MR has proven, was not an inaccurate paint job   

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oops, just saw the

 

[Jediwannabe]

I agree that everything to be said has been said about the subject. I am happy to end the hijacking of this post. If you read all the comments thru you will see that people are only repeating themselves at this point.

Keep the pictures coming. It is a great helmet and very well made. Enjoy.

 

[Nobody]

I don't know what everybody is complaining about, I like mine and it looks pretty close to the picture to me, doesn't everyone elseÂ’s looks like this?

(This photo has not been altered in any way and it is definitely not a pathetic attempt to make my helmet look like the publicity photo that was shown to us to get us to buy one of these helmets)

 

[Gytheran]

If you scale the various images to the reference image Amy posted, you may find the helmets looks almost spot on... despite the fact that none of the images show the same angle as Amy's.

If anyone cares...

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Glad to see its not just SDS threads that go this way

It is a shame that MR's helmet isnt exactly what was seen on-screen but it looks like it was LFL's "mistake" trather than theirs.

Size-wise its interesting that theyve actually increased the size, but then again Temuera Morrison's a small chap and IMO they should be around the same size as the Stormtrooper helmet they evolve into.

I'm certainly looking forward to getting mine.

Cheers

Jez

 

[StarWars Collector]

Maybe this will help. But will we EVER know for sure.......?

What we need are the original CG DATA to be sure.

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by StarWars Collector@Dec 30 2005, 07:00 AM
Maybe this will help. But will we EVER know for sure.......?

What we need are the original CG DATA to be sure.

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What we need is a little more info from the horses mouth.

I would submit that this photo is fairly accurate based on the MR bucket, but as you can see, the bucket is too small even compared to the LFL incorrect concept art (vs the ordering photo on StarWarsShop.com).

People are seriously forgeting that the trooper is wider than front to back. The width on the EpIII needs to take into account the fact that it there is less side to side room because of the cheek indents. It's just the design, design more to be the EpII & OT morph vs necessarily a well thought out military design, and it is an over the top vs an side open as shown in the movie itself.

You just need to tip over a screen accurate TK bucket vs the MR bucket and you will be immediately aware of what I mean. You can argue incorrect concept art vs the ordering page all day, but it's harder to argue with physics.

 

[Gytheran]

RPF Staff/Amy, if you feel this is in bad taste, I will not hesitate to remove the images.

I appologize in advance for the incorrect angles of the shot. My camera man could not seem, in this instance, to get angle 100% right. I have since fired him and will hire a new one when the Shock Trooper and/or Spec-Ops Trooper helmets come in.

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[WhiteCommando]

Nice compliments brother. I try to be honest, and accurate. I make mistakes. Human.

BTW, I had a resume prepared to hand to him when I was coming up to stay with you in Boston...but you know about the birthday thing. I actually wanted to try to get on the crew for one of the Star Wars TV shows. I am a CG artist in Lightwave.

Oh well, in another life.

Later Brother,

John

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@Dec 29 2005, 01:27 AM
maybe they'll have a recall, and send out accurate ones, making the value of the white mohawks skyrocket.  we'd better start learning how to tell the difference between an authentic MR innacurate paintjob and a fan made innacurate paintjob. :lol

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Amen. I have my second unopenned boxed one ready to go in my attic to increase in value, despite a number of requests to buy it at absurd prices. (Long live spirited debates).

I still hope answers on why the advertised helmet was different than the LucasFilm initially provided picture, but the later shipped, w/o the battlewear. (I actually do agree with the size on the Amy picture which is BIGGER than the MR relatively speaking, just superimpose the picture on any of the current folks wearing them to see how the armor fits) but would rather have the answers from MR direct than continue the debate.

Gytheran, you finally made me laugh. Thanks.

Happy New Year all,
Tim
BTW, if MR or LucasFilm were smart they would hire someone like WC to use his skills, more even than discourse, helmet painting, and graphic arts, to stop expensive blunders before they occur - and add some levity too

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[Java]

You could super-impose a 2 inch clone helmet on that pic, and if it was accurate enough it would overlay properly.

It's not the scale that is the issue, but rather the size (those are two different things right?)

 

[Gytheran]

It is in the same scale to the Human, as it is to the CG clone.

You can try to argue size... but because there are no REAL, screen-used helmets out there, the argument is completely moot.

So... the only way you can JUSTIFY(not prove) whether or not the helmet is the correct size, you have to base your comparisons on what we know...

1. What the real, OT Trooper helmets, which were based off of the same sized person, looked like and their size.

2. A comparison of a REAL person, of the same general size and build, wearing the helmet and comparing those images against the reference material to guage scale.

If those match, it's a good indicator that the size of the helmet is also correct. You cannot say the helmet is inaccurate simply because one feels it SHOULD be X by Y dimensions, or because someone cannot squeeze their head in.

So, exactly what is the basis behind the claim the MR is too small, if we're not talking about scale?

 

[Gytheran]

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[rudolpht]

Originally posted by Gytheran@Dec 30 2005, 10:09 AM
RPF Staff/Amy, if you feel this is in bad taste, I will not hesitate to remove the images.

I appologize in advance for the incorrect angles of the shot.  My camera man could not seem, in this instance, to get angle 100% right.  I have since fired him and will hire a new one when the Shock Trooper and/or Spec-Ops Trooper helmets come in.

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It was funny when you whited out the mohawk on the screenshot from the movie. When you white out the ordering paid advertising you are being complicitous in perpetuating a mis-truth. I was going to say scam, but sincve MR is a great company with a very liberal return policy, it may have been StarWarsShop that was the scammer or scamee.

 

[ImprisonedFett]

I think the argument for the size versus scale item boils down to the following example. Similar Triangles. Are similar triangles the same? They have the same angles, and shape but the dimensions may be off from one to the next. Just because the scale, or overall shape is the same, the size is not. This I think is the argument beeing stated here. No one is doubting the shape of the Master Replicas Helmet. In fact it looks to be dead on to the movie as it should be because of MR having the CG files. However, they also could have built a helmet at 1/4 scale, being perfectly proportionate, and someone could scale the photo to be exactly the same as an onscreen or a real helmet. However the 1/4 scale is not the same size as a real helmet. It is the same scale and proportions but not size. I think that is what is being discussed.

And let it be known I will be purchasing a plain white MR Episode 3 Helmet. I think it is a great display piece. It captures the essence of the clone. I do not know if this collectors item is the correct size or not. However it does appear to be proportionatly accurate.

 

[eFXBarry]

I'm gonna chime in here, since I worked directly on these helmets, though not the Star Corps variant.

The CloneTroopers seen throughout Episode III, we're all scaled at different heights. Yes, silly I know since they're all supposed to be, well, clones, but that's the way it was. Dramatic licence supercedes logic in any movie and the Clones were cheated depending on what environment/characters they were being seen in/or next to.

MR were provided with a list of the battalions and their associated heights. Some were scaled at 5'10" some at 6' etc. Temura Morrison is not a tall chap. He really isn't. He's shorter than Ewan, who himself is not a tall guy. Don't believe me? then check out the scenes in Jango Fett's apt. in Episode II and you'll see that Temura is shorter than Ewan in all the long shots except for the close-ups where they cheat the character's eyelines - another common practice in movies.

When ILM scaled the CloneTroopers larger they didn't rebuild the data files they just scaled them up percentage wise, so everything was proportionately bigger by 2% to 3%.

The MR CloneTrooper Helmet is NOT smaller than any of the ones seen on screen. If anything, it is physically larger than the smallest screen seen variant, though exactly the same proportionately.

The MR Clone Trooper Helmet is made from the EXACT digital data files supplied by LFL from ILM.

MR have already explained the paint job on the Star Corps helmet was dictated by LFL supplied reference.

Do things change from pre-production, through production, to post production? Hell yeah they do. As a licensee, what counts is what LFL supplies. They call the shots on product.

The General Grievous Cycle toy from Hasbro is a mirror image of the one seen on screen in the movie. Why? Because it was originally designed that way, but later changed at some point during production. In a CGI world where you can change every detail of every single frame and you're George Lucas who likes to finese everything as much as possible before he locks the final print, expect changes.

All the above aside. I think these helmets are incredible. A lot of good people worked long and hard to make them, in my opinion, the best replicas of Episode III CloneTrooper helmets ever offered

Barry