MR CloneTrooper Helmet ARRIVES !! PICS !!!

[Gytheran]

Originally posted by Trallis@Dec 29 2005, 01:30 AM
no im looking at the star corps guys with aayla.. and my lap top monitor is obviously too small..  i just zoomed in and what i was looking at was the two guys who were missing most of the paint on their mohawk.  they looked completely white before.  oh well.

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I've tried to locate one with white, but all I can see is yellow. :unsure :lol

 

[Darth Vindus]

Originally posted by rudolpht@Dec 29 2005, 12:11 AM
Amy,

It's too bad that early concept art provided by Lucasfilm did not match the screen version of the "real" Star Corps helmet.  It appears that some of the toy licenses have the same problem.  However there was MR posted pics that showed a correctly painted helmet and weathered/battleworn scheme at StarWarsShop in the July timeframe when the orders were placed.  Is there any rationale why the scheme changed from the advertised correct style to an "as built" incorrect rendition?

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The did the same thing with the Luke ESB saber showing tape on the clamp, the Obi Wan ANH saber having both washers on the transistors, and the crystals in the damaged Maul being red (instead of orange)

Minor errors, but it shows whoever is in charge of promotional pics isn't even checking if the final product matches those pics.


From Rebelscum Star Corps on Felucia

 

[Durasteel Corporation]

many of you already know, the clone troopers were, for the most part, CG art in the film as is the picture below.

for the most part CG? (for the most part) Did I miss something...was that a suggestion that a real suit or mannequin exists? Ive always dismissed this but that was a curious way to word it eh?


Now as a resident armourer here gang, allow me to show you how helmets can be created and worn which can affect the width, creating or eliminating the bobblehead. This helmets would never fit over the head unless they pivotted outward via a hinge of some sort.

Consider, if you will, that the clone helmet via SW technology, could open up somewhat to allow it to fit over the wearers noggin....then it closes up again. Sure, sure, sure, we see some cloneboys with their buckets kinda sitting on their head as if just lifted and vice versa.....but the smallness of the helmet on their heads in the films can be explained by a historical/physical reality that a helmet can open up to fit over the wearers head, then close.....hence the reason why the above helmets fit much closer to the wearers head than ever before and why they were called....viola, "close helms."

My point is that if we could figure out how these clone helmets could expand or pivot we could rationalize the smaller CG helmet into reality. That MR made it larger would simply have been due to the lack of any real knowledge as to how these helmets opened, or would have opened up.


(btw nice helmet JP05

 

[Gytheran]

Originally posted by Durasteel Corporation@Dec 29 2005, 02:10 AM

many of you already know, the clone troopers were, for the most part, CG art in the film as is the picture below.

for the most part CG? (for the most part) Did I miss something...was that a suggestion that a real suit or mannequin exists? Ive always dismissed this but that was a curious way to word it eh?

Nah, it just means there are a couple shots where the troopers have their helmets off and real peoples' heads are on screen.

 

[Durasteel Corporation]

real peoples' heads are on screen]

Yeah but not really Gyth.....there was only one Morrison :love

 

[Darth Vindus]

Originally posted by Durasteel Corporation@Dec 29 2005, 04:24 AM

real peoples' heads are on screen]

Yeah but not really Gyth.....there was only one Morrison :love

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...and only one Bodie Taylor

 

[Gytheran]

You're right. There was also Bodie Taylor. :lol

DOH.

 

[WhiteCommando]

OK. I stand corrected. Glytheran, that is some sweet compositing. I got a laugh out of that. Peace about the helmet issue. Rudolph is right, he likes both, there is room on most shelves for both...EXCEPT at Rudolph's. Since he has a collection like no other I have seen.

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@Dec 29 2005, 12:22 AM
Sorry, but the "innacurate paint job" statement stands.  The term "screen accurate" refers to being able to trace the accuracy of an item back to as it existed on screen.  Showing a design picture may explain MR's accountability but show me a screen cap and I will gracefully take back my statement.  I believe that MR followed their instructions but someone in the chain of command forgot to tell MR that the design had been altered in for the final product.

I think MR did an awesome job of recreating the helmet and I am very satisfied with mine. But the purpose of RPF is to discuss props, in a civil manor, with people who have knowledge and love for the craft.

This thread is to celebrate the arrival of a new and wonderful prop from our beloved MR but let's call a spade a spade.  Great helmet.  Unfortunate that the paint job is not the screen accurate pattern. But again Great Helmet.

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If you check a few posts up, you'll see we have proven the white mohawk was screen accurate.


But if you missed it, I'll repost the screen cap for you:














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[Java]

Originally posted by Trallis@Dec 29 2005, 01:13 AM
I just wanted to pop in agian, cause i just read some posts where people said people get roasted on the rpf all the time for having different opinions or showing something they have.  this is just absurd. ...... if you accuse the rpf of roasting you because of your differing opinion, all you are doing is overreacting to their own differing opinon.  now additionally, if you accuse the entire rpf of attacking every little thing that wasnt bought for 35000 dollars, you are just making wild accusations, insulting everyone here, and really just highlighting the fact that you dont like this community and maybe it's not the place for you.

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The last I checked, it's ok to address people directly. I am the "people" who wrote that, and I never said anything about a "accusing the entire RPF". Oh, and thanks for using the "absurd", "overreacting", "wild accusations", "insulting everybody here" because that doesn't help prove my point at all.

I have been "on" the RPF since around 1998, and I have seen a LOT of stuff like I described. When I said "all the time" that was clearly just an expression. As in any social circle, community, heck even on the street you live there are a mixed bag of people. Its human nature. My point was about how nit-noiding, minutia crazed this RPF can be, and that the welcome wagon can run you over if you don't agree with somebody, or if you have a less than perfect replica. I am sure there are loads of people who have made stuff really nice stuff but they wouldn't post it here on a bet.

This thread is a growing testament to what I said. I also know this type of thing gets threads closed toot-sweet, so I am done with it.

I stated earlier why these are small looking compared to Stormtrooper helmets, but some don't care to listen. Photos offered as evidence show troopers from the side with their heads turned which makes the body look thinner than it is exaggerating the size of the head.
I'm sure ILM knows quite well how big the clones are and maybe the guys are shorter than you think.

They missed the memo on keeping the Star Corp fin White.

I find it amazing that there are actually dozens of pages debating the accuracy and provenance of Vader helmets and ST buckets based on screen caps alone. Yet one picture gets posted that shows an oversized Clone helmet and its explained away as "ILM knows what they are doing, and besides, the bodies are twisted...etc"

I might not have thousands of posts, but I know when the "tribe has spoken" so I'll respectfully go back to the hole I crawled out of.

OH, one last thing - I agree that this is a really nice reproduction and I would love to know where to buy one for $280.

 

[ImprisonedFett]

I'd like to know where I can buy one for $280 as well.

 

[Nobody]

Me too.

 

[docholl]

Originally posted by MRCUSTOMERCARE@Dec 28 2005, 08:28 PM
Hello Everyone.

There seems to be some questions as to why we made the helmet the way we did.
Lucasfilm approached MR to make an exclusive edition of the clone trooper helmet, the Star Corps helmet, for the StarWarsShop.com.  The picture below is the reference helmet that they had requested we make for them.  As you can see, the mohawk is white.  As many of you already know, the clone troopers were, for the most part, CG art in the film as is the picture below.  This may have been one of the variants.

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That's one unhappy looking Clone Trooper. Maybe he did not get enough fibre?

 

[Jediwannabe]

Who took it seriously? I think you're getting offended at nothing. Perhaps you should take your own advice and loosen up. My comments were also in jest.

And you're preaching to the choir. I've stated several times that I like mine very much.

Originally posted by Gytheran@Dec 29 2005, 12:20 AM
Can't get nuttin' past this dude, especially my l337 photoshop skilz. :lol

I can't believe you took that seriously.  :confused

You know what... it has been explained why it has a white mohawk. The design was approved per LFL and the reference material provided to MR. It is sad it doesn't match what we see in the film, but in all reality the scene which these guys are in goes by so fast you hardly get a chance to even look. If you bought one and dislike it, send it back.

I don't really care WHAT you do, as long as you loosen up a bit. :eek

Of course that's your choice, also...

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[KevVader]

Originally posted by Gytheran+Dec 29 2005, 03:17 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gytheran @ Dec 29 2005, 03:17 AM)</div>

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@Dec 29 2005, 02:10 AM

many of you already know, the clone troopers were, for the most part, CG art in the film as is the picture below.

for the most part CG? (for the most part) Did I miss something...was that a suggestion that a real suit or mannequin exists? Ive always dismissed this but that was a curious way to word it eh?

Nah, it just means there are a couple shots where the troopers have their helmets off and real peoples' heads are on screen.

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Curious....I had wondered if there were real helmet mock-ups for those scenes or were all the helmets/armor CG?

 

[JediCarl]

All CG.

For some shots Taylor and Morrison wore blue suits and would put actual helmets on and off. But they were used only for reference: the helmets used on set were actually regular stormtrooper buckets.

 

[KevVader]

Originally posted by JediCarl@Dec 29 2005, 02:15 PM
All CG.

For some shots Taylor and Morrison wore blue suits and would put actual helmets on and off. But they were used only for reference: the helmets used on set were actually regular stormtrooper buckets.

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Understood.....are there any production stills of this that anyone can post?

 

[Jediwannabe]

I have seen one of these scenes but I can't remember where. I think it might have been one of the "making of" docs from Hyperspace that are now on the dvd. It is the scene where Cody gives Obi-Wan the lightsaber back.

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by Trallis@Dec 29 2005, 01:27 AM
maybe they'll have a recall, and send out accurate ones, making the value of the white mohawks skyrocket.  we'd better start learning how to tell the difference between an authentic MR innacurate paintjob and a fan made innacurate paintjob. :lol

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Amen. I have my second unopenned boxed one ready to go in my attic to increase in value, despite a number of requests to buy it at absurd prices. (Long live spirited debates).

I still hope answers on why the advertised helmet was different than the LucasFilm initially provided picture, but the later shipped, w/o the battlewear. (I actually do agree with the size on the Amy picture which is BIGGER than the MR relatively speaking, just superimpose the picture on any of the current folks wearing them to see how the armor fits) but would rather have the answers from MR direct than continue the debate.

Gytheran, you finally made me laugh. Thanks.

Happy New Year all,
Tim
BTW, if MR or LucasFilm were smart they would hire someone like WC to use his skills, more even than discourse, helmet painting, and graphic arts, to stop expensive blunders before they occur - and add some levity too

 

[Gary Weaver II]

Got my helmet in this afternoon. Its nice, but I'm almost thinking I would like a standard white clone better...

The one thing that does piss me off (and this had NOTHING to do with MR), is the shipping. I paid $40 somthing for shipping. It took over a week to get here and to top it all off the box corner was all smashed to hell, thus the inner MR box is damaged as well. I just wish for my money I got something that was at least double boxed...

Oh, and my helmet fits SNUGLY - I'd want to take out that liner if I were trooping in it. As if Still it fits better than the Rocketeer. I thought I was going to have to change my name to Gary Van Gogh after taking that thing off...

-Gary

 

[Megatron]

does any one read the fine print on the adds...?

"Please note the image shown is an unapproved prototype. The actual helmet is a pristine helmet, not battle damaged."