MR CloneTrooper Helmet ARRIVES !! PICS !!!
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ImprisonedFett
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Is it me or does the Star Corps helmet look quite a bit smaller than the Shocktrooper or Spec Ops? Perhaps its farther back?
foxbatkllr
Sr Member
rudolpht, I gotta wonder why someone would spend so much money on something they appear to hate so much. Seriously dude. It comes off like "Oh here's my new POS MR helmet that totally sucks that I spent $400 on. Ho-hum. Isn't my collection amazing?" Most of us are trying to scrounge up the money to afford just one of those helmets. Seriously, sell your LE helmets to someone who didn't get a chance to get in on it and y'know actually WANTS the helmet.
ImprisonedFett
New Member
I don't think rudolpht hates the MR helmet at all. He has claimed it is a nice collection piece, and therefore wanted all of them for his collection. However I believe he does not agree with the size and would not troop in it. This is what I have gathered in prior posts. It is a nice looking helmet.
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rudolpht
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Maybe you ought to look back through the thread. I have repeatedly mentioned that these are great display hemets - "repeatedly" meaning more than once. 'Pristine "as built" glory' wasn't at all sarcastic. The "Oh well" was sarcastic in that MR continues reflect "concept art" but the picture in the very black envelope where the plaque is shows weathered/battle damaged Spec Ops helmet. Right next to where the plaque is. It just cries out for a little corporate consistency.
I guess folks interpret things the way they want, even if it's 180 out. Seriously duuude, I'm not a socialist, and while I wouldn't troop with the MR helmets, they are great "as built" display helmets. The ONLY thing I feel bad about is that except for the pictured area, I'm doing better than most folks in not having bad paint.
Later dude....
As for shelf placement the helmets are alternately forward and back on the shelves. That and camera lens perspective. The MRs are all consistently 2-3% bigger than CAD files as previously stated, and smaller than the excellent fan made.
It's not that he hates the MR helmets, it's just that he has fallen prey to the same virus that infected a past member ---------... ya know the virus that makes you show up in every thread that even remotely pertains to (in rudolpht's case MR, in ---------'s case AA) and making the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over....
... and over and over and over.
* NOTE: I have had a successful transaction in the past with rundolpht, and although I do not know him personally, I have no problem with him at all, just a moment of levity on my part. I also have absolutely nothing against ---------, and this is not meant to be an attack on him or his friends/acquaintances.
foxbatkllr
Sr Member
I understand you feel the helmets are too small for trooping and that's fine. It's that you keep bringing that up with every single post. I don't have a problem with you, it's just that I'm getting tired of the negativity where most of us would either be stoked or disappointed (and return the item). Instead your posts seem to suggest you're disappointed with the helmets but you keep buying them. If I spent $400 on an item and was disappointed, I'd return it. That's a lot of money. I am going to get one of these helmets eventually and if I'm not totally satisfied you can bet I'll return it.
rudolpht
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Originally posted by KevVader@Jan 27 2006, 05:06 PM
rudolpht....how many heads do you have?
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Absolutely, with great electronics.
Your point is dead on about the number of heads
The point of having a collection of something isn't necessarily to wear it, even if the items are helmets. The MRs are great helmets. With more accurate (and well applied) paint and 7-8% bigger they would, IMHO, be perfect helmets ready for electronics and trooping. But it's a big world, and fortunately there are fantastic American artisans out there to meet that market segment.
As to other posters, truthfully I don't like people to tell me what to do with my resources. If I didn't like the helmets I would return them, and appreciate MRs policies for customer satisfaction, but I don't have to 100% like them or mail them back. That's more than riduculous. If every decision was Boolean, it may be a simpler world, but there are shades of grey. So I'm not in the MR crowd of "love it or your a traitor," and the fact that I have many MR products doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, e.g., I was defending Rocketeer while some hardcore finheads were denigrating it. I'm glad I live in a great country, where folks can have opinions and, for the most part, are left alone to live the way they want. (Incidentally, foxbatkllr, I like your new avatar on CT.net).
Tim
OldKen
Master Member
what i dont understand is why people say that even thought they are BIGGER than the screen used by 3% that they feel that they still arent BIG enough for trooping? :confused
i would rather it be smaller so to be more accurate...
im a small guy though, and fit perfect in TE armor so...
i HATE FX armor
so i would like to see a 100% accurately sized helmet and suit combo be made available... but thats just me i guess. :unsure
i would rather it be smaller so to be more accurate...
im a small guy though, and fit perfect in TE armor so...
i HATE FX armor
so i would like to see a 100% accurately sized helmet and suit combo be made available... but thats just me i guess. :unsure
foxbatkllr
Sr Member
Originally posted by rudolpht+Jan 27 2006, 02:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rudolpht @ Jan 27 2006, 02:47 PM)</div>@Jan 27 2006, 05:06 PM
rudolpht....how many heads do you have?
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Absolutely, with great electronics.
Your point is dead on about the number of heads
The point of having a collection of something isn't necessarily to wear it, even if the items are helmets. The MRs are great helmets. With more accurate (and well applied) paint and 7-8% bigger they would, IMHO, be perfect helmets ready for electronics and trooping. But it's a big world, and fortunately there are fantastic American artisans out there to meet that market segment.
As to other posters, truthfully I don't like people to tell me what to do with my resources. If I didn't like the helmets I would return them, and appreciate MRs policies for customer satisfaction, but I don't have to 100% like them or mail them back. That's more than riduculous. If every decision was Boolean, it may be a simpler world, but there are shades of grey. So I'm not in the MR crowd of "love it or your a traitor," and the fact that I have many MR products doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, e.g., I was defending Rocketeer while some hardcore finheads were denigrating it. I'm glad I live in a great country, where folks can have opinions and, for the most part, are left alone to live the way they want. (Incidentally, foxbatkllr, I like your new avatar on CT.net).
Tim
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I'm not telling you what to do with your resources and I didn't mean you have to like something 100% to keep it. I guess my point didn't come across very well. :unsure I have no hard feelings towards you, I was just annoyed. I :love all my clone brethren. :lol
WilliamsSkeletor
Well-Known Member
You're not alone, OldKen. I'm in the same boat as you. I've never been fortunate enough to see a film-accurate stromy bucket... accurately-sized, that is. So when I got a hold of the MR CT helmet I was very surprised at how big it was. I'd always imagined them smaller for some reason. Guess I'm more pin-headed than I thought. Anyway, I can't really imagine these lids bein' any larger. I DO see how it'd be difficult to stuff it with electronics, though (a fan and speaker/mic). Maybe now that we have the MR as a template, someone will scratchbuild a CT bucket for guys with smaller noggins... we can only hope.
CHEERS.
-Roger
CHEERS.
-Roger
allosaur176
Sr Member
damn, I want my helmet now
rudolpht
Well-Known Member
As mentioned since screen accurate could mean anywhere +/- 10% or more, sized for composition for various scenes, e.g., the gree with yoda would be an easy 10% upper, you could say any bucket is screen sized, just not "CAD file" accurate, but as many say I'm a broken record, I'm not unique (right Joe).
Don't make me pull out my 100% screen accurate TK bucket to show how much wider it is
We don't want to go back to the future, except I have a few non-FX buckets now to compare.It's real simple with the Ep III Clone Trooper buckets... The design looks great but NEVER had to accomodate a real live human head. Even the scene where Commander Cody slips his helmet on is hugely cheated on screen as his head would NEVER go through the tiny hole on the bottom of the bucket.
MR were charged by Lucasfilm with making accurate helmet replicas. They provided the CG files and MR quickly realised that they were too small for anything other than a twelve year old's head to comfortably fit into. Those of you guys who met me a C3 know I have a pea head and when I squeezed my noggin into the first SLA helmet we output, we nearly had to break it off me to get me out of it. Therefore the negotiations started as to how we could make it wearable without compromising the authenticity of the helm.
We increased the size marginally to allow an ergonomic model of the typical American male head (yes, these models do exist to help aid design), to fit inside. And checked its look sizewise with actual Stormtrooper helms to make sure it looked as accurate as possible. At C3 we found a selection off 501st guys with big and little heads and asked them to try on the helmet prototypes. They got their heads in them and declared that they fit fine, and much better in one instance, than one of the guy's fan built EPIII Clonetrooper helmet. So...
The size issue should be a non-debate by now. As I explained before, the Clonetroopers' size is cheated on sceen depending on the troop and the scene they're appearing in. The real basic problem with the Clonetrooper helmet is simple. It's a cool design, but its wickedly recessed cheek areas that do not take into account the shape of a human head inside. The design precludes comfort unless you greatly scale it up.
Anyway, just FYI.
Barry
MR were charged by Lucasfilm with making accurate helmet replicas. They provided the CG files and MR quickly realised that they were too small for anything other than a twelve year old's head to comfortably fit into. Those of you guys who met me a C3 know I have a pea head and when I squeezed my noggin into the first SLA helmet we output, we nearly had to break it off me to get me out of it. Therefore the negotiations started as to how we could make it wearable without compromising the authenticity of the helm.
We increased the size marginally to allow an ergonomic model of the typical American male head (yes, these models do exist to help aid design), to fit inside. And checked its look sizewise with actual Stormtrooper helms to make sure it looked as accurate as possible. At C3 we found a selection off 501st guys with big and little heads and asked them to try on the helmet prototypes. They got their heads in them and declared that they fit fine, and much better in one instance, than one of the guy's fan built EPIII Clonetrooper helmet. So...
The size issue should be a non-debate by now. As I explained before, the Clonetroopers' size is cheated on sceen depending on the troop and the scene they're appearing in. The real basic problem with the Clonetrooper helmet is simple. It's a cool design, but its wickedly recessed cheek areas that do not take into account the shape of a human head inside. The design precludes comfort unless you greatly scale it up.
Anyway, just FYI.
Barry
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