Millennium FX Dr Who Sonic Screwdriver
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I don't want to see diecast heads, I want to see machined ones. But your picture does make it look diecast as the interior of the lens housing shows machine marks clearly but the rest of the head doesn't. That's all I was saying.
There's no doubting the quality of Russ work, but you have to admit, the whole CT debate about unlicenced replicas has been blown out of the water now it's been made public that an unlicenced sonic maker has made the heads on the MFX version. That is just too weird, and I think you were very unwise to make that post.
Hi guys I machined a few of the parts on the sonic and also helped out with inner machined parts!
I DO NOT SELL THESE
I WILL NOT BE MAKING THESE TO SELL IN THE FUTURE
I was hired by Neill at MFX to do this project!
Also to put the record straight the head were NOT dia cast LOL! There were all cnc machined and then deburred!
Russ
I DO NOT SELL THESE
I WILL NOT BE MAKING THESE TO SELL IN THE FUTURE
I was hired by Neill at MFX to do this project!
Also to put the record straight the head were NOT dia cast LOL! There were all cnc machined and then deburred!
Russ
Is the notion of sub contracting new to you? I'm totally confused about why this disturbs you. This is how business is done. This is how manufacturing is done.
Unless I"m missing some major details here, there is ZERO reason to be disturbed by someone elses involvement of the creation of the sonic.
And once again, a thread like this has proven how on the RPF when people decide that they are required to share their hateful opinions, we see people with genuinely good information and intentions go underground in order to not have to deal with it. Great work.
I hope the guilty feel a sense of self worth knowing that causing a scene has lessened this forum.Is the notion of sub contracting new to you? I'm totally confused about why this disturbs you. This is how business is done. This is how manufacturing is done.
Unless I"m missing some major details here, there is ZERO reason to be disturbed by someone elses involvement of the creation of the sonic.
And once again, a thread like this has proven how on the RPF when people decide that they are required to share their hateful opinions, we see people with genuinely good information and intentions go underground in order to not have to deal with it. Great work.
You are indeed missing some major details. Sub contracting is not a problem, no. The problem is the post itself. karstva has done more harm in one post than CT has done in two years of his blog. He made it public that a non-licenced sonic maker (just like CT) has made parts for the MFX sonic, which was supposed to be made in-house by MFX. One of the reasons for me being anti CT in my old posts was that he was not licenced and jeopordising future prop replicas being licenced out. And this was the main argument against him by MFX. Now it has been made public that a prop maker making unlicenced sonics has been involved in the making of the licenced ones too. This announcement was not thought out and where karstva was trying to defend the MFX sonic, he has actually done the opposite and undermined it.
If you look at CTs blog now, you can see that he has not missed any of the points at all, and karstva has played right into his hands and given him all the ammunition he will ever need in the licenced v unlicenced argument. And that the part that he has the most problems with in terms of accuracy, was not made by MFX at all and lends credence to his points on accuracy and control.
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So does this mean you didn't buy any MR products when you found out Larbel was working with them to produce lightsabers? Should the people who purchased an MR falcon demand their money back because fans were involved who sold unlicensed stuff at one time? Should every fan of Trek products shout for injustice because SDStudios cranks (and previously cranked out) trek props? It's a silly point you're trying to make, with hundreds of examples of the exact same behavior available from numerous talented and respected people on the board. I think you're drawing your line in the sand on a beach that nobody cares to visit. Now that I think about it, it's ALMOST common practice for license holders to engage the assistance and support of infringers (or one time infringers) in their efforts. After all... they know best.
And by the way, I think you're totally wrong about undermining the MFX sonic. What you're completely failing to realize is that NOBODY cares. The sonics are all sold, MFX has made their profit, and have moved on. ANY collector that wants one will buy one. Those that do not want one will not. I would argue that MOST of the people interested in this product don't even post on this forum, so who cares. To make matters worse, I saw a LOT of poeple who were salivating for the sonic drop off the radar as soon as they went on sale. Not because they didn't trust the manufacturing techniques, they just chose not to purchase it.
I think you're blowing it way out of proportion to suggest that the postings and opinions of RPF members are somehow ruining a product. At the end of the day, people will buy what they want to buy, and SELDOM care where it came from. Just look at any thread on this board. Ethics go out the window as soon as something comes up for sale that you want badly enough.
And while we are nit picking, I think you're talking the term "in house" a little too far. Did MFX smelt the materials in their garage? If not, does that mean it wasn't in house? Again, I will be stunned to learn that any sonic screwdriver owner cares if parts of the sonic were parceled out to local artisans. You think MFX made the LED's? or the Batteries?
But at the end of the day, I don't really care either. You are free to believe in whatever you want, and as we have seen on this forum a number of times, smear campaigns are hard to stop. But the fact of the matter is, nobody cares. As I said, MFX has made their money, so they don't care. I own one and I'm happy with it, so I don't care. Show me a line of people waiting for a refund because the emitter head was subcontracted to a guy who makes off-license sonic screwdrivers and I'll show you a line of people who are out of their frickin' minds.
And by the way, I think you're totally wrong about undermining the MFX sonic. What you're completely failing to realize is that NOBODY cares. The sonics are all sold, MFX has made their profit, and have moved on. ANY collector that wants one will buy one. Those that do not want one will not. I would argue that MOST of the people interested in this product don't even post on this forum, so who cares. To make matters worse, I saw a LOT of poeple who were salivating for the sonic drop off the radar as soon as they went on sale. Not because they didn't trust the manufacturing techniques, they just chose not to purchase it.
I think you're blowing it way out of proportion to suggest that the postings and opinions of RPF members are somehow ruining a product. At the end of the day, people will buy what they want to buy, and SELDOM care where it came from. Just look at any thread on this board. Ethics go out the window as soon as something comes up for sale that you want badly enough.
And while we are nit picking, I think you're talking the term "in house" a little too far. Did MFX smelt the materials in their garage? If not, does that mean it wasn't in house? Again, I will be stunned to learn that any sonic screwdriver owner cares if parts of the sonic were parceled out to local artisans. You think MFX made the LED's? or the Batteries?
But at the end of the day, I don't really care either. You are free to believe in whatever you want, and as we have seen on this forum a number of times, smear campaigns are hard to stop. But the fact of the matter is, nobody cares. As I said, MFX has made their money, so they don't care. I own one and I'm happy with it, so I don't care. Show me a line of people waiting for a refund because the emitter head was subcontracted to a guy who makes off-license sonic screwdrivers and I'll show you a line of people who are out of their frickin' minds.
I never said in any of my posts that I don't agree with whoever makes or is involved in making the sonics.
I very simply stated that karstva has made a very unwise choice in making it public. And the CT blog has proven my point entirely. His blog is aimed towards undermining the MFX sonic and karsvas post has given more than enough ammunition.
Do I have a problem with Russ? I certainly don't and never said I did. I bought his unlicenced sonics and will buy unlicenced items. I have no problem with them as much as some people.
Do I have a problem with Russ making parts, no?
And who is starting a smear campaign? Me? All I said was karstva was unwise to make that post. Hardly a personal attack or smear campaign is it? And I'm right, it was unwise for him to do it. Posted with good intentions, but will have the opposite effect. It already is on CTs blog.
Get some perspective MM, because while you and I don't care one way or another for Russ involvement. It has opened a can of worms that will continue writhing long after we have bowed out of this thread, on other forums, blogs etc etc.
I very simply stated that karstva has made a very unwise choice in making it public. And the CT blog has proven my point entirely. His blog is aimed towards undermining the MFX sonic and karsvas post has given more than enough ammunition.
Do I have a problem with Russ? I certainly don't and never said I did. I bought his unlicenced sonics and will buy unlicenced items. I have no problem with them as much as some people.
Do I have a problem with Russ making parts, no?
And who is starting a smear campaign? Me? All I said was karstva was unwise to make that post. Hardly a personal attack or smear campaign is it? And I'm right, it was unwise for him to do it. Posted with good intentions, but will have the opposite effect. It already is on CTs blog.
Get some perspective MM, because while you and I don't care one way or another for Russ involvement. It has opened a can of worms that will continue writhing long after we have bowed out of this thread, on other forums, blogs etc etc.
Lol. Glass houses, bro. Have you actually READ any of your posts? :lol
Yeah, I actually wrote them at the same time :lol
You seem to be personally twisting what I have said. If you can quote where I have said I do not agree with unlicenced products... go ahead.
While you are at it, also quote me where I have started a smear campaign against Russ or karstva.
You seem to be missing the only point I ever made in those posts that very simply that the anouncement of an unlicenced replica sonic maker being involved in the MFX sonic (MFX being very anti unlicenced makers), that it will blow the whole CT debate wide open.
No flaming or smearing, just a statement of fact. It will and it has. Just read CTs blog now.
Karsten obviously agrees with me as he has removed his posts.
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And this matters how? This effects Me, MFX, the collectors market and fans how?
And honestly, I think the only people that care about the "CT debate" are those that are trying to make money. Which is fine, by the way. I don't care. But let's call a spade a spade. CT is trying to turn a profit. No big deal. I think anyone with a clear head and a set of eyes knows what their motivation is behind all of their actions.
Again, which is fine. It is up to the reader to be intelligent enough to decipher the true meanings and motivations of someones posts. If they cannot, that is not the fault of the author.
At the end of the day, as with anything else in this hobby, those that want a CT sonic will buy one. It will not matter who said what about whom. If someone wants one and has the money, they will buy it. I refuse to believe that information shared on a blog or this forum will sway someone from that.
If you believe otherwise, that is totally up to you
Do you really believe that??
karstva
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Nope, I removed it because I didn't want to be part of the downward turn of the post, my intent was to share information for the good of the group, provide Kudo's to a member and it backfired. Last time I make that mistake. Plain and simple. It had nothing to do with any recommendations you made.....and no for the record I don't agree with you.
It will not matter who said what about whom. If someone wants one and has the money, they will buy it. I refuse to believe that information shared on a blog or this forum will sway someone from that.
If you believe otherwise, that is totally up to you
I honestly do, so lets leave it at that.
All I said was that your well intended post would backfire. My post was a well intentioned warning about that inevitability.
LOL I just read that blog he still thinks the heads were dia cast! I HOW MANY TIMES!
they were machined, then put in a rumbler to remove all burrs.
I can tell you now a to machine a tool to have some thing like that head cast for 500 off would prob make those sonics work out at 4-5 times as much as they were!!
Russ
they were machined, then put in a rumbler to remove all burrs.
I can tell you now a to machine a tool to have some thing like that head cast for 500 off would prob make those sonics work out at 4-5 times as much as they were!!
Russ
I gotta hand it to you asp, you are quite the deconstructionalist, and I can appreciate that. You are obviously quite skilled at the art of debate, and that is a characteristic seldom displayed on this forum. Kudos to you sir!
I personally look forward to the numerous and rampant consequences you predict. I will be happy to eat my words when I see the hobby collapse due to the postings of one user here on the forum. We can look back on this day with horror, knowing that a single, innocent post set in motion a chain of events that would forever change the face of this hobby for the worse.
And you can say you saw it coming.
That's awesome.
:lol
I personally look forward to the numerous and rampant consequences you predict. I will be happy to eat my words when I see the hobby collapse due to the postings of one user here on the forum. We can look back on this day with horror, knowing that a single, innocent post set in motion a chain of events that would forever change the face of this hobby for the worse.
And you can say you saw it coming.
That's awesome.
:lol
Russ, please find the nearest brick wall and smash your head into it a few times. You'll recieve roughly the same results as trying to explain the truth to the nonbelievers
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I ask again: who really cares? I dont' care if it's die cast, CNC'd, hand milled, or crapped out by a talented donkey. At the end of the day, I have a metal tennant sonic, and that's what I wanted.
I'm baffled as to why this is such a point of contention. Is this another "He said, she said" thing? If MFX said it was milled, then you can either take that at face value, or not believe it. Me? If I'm faced with the word of the manufacturer, plus the word of the guy who made them vs. the word of a competitor and people who have never seen a mill/lathe in action, can you guess which side I"m going to go with?
Irrevelevant! your years of experience as a machinist, and your hands on involvement with the product, combined with a deep understanding of production techniques and costs mean NOTHING in the face of some blurry pictures people have of the MFX sonic!!! :lol
I love this thread. Like shooting fish in a barrel. We should have more of these.
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