Marvel's The Punisher
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Strikerkc
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It's my understanding that that's what they're gonna do; sadly, I expect that'll ultimately kill the shows; I can't imagine disney will get the viewership on their streaming channel to cover the costs of what they make specifically for the channel. They're a monolithic corp, and can run the service in the red for quite a while, but I just don't see it happening long term.
Anyone ever heard any actual finance info on the disney streaming service?
Kovnyn
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I'm actually afraid that these good Netflix/Marvel shows are dead. Disney is WAAAAAY too family friendly to run TV-MA on the same service that runs G rated animated movies. I think PG-13 is all we're going to get with Disney +, and my guess is those will just be the films that already exist under the Disney umbrella.
I'm still hopeful for The Mandalorian, due to the fact that it's John Favreau at the head, and some fantastic directors, but I expect it'll be TV-14, or whatever the TV rating equivalent to PG-13 movies are. Still dark and gritty, like Firefly and Rogue One were.
I'm still hopeful for The Mandalorian, due to the fact that it's John Favreau at the head, and some fantastic directors, but I expect it'll be TV-14, or whatever the TV rating equivalent to PG-13 movies are. Still dark and gritty, like Firefly and Rogue One were.
Chicagovader
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Disney + will not be picking up the Netflix shows they have said numerous times they will not a mature content on the service.
Since Disney will own a majority share of Hulu after the FOX deal closes I'm hoping they can be brought over there, of course Netflix has a 2 year exclusive to the characters even after cancelation so for the Punisher it wouldn't be till 2021, hopefully most of the cast and crew will be available to come back.
As for season 2 I loved it! Watched it twice already.
Since Disney will own a majority share of Hulu after the FOX deal closes I'm hoping they can be brought over there, of course Netflix has a 2 year exclusive to the characters even after cancelation so for the Punisher it wouldn't be till 2021, hopefully most of the cast and crew will be available to come back.
As for season 2 I loved it! Watched it twice already.
Laspector
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Someone clarify something for me, I'm a little confused on the beginning of the season. Were Amy and her friends trying to blackmail the senator's parents? She had the photos and the senator's parents hired Pilgram because of that, right? Was Amy a bad guy to begin with? What exactly was she and her friends doing?
Strikerkc
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As to "was Amy bad guy/what the heck was she doing?"
The Russian businessman had his Russian connection in new york, hire Amy's team to get compromising pictures of the senator.
The Russian businessman says it's because he wanted to "own" the senator, not discredit him.
It's heavily implied/stated that the senator was likely to become president at some point in the next few terms.
Hence mom and dad going old testament on Amy's team.
Amy was essentially working as a low level spy for hire, which I believe most folks would consider as being a "bad guy"
The Russian businessman says it's because he wanted to "own" the senator, not discredit him.
It's heavily implied/stated that the senator was likely to become president at some point in the next few terms.
Hence mom and dad going old testament on Amy's team.
Amy was essentially working as a low level spy for hire, which I believe most folks would consider as being a "bad guy"
Strikerkc
Sr Member
Many were very young. It was a very "Oliver twist/artful dodger" kind of thing. it was a team put together by the one adult woman who also died in the hotel room (they say her name a few times, like "I was doing a job for Claire" or "I never would have bet it'd be YOU that left Claire's team", I just don't remember if her name was actually Claire, lol) that she had essentially filled with smart, disadvantaged teens, to come do spy stuff for her. Amy definitely had no regard for rule of law, and had been raised to be selfish, except in the case if her team. She'd also clearly worked with the team on other things before. Amy had likely done things that left people extorted or dead in her and her team's wake. She just never had to witness the consequences, so may not have realised how terrible the stuff she was doing actually was.
Riceball
Master Member
Amy and the rest of her crew probably did more than just spy stuff. They probably did a little petty theft here and there, ran cons (like the card game she was showing Punisher), and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they occastionally didn't set up rich and powerful for "compromising" photos with a minor. Basically, they were more petty criminals for hire more than anything else.
About two thirds into Season 2. While I LOVE Season 1 for being brilliant on ALL levels of movie making, season 2 feels like falling short on ALL levels. It feels like they hired b and c personnel for the major departments, the DOPs works sometimes looked like run of the mill CSI show level, the set decorating looked like done by someone fresh from film school (overfraught rooms, on the nose subtext via set elements) and talking heads and too much exposition.
I am in the middle of episode 10, and from about episode 2 onwards I ask myself if this is the same Frank Castle that we got introduced to in Season 1.
Not to speak of Billy Russo. I expected a completely disfigured Prettyboy, but those scars are quite tame. I did catch the jigsaw analogy referencing to his mental state, but come on.
I am curious how they are going to wrap things up.
I am in the middle of episode 10, and from about episode 2 onwards I ask myself if this is the same Frank Castle that we got introduced to in Season 1.
Not to speak of Billy Russo. I expected a completely disfigured Prettyboy, but those scars are quite tame. I did catch the jigsaw analogy referencing to his mental state, but come on.
I am curious how they are going to wrap things up.
Strikerkc
Sr Member
Rewardingly.
After reading your post I felt a bit more confident that they are able to wrap everything up in a reasonably satisfying manner.
I am terribly disappointent, though.
Two separate story arcs that don't merge in the end? Come ON! If I am pretty sure that it is possible to separate the arcs in editing and end up with two working storys, with the story around John pilgrim much more entertaining than the Billy Russo one.
What did i miss that made Frank care avout Amy so much, triggering his speech to John about how she means so much to him?
There are loads of scenes that made me cringe, e.g. Madani, Curtis and the detective finding Billy in the end.
And especially the mass murder/execution of those two apparently kids/young adult street gangs? I would have thought that Frank was going to twll them a lesson and quit their ****. But outright executing them? Two factions of hard boiled criminals, go for it, but I found this act of punishment rather vile.
While I plowed through Season 1 and find it one of the best written series of the last years I am deeply disappointed by this season.
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