Man of Steel (Pre-release)
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Sorry, but it's true. First - take a look at how many people loved Episode 1 when it first came out - then as time cleared the fog from their head they realized it sucked - same goes for episode 2 and 3. Now let's jump back on subject - Superman Returns - I was BLASTED by people for saying how terrible it was - then a few months later - everyone else was singing the same tune. I work all day with story - I know what goes into a good one and how committee or bad vision can create a horrible one. Hollywood usually bondos over story missteps buy pulling out it's magic bag of tricks -- which is filled with nothing but special effects. They smother over a story with eye candy when they know it's not that good - Bay has proven it's a formula that works. This is what makes new look good. It's like meeting a girl who is dressed in the latest fashion and another girl who knows how to speak French (or whatever). The girl in the latest fashion is only good on the surface (nine times out of ten) while the other girl has bettered herself from within - a harder thing to spot for the untrained. Now these special effects work in somewhat the same way. They cause the devoted movie goer to become confused - they love the effects and the story becomes less important -- for a short time. Once you start to forget about the effects (the new) the story works its way back to the front and it is only now you can truly judge the movie core. Alas, there are some who are lost forever but movies may not be all that important to them - or story is not all that important. There are people out there who hold Chips in higher order than say A Tale of Two Cities - I wouldn't want to hang out with them - but I've seen them.
Trust me my little friend (I've yet to miss a true classic).
As for the script - so far, everything I've seen in the trailers is in this screenplay. Scripts mostly change when the director is also a writer - we know Snyder is no writer - so he can't tell if what he's shooting is good or not, unless it's in front of a green screen where he can put some dandy explosions and stuff. I have the script and have had it for some time -- And you don't need to believe me - just believe me.
And the Nolan movies are boring
Mektar
Sr Member
That is all down to personal preference :rolleyes. I for one enjoyed the prequels even tho they were anything but perfect. Ofc the originals were alot better but even so i can still enjoy watching the prequels. Yes even after a few months. I also dint like returns but then again what was there too like. As for the man of steel so far i am fairly optimistic about it so far and will def go see it.
crabra comander
Master Member
Come on...we need spoilers Jet Beetle...I want to know how far they've strayed from the source material.
Not that I care really, Superman hasn't been the most interesting character to me. I would welcome some ninja training from Liam Neeson
BTW...I really hated all the Star Wars prequels. And thought Dark Knight Rises was a bit self-indulgent...
Not that I care really, Superman hasn't been the most interesting character to me. I would welcome some ninja training from Liam Neeson
BTW...I really hated all the Star Wars prequels. And thought Dark Knight Rises was a bit self-indulgent...
Well, no offense, but almost ^THIS^ entire post comes off as incredibly condescending. You could've taken everything you just said & condensed it down to:
Now, I'm also a huge Superman fan, & I'm also cautiously optimistic about this film. But, I don't have a dog in this hunt. If I see it, & I think it's terrible, I'll say so. But that will just be my opinion, & there WILL be others who think it's the most epic thing they've ever seen. It's all personal preference.
And ^THIS^ right here, very nearly makes your opinion, on this subject, moot for me. Batman Begins has been out for years now, & I love it now, just as much as I did the day I first saw it at the cinema. *shrugs*
One person's junk is another person's treasure. I'm just sayin'...
JD
Master Member
That's funny because its pretty much the same damn thing you said. I have no problem that people like things that don't... I'm pretty thorough in backing up my opinion.
Sorry if it's too long winded for you - my editor tells me to expand, reminding me some people don't understand brief and to the point. Hey, are you now patrolling the board looking to stomp out improper writing edicate and or rebuild on structure?
And Nolan's films are boring - I fell asleep in Begins. The Dark Knight took the Joker and made him NOT the Joker and Rises is just laughable - EXCEPT when Bane kicks Batman's tail - Y'know when Bailman tosses the fire crackers at Bane and Bane laughs at him - everything was done in a medium shot - no close ups or framed imposition - I liked that part because that's how ridiculous Batman would look in real life trying to fight someone. I also couldn't help wondering where Bane would have worked if he hadn't gone the "villain" route. DMV, greeter at Wal Mart, Home Depot? I do this when a movie gets booooorrriiinnnggg. Wait - I'll also toss a chip in for Ann Hathaway in that black outfit - that's it.
As for Man of Steel - to answer one question (I don't want to post any spoilers - I've learned my lesson there) but the source material is used as satire fodder in this film. It seems like everyone entered a room and the entire history of Superman was on the wall and the tear down began "Let's make another Superman movie.", "Let's lose the red underwear" "Yeah, and the suit needs to be more rubbery, y'know, like Marvel does." "Let's not only get rid of the source material - but let's show just how stupid it is - do I need to remind everyone how it was the source material that screwed us on Green Lantern?" (murmmers of agreement coupled with distain). "I always hated comic books" "We all hate comics - but those geeks that dress up and go to comic con will pay for anything as long as it has a cape and outter underwear." "I thought we agreed to lose the underwear!!!"
crabra comander
Master Member
I'm curious, how is the new 52 Supes portrayed in the new comic? To me, Supes has always been this really emotionless composed hero who only lost it when someone close to him was hurt. A bit boring if I'm honest.
Well, I'm not about to get pulled into any arguments here, & to be honest I was hoping any response from you would would have been more than disdain & pompous sarcasm, but hey, we can't have everything we want, am I right? And to your question there: did you mean "Etiquette"? Cuz I AM here to stomp out ZOMG rampant grammar errors!!11@*THUNDERCRACK*
No, they are boring IN YOUR OPINION.
:thumbsup
Gasp! You Heretic you! :lol
I'm with you on the Prequels though GAWD they were TRASH!
I'm sure Paul was not trying to offend anybody here he was just trying to give a little insight on the process since it IS what he does for a living.
Now wheres my script!!!??? :lol
I'm with you on the Prequels though GAWD they were TRASH!
I'm sure Paul was not trying to offend anybody here he was just trying to give a little insight on the process since it IS what he does for a living.
Now wheres my script!!!???
:lol
crabra comander
Master Member
So hopefully they will incorporate the life-pod being resistant to Supes powers so we can see him needing glasses to help prevent heat vision "accidents".
RougeAvenger81
Well-Known Member
My thoughts exactly. JD, what I meant by staying true to Batman was keeping the core of what he was, yet creating a newand unique universe. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and mine simply is the new versions of Batman and MOS seem to feel more realistic based on their filming styles, similar/relateable problems (although amplified for a super-hero), and feel of the stories. Could/would their be a real life billionare that lurks in the night hunting crime, etc. No, today he would be found in a matter of a week. Same with MOS. Simply stating my opinion is some elements of Supes has to be changed to not only cater to the fanboy, but be able to relate to a modern audience who may no little about the character.
This is where the creators (like Nolan) use the comics as a base and go from their. The star trek reboot comment above being spot on. Most fans should be pleased to see a new universe or different side to a character they love without changing it all. And like many movies with such a vast back story or pool of stories to pick from, you appeal to the fanboy base by all the easter eggs and tip of the hat type things thrown into the movie.
Can't appease everyone. From my stand point, you can't simply redo 20-30 year old films. Times change. Keep the base stories, but you have to appeal to a larger fan base in todays age.
RougeAvenger81
Well-Known Member
I've been collecting and reading the New 52 Superman/Action/JL/JLA. I personally like the take of it. They have encorporated some more emotion with him such as him liking Lois in one comic, but her being with someone else and feeling alone, to finding someone he feels should truly be with him (Wonder Woman) because they are so different that the other JL members.
In some of the comics they have finally shown he isn't perfect in the sense that he makes mistakes a bit too. Desicions, etc. Really liked the H'El story line they just did.
One of the big changes they did though was (at least early in the New 52 Action comic) he can be hurt without Kryptonite. He can stop a train, but getting hit my it will put him on his back side for just a bit too. He can work through things like bullets etc but they show that although he is invincible, it still hurts like hell. Just a couple differences I noticed. Hope that helps a bit.
Well, I'm not about to get pulled into any arguments here, & to be honest I was hoping any response from you would would have been more than disdain & pompous sarcasm, but hey, we can't have everything we want, am I right? And to your question there: did you mean "Etiquette"? Cuz I AM here to stomp out ZOMG rampant grammar errors!!11@*THUNDERCRACK*
No, they are boring IN YOUR OPINION.
No they are boring.
And the typo was the joke - don't you read "Written By" magazine? It's on a shirt. Not the exact quote but close enough to get it. Looks like I'll need to go back to being long winded again.
I can see some are getting all hot and bothered -- so let's just do this - You listen to me and agree with everything I post - including not going to see Man of Steel - and my mission will be complete - not only that but your life will be a better place - i PROMISE.
Nope. They might not be pretentious enough for your tastes, or hoity-toity enough, or artsy-fartsy enough, or some other made-up, rhymey word, but not boring. Those movies made FRAKLOADS of money, & movies that are considered "boring" by the vast majority of movie-going populace don't typically do that. I'd bet there are THOUSANDS of members on this site alone that will disagree with you.
No, I don't read it.
I conjure there's no power in the 'verse that can stop that. Besides, it's unnecessary. Everyone gets it, YOU HATE NOLAN. Put it in your sig, brah.
That may be true, but it's not me. I've been grinning ever since I started reading your posts. Heck, Ima subscribe to your newsletter.
BZZZZT. Following ^THIS^ advice, I never would've seen any of the Nolan Batman films, & would currently be suffering from an unknown, EXTREME entertainment deficit.
In other news, I'll step out of your rant now. I don't know how chummy your are with the staff, & I don't want to be handed an infraction for breaking the terms of the CoC, when all I did was disagree with you. And I bid you good day.
And in STILL other news, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night.
I guess it's pretty serious.
YES. I couldn't believe it - he said my take was too --- get this -- exciting.
And I do not hate Nolan you guys - just because I find three of his films boring doesn't mean I hate everything he's ever done- unlike Snyder. This may get me cooked over an open fire but I still like the Burton Batman - to me, it's more fun. Most people I know, when they see Keaton think - hey, it's Batman. I don't know too many who do the same with Bale, meaning Nolan didn't do his job (I would say the same thing about Bale but I fear his wrath).
And Nexus - there's nothing wrong with what we're doing - an infraction wouldn't make sense. Isn't that what the board and even more so threads like these are here for - differences of opinion? Healthy debate? We weren't name calling. And yes if you listened to me you wouldn't be without the Batman films - you would simply be schooled in what makes them boring. And I believe there are just as many people on the board who didn't like the Nolanverse - and more who fear of what it's going to do with Superman. What made Donner's so good was that in the beginning it was independent and Donner had one word everyone was to follow - do you know what that word was...? Verisimilitude. He wanted this movie to be real - that's where the whole "You will believe a man can fly" tagline came from. The screenplay was written by Goyer (Nolan's favorite keychain) and Nolan himself - their version of verisimilitude is some guy spending the first 20min moping around the world. I even found sections of the script that were darn near insulting. Remember when JJ first brandished his Star Trek and on the poster he put "This isn't your father's Star Trek" - fans were outraged and he yanked the blurb from all future ads. Superman reads like this. Like it's not the 75 years of history behind the character that dictates the movement or heart of the film, but Goyer and Nolan simply putting in what they think "is cool". The minute they reached out for Zod right away I knew we wouldn't be seeing anything special. Superman has a wide variety of bad guys to choose from but they almost pulled a Singer and simply went to something that had already been n film - a guide so they wouldn't have to worry (or research) some other story that would have to be started from scratch.
Oh well - who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I haven't liked anything since the Avengers
Pitchblack
New Member
I think this is going to be a super hit.
nickytea
Master Member
Paul, did this actually happen, or are you clownin'?
(We're at the point in the thread where I can't tell anymore.)
Wait ... you liked the Avengers?
:lol Nick, I was just jiving. I met Nolan once at a party, never have I pitched or anything like that to him. How could I - Goyer is his "go to" guy.
And Hell YES I liked Avengers - Scarlett jumping around in that skin tight outfit - there was some other stuff going on I'm sure. I think Thor was there and a guy in a hat - but the Black Widow had me riveted!
And Nick - you look like Toby Maguire in that sig pic - you're all sideways and everything.
And everyone - please excuse my use of the words "jivin" and "riveted" - I've been watching a lot of episodes of Good Times lately.
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